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On February 01 2011 04:53 Shinta) wrote:
Artosis compares top players to tier top players, not himself, thus if he says one person SUCKS SO BAD he's really saying 'many MVP could beat this guy with absolutely no problem whatsoever'. Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking.
Anyways Artosis is a pretty bad mannered player, I have many friends who beat him and he did nothing but troll flame after he found out he had lost. Putting this aside, Artosis is extremely knowledgeable about the game, so like a coach he knows he should have done x to win and that his opponent shouldn't have won, but a person needs to learn some self restraint... especially when he's bashing someone who has only shown good manners to him.
I disagree with Artosis' bashing, he had no right to do it but since he's American and he has bad mannered people watching his cast he will be supported for saying stupid shit that he has no right to say. I still like Tastosis' casting but Artosis really has no reason and no right to bash half of the peope he bashes, it just doesn't make sense because he ends up saying a lot of false information about individual players.
Ya I agree with this. I'm fine with some of the "drama" he causes, but I wish it wasn't always such a biased perspective. If someone is acting cocky and is begging to be the center of attention by being the bad guy then it is reasonable, but when a player like MKP plays very well with his aggressive style that Artosis does not agree with, he ends up talking down on one of the best Terran players.
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On February 01 2011 05:22 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 04:53 Shinta) wrote:
Anyways Artosis is a pretty bad mannered player, ... Now you mention that, is it just me, or did Artosis seem rather displeased with the fact he wasn't the only foreigner providing content of the code A qualifiers. I did only see a part of Carefoot's stream though and nothing was explicit, so i might be wrong on this one.
Maybe word got through that Carefoot called him a (?)dick(? something like that.).
I know I wouldn't take too kinly to that either.
Or it's Artosis being Artosis.
But I can't imagine he'd be pissed about something like that, he should be happy 
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Tho I have my opnions about artosis (and most of them are agreeing with that incontrol comments youtube video...) I still want to know alicia is on that means st_bomber is definitely out ?
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Just to be fair for Artosis, he has been casting all the games and still managed to qualify for GSL 1.
Whether if he is bad mannered or not, we should be grateful that Artosis put his time and effort to cast the games and record all the footage in the qualifiers. Well, he also does some youtube commentary on few games too. For me, those hard works seem to outweigh all the so called "bad mannered" casting.
Anyway, congrats to Huk, Haypro, Ret, and Moonglade.
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On February 01 2011 07:17 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 05:22 Shorack wrote:On February 01 2011 04:53 Shinta) wrote:
Anyways Artosis is a pretty bad mannered player, ... Now you mention that, is it just me, or did Artosis seem rather displeased with the fact he wasn't the only foreigner providing content of the code A qualifiers. I did only see a part of Carefoot's stream though and nothing was explicit, so i might be wrong on this one. Maybe word got through that Carefoot called him a (?)dick(? something like that.). I know I wouldn't take too kinly to that either. Or it's Artosis being Artosis. But I can't imagine he'd be pissed about something like that, he should be happy
Oh lol, didn't know that. :p
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On February 01 2011 05:22 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 04:53 Shinta) wrote:
Anyways Artosis is a pretty bad mannered player, ... Now you mention that, is it just me, or did Artosis seem rather displeased with the fact he wasn't the only foreigner providing content of the code A qualifiers. I did only see a part of Carefoot's stream though and nothing was explicit, so i might be wrong on this one.
Quality over quantity, I always say.
Anyways.. Both gave us coverage, so even though Carefoot's was, at times, lower quality, it was good for people to be able to see live stuff. I prefer Artosis' though; it's much more professional.
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I feel like I've searched pretty adequately for it, but no luck. Anyone know whether the 8man tournament for LiveForever's Code S spot that's happening in a few hours will be streamed/casted?
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On February 01 2011 08:31 pollisand wrote:
I feel like I've searched pretty adequately for it, but no luck. Anyone know whether the 8man tournament for LiveForever's Code S spot that's happening in a few hours will be streamed/casted?
I doubt it, unfortunately. If it's online, I'll see if I can stream Liveforever's games, but I also highly doubt that's the case.
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GSL March
Code S
15 : :
8 : :
9 : :
Code A
13 ::
13 ::
6 ::
Total
28 :: (44%)
21 :: (33%)
15 :: (23%)
Sad month for protoss ,Good month for terran, normal month for zerg.
I still think that scrap station is preventing a lot of good protoss players from qualifying in code A.
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How did this turn in to an artosis manner discussion lol ! Id like to congratulate huk ret and haypro, its definitely deserved. On a side note  who the heck is moonglade Is he from broodwar?
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On February 01 2011 08:56 darmousseh wrote:GSL March Code S 15 : : 8 : : 9 : : Code A 13 : : 13 : : 6 : : Total 28 : : (44%) 21 : : (33%) 15 : : (23%) Sad month for protoss ,Good month for terran, normal month for zerg. I still think that scrap station is preventing a lot of good protoss players from qualifying in code A.
Where are our future toss heroes? Sad day indeed. I need a hero toss for sc2 (lol)
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On February 01 2011 09:08 sLiMpoweR wrote:How did this turn in to an artosis manner discussion lol ! Id like to congratulate huk ret and haypro, its definitely deserved. On a side note who the heck is moonglade Is he from broodwar? Undisputed king of the SEA server.
MoonGlade
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why did ret get back in i would prefer torch over him his Code A matches were disappointing.
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On February 01 2011 09:58 skrzmark wrote:
why did ret get back in i would prefer torch over him his Code A matches were disappointing.
he's a higher ranked player than Torch.. and personally I think Ret just had bad games. He's better than Torch.
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How do you know that he's better then torch without them playing head to head
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On February 01 2011 10:36 skrzmark wrote:
How do you know that he's better then torch without them playing head to head
People generally assume that they are able to make general assessments about players' skill by watching them play. If they played head to head, they would only find the victory in that one game, and view play from only that one matchup. Skill has to be assessed over a variety of games in all of the matchups that they play.
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Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking.
The thing is, Artosis gives just as much praise to great players when they show that they deserve it. Have you heard him talk about Clide? Nestea? Jinro? IdrA? Tester? etc etc. Most of the time I think he is basically bang on with any criticisms/praise that he has, and I'm thankful for his honesty.
Anyway, think of it from his perspective: to the foreigner community, he is essentially the face of the GSL (Tasteless too) - a tournament which is supposed to represent the very best players in the world and thus host some of the most awe-inspiring games. With that in mind, wouldn't you feel embarrassed, a little [/i]angry[i] even, to cast games like LittleBoy vs ButterflyEffect? Especially given the fact that he has 12 years of playing and understanding this game behind him, and yet he is forced to see new players come here and make extremely basic mistakes.
As far as I'm concerned, the only 2 players he has ever actually 'flamed' are BitByBit and Choya, both of whom deserved it in my opinion. BitByBit for being the epitome of what SC2 SHOULDN'T be, and Choya for fluking his way into Code S off poorly executed 4 gates and other low-skill high-reward builds.
Bitter and jealous are just blatant exaggerations. Sounds like you've just convinced yourself that he's worse than he is.
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On February 01 2011 10:58 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking. The thing is, Artosis gives just as much praise to great players when they show that they deserve it. Have you heard him talk about Clide? Nestea? Jinro? IdrA? Tester? etc etc. Most of the time I think he is basically bang on with any criticisms/praise that he has, and I'm thankful for his honesty. Anyway, think of it from his perspective: to the foreigner community, he is essentially the face of the GSL (Tasteless too) - a tournament which is supposed to represent the very best players in the world and thus host some of the most awe-inspiring games. With that in mind, wouldn't you feel embarrassed, a little angry[i] even, to cast games like LittleBoy vs ButterflyEffect? Especially given the fact that he has 12 years of playing and understanding this game behind him, and yet he is forced to see new players come here and make extremely basic mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, the only 2 players he has ever actually 'flamed' are BitByBit and Choya, both of whom deserved it in my opinion. BitByBit for being the epitome of what SC2 SHOULDN'T be, and Choya for fluking his way into Code S off poorly executed 4 gates and other low-skill high-reward builds. Bitter and jealous are just blatant exaggerations. Sounds like you've just convinced yourself that he's worse than he is. [/i]
Yes, I have heard him give so much praise to so many players "xxxx is SOOOO GOOOOOOOD" and then that player gets completely rolled in the games to come....
I'm not saying that he should only stop his bashing, I'm saying he should stop making such opinionated comments that he has no idea about.
Anyone can say "IMNesTea is SUCH a good player" and get away with it, but when anyone, no matter how experienced, sees 1 game from a player and then starts to make extremely judgmental statements, he's going to be wrong quite often. For professionalism's sake, he should stop making so many ridiculous comments about how a player is GOING to perform or how good a player's skill is going to be for the rest of his life (I know he doesn't really say that, but with the way he goes on and on about all his prediction statements, it sure does sound like that's what he thinks).
What he should continue doing is making his good in-game comments. Yes he does have really good experience with sc2 and pro gaming in general, and he's very knowledgeable about the scene and the game, but its just proper caster etiquette that he needs to become more aware of. Saying things like "oh that was a great move by tester, you know he's really shown that he's good at things like that from his past games" or "oh that was a poor move by Choya, he hasn't really been able to get his game together in this GSL season." or even "that was a poorly executed battle from BitbyBit, he hasn't been able to show us any good play so far, I wonder how he got this far into the tournament".
To say "Choya SUCKS SO MUCH HE SHOULD NOT EVEN PLAY THIS GAME, HE'S ABOUT TO GET PWNT SO HARD" (exaggeration yet pretty darn accurate) and then Choya rolls his opponent, is just embarrassing. Commenting on your rebuttal, however, saying things like "Clide is such a good player, he's probably the one of the top 3 Terrans in sc2 right now, I have a feeling he's going to have a very easy time in this coming match" and then Clide loses 0-2, is also embarrassing.
These are things a professional caster should not say. These are things a professional caster should learn not to do...
On the subject of him being angry to cast BitbyBit vs Butterfly Effect, THAT'S HIS JOB. DERP. If you're at work and an idiot of a customer walks in and asks you stupid questions, do you tell him he's an idiot and he should read the sign before he talks to you again? NO! You do your job and don't complain, that's what you get paid for. He's a GSL caster, so he casts GSL games, that is it. He's not an exclusive caster for NesTea MVP MKP and MC, so he needs to learn to deal with his reality.Trying to justify ANYTHING with such a stupid excuse is unacceptable and should be unheard of.
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On January 31 2011 16:14 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 15:40 Orome wrote:
Who he made fun of a lot in his Code A match ironically. A commentator can criticize a player without being able to beat him of course, but Artosis might want to tone down the ridiculing of players that are better than him. ...it's not like Artosis is suggesting that he deserves to be in Code A...as a commentator, it's his job to criticize players in relation to how good other pros are, not how good he is...if that weren't the case, his commentary would be nothing but praise for all the players there, and that's not good commentary. Artosis may not be as good, but knows enough to be able to criticize the players, and as the "analyst" it's his job.
There's a difference between criticizing and ridiculing a player.
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