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On January 31 2011 16:14 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 15:40 Orome wrote:
Who he made fun of a lot in his Code A match ironically. A commentator can criticize a player without being able to beat him of course, but Artosis might want to tone down the ridiculing of players that are better than him. ...it's not like Artosis is suggesting that he deserves to be in Code A...as a commentator, it's his job to criticize players in relation to how good other pros are, not how good he is...if that weren't the case, his commentary would be nothing but praise for all the players there, and that's not good commentary. Artosis may not be as good, but knows enough to be able to criticize the players, and as the "analyst" it's his job.
Doesn't change the fact that Artosis is overly arrogant and cocky from time to time, despite his qualities as a commentator and entertainer. I like his general style and I couldn't imagine anyone else besides Tasteosis doing the GSL casts. But from time to time I wish something would humble Artosis when he's once again trash-talking a player or acting as if he could easily outplay folks whose strategies he doesn't agree with.
Tasteless does a much better job in being a "diplomatic" commentator. This ofc means he sometimes delivers less drama and entertainment than Artosis does. But it also means I've never wanted Tasteless to get pounded by one of the players he's just been bashing.
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On January 31 2011 18:04 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 16:14 DystopiaX wrote:On January 31 2011 15:40 Orome wrote:
Who he made fun of a lot in his Code A match ironically. A commentator can criticize a player without being able to beat him of course, but Artosis might want to tone down the ridiculing of players that are better than him. ...it's not like Artosis is suggesting that he deserves to be in Code A...as a commentator, it's his job to criticize players in relation to how good other pros are, not how good he is...if that weren't the case, his commentary would be nothing but praise for all the players there, and that's not good commentary. Artosis may not be as good, but knows enough to be able to criticize the players, and as the "analyst" it's his job. acting as if he could easily outplay folks whose strategies he doesn't agree with.
No. he has never done that. he's talking in relation to other gamers in the tournament ofc
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Are these all the qualifications or is there more rounds/sets to come?
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Hrm so Losira took out Puzzle? Well, he's a legit beast in his own right so I guess that's not so bad =p
I shall just presume whoever Bomber lost to is going to be someone to keep an eye on in Code A too, though I'm still a little disappointed =(
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On January 30 2011 10:18 motbob wrote:Significant Players Who Let Slip That They're Probably Casting Code A: TorcH
Oh baby oh baby!
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it seem a lot of the people that dosen't like artosis are european and a lot of people that actualy like artosis bashing the players are american. i think it's a matter of culture difference.
personaly i like artosis comments on players. if a player play poorly the caster must say it. if a player always play poorly the caster can say it. it's not like he's saying that he could won the gsl easly if he wanted to, he just saying that some players are bad.
if a pro say another player is bad it mean he think he can beat him easly.
if a spectator/observer say a player is bad it mean "comparing to the others players in this tournament, this one is bad". i'm sure a lot of you think "damn that was a very bad decision he just done" or "omg what a bad micro just now!" but i don't think you think a second you can beat the player in question.
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It's amazing system! Yes, yes they all good, but!
This way they have to give 100% in every match or they know they can easily end up in Code A in addition this kind of motivation will make sure level of game will be raised much more!
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On January 31 2011 18:04 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 16:14 DystopiaX wrote:On January 31 2011 15:40 Orome wrote:
Who he made fun of a lot in his Code A match ironically. A commentator can criticize a player without being able to beat him of course, but Artosis might want to tone down the ridiculing of players that are better than him. ...it's not like Artosis is suggesting that he deserves to be in Code A...as a commentator, it's his job to criticize players in relation to how good other pros are, not how good he is...if that weren't the case, his commentary would be nothing but praise for all the players there, and that's not good commentary. Artosis may not be as good, but knows enough to be able to criticize the players, and as the "analyst" it's his job. Doesn't change the fact that Artosis is overly arrogant and cocky from time to time, despite his qualities as a commentator and entertainer. I like his general style and I couldn't imagine anyone else besides Tasteosis doing the GSL casts. But from time to time I wish something would humble Artosis when he's once again trash-talking a player or acting as if he could easily outplay folks whose strategies he doesn't agree with. Tasteless does a much better job in being a "diplomatic" commentator. This ofc means he sometimes delivers less drama and entertainment than Artosis does. But it also means I've never wanted Tasteless to get pounded by one of the players he's just been bashing.
I prefer someone with a little personality and, yes, ego to a generic mute that is more concerned with propriety and placating the hyper-sensitive mouthbreathers watching the stream than being real.
ANYWAY, can't wait for next season. It would be great to see more foreigners make their way to Code S
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Out of the foreigners, who qualified directly and who got seeded? Didn't they say they were going to seed 4 foreigners into Code A? I take it Artosis didn't get qualified? Nothing on his twitter
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You think the korean casters don't laugh and poke fun at the code a players? Im not sure because i of course can't speak korean but it would be hard to believe that they didn't ^^
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On January 31 2011 23:32 storm8ring3r wrote:
Out of the foreigners, who qualified directly and who got seeded? Didn't they say they were going to seed 4 foreigners into Code A? I take it Artosis didn't get qualified? Nothing on his twitter
The only four foreigners who qualified are seeded.
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Huk, Ret, Haypro, Moonglade are the ones seeded in Code A because of the invitation they announce.
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i noticed also artosis's 'bashing' of some players. who is he to do that? i think there's also the risk in it breeding contempt in some viewers. i remember he did the same thing in bw. it seemed like whenever he talked about players who he perceived as not being in the A class of foreigners, he did so derisively. i think he needs to give that a rest for sc2.
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does this mean st_bomber is out ?
so many people say he is a beast ...
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On January 31 2011 15:40 Orome wrote:
Who he made fun of a lot in his Code A match ironically. A commentator can criticize a player without being able to beat him of course, but Artosis might want to tone down the ridiculing of players that are better than him.
The point is, kkoma suicided his units into siege tanks. A lot. And that is a pretty obvious mistake.
If Artosis was Terran, he'd just have to make some tanks and he'd have won easily. Yes, that's an exaggeration.
Besides, they went 2-1 afaik, so he's not really that much worse.
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On January 31 2011 21:20 zeross wrote:
it seem a lot of the people that dosen't like artosis are european and a lot of people that actualy like artosis bashing the players are american. i think it's a matter of culture difference.
personaly i like artosis comments on players. if a player play poorly the caster must say it. if a player always play poorly the caster can say it. it's not like he's saying that he could won the gsl easly if he wanted to, he just saying that some players are bad.
if a pro say another player is bad it mean he think he can beat him easly.
if a spectator/observer say a player is bad it mean "comparing to the others players in this tournament, this one is bad". i'm sure a lot of you think "damn that was a very bad decision he just done" or "omg what a bad micro just now!" but i don't think you think a second you can beat the player in question.
Culture plays a big role in this, atleast in Finland people are usually too humble to a fault and I think you are right, that you really have to take Artosis's comments on players skill compared to average Code S players. Of course many of the Code A players would be capable of winning some of the many online tournaments and cups available in Europe, but since there is like only GSL in Korea it makes it kinda hard for Code A players to win anything.
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Artosis compares top players to tier top players, not himself, thus if he says one person SUCKS SO BAD he's really saying 'many MVP could beat this guy with absolutely no problem whatsoever'. Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking.
Anyways Artosis is a pretty bad mannered player, I have many friends who beat him and he did nothing but troll flame after he found out he had lost. Putting this aside, Artosis is extremely knowledgeable about the game, so like a coach he knows he should have done x to win and that his opponent shouldn't have won, but a person needs to learn some self restraint... especially when he's bashing someone who has only shown good manners to him.
I disagree with Artosis' bashing, he had no right to do it but since he's American and he has bad mannered people watching his cast he will be supported for saying stupid shit that he has no right to say. I still like Tastosis' casting but Artosis really has no reason and no right to bash half of the peope he bashes, it just doesn't make sense because he ends up saying a lot of false information about individual players.
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On February 01 2011 04:53 Shinta) wrote:
Anyways Artosis is a pretty bad mannered player, ...
Now you mention that, is it just me, or did Artosis seem rather displeased with the fact he wasn't the only foreigner providing content of the code A qualifiers.
I did only see a part of Carefoot's stream though and nothing was explicit, so i might be wrong on this one.
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I think it was in the up/down matches when john finally said "they are better than you" to which Artosis replied "no they aren't". I think he actually believed that too. Still, it must be frustrating for a player like him who analyses the game so much (maybe a bit too much sometimes with his assumptions of what does and doesn't work) to see players make very basic mistakes and still accept they are better than you must be hard too.
That said Artosis does a fantastic amount of good things for us like these qualifying vods maybe we should focus on that a bit more.
Anyway I am pleased he didn't make it because he would have taken the opportunity to troll us again and use it as an example of how much easier Protoss is and to lose to a player he called bad is even better. Just joking Artosis :p.
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