EPT[GSL] Up and Down Matches Groups G and H - Page 63
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
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Shindou
United States120 Posts
Also tasteless' secret hallway / tasteless build = STOP ALREADY. It was tough to see Leenock lose, but in worst case scenario it'll mean getting (almost) a guarantee to watch a lot more of his games - assuming he'll go far in code a. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
I don`t understand the need to constantly harp and mock on the younger players and bring such a negative vibe. Despite how "bad" they are, there they are still competing and that is all you can ask for. They aren`t arrogant about it. And lets be serious both Artosis and Tasteless aren`t even as close to good as these "bad" players. Through the blind hate for LiveForever they missed the total fake out he did to Leenock, letting him intentionally scout a factory which was later cancelled and led to Leenock not being prepared when the push came. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On January 28 2011 10:39 Shindou wrote: Completely agree with the sentiment of Artosis needing to calm down. It's 100x worse during games with Jinro, ret, etc... And sure bad play should be pointing out, but coming off like a kind of condescending asshole when he hasn't qualified for a GSL yet is really annoying. Also tasteless' secret hallway / tasteless build = STOP ALREADY. people need to be less serious about all this. i love their commentary and i think i would watch way less gsl if anyone else would cast it. | ||
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ranjutan
United States636 Posts
On January 28 2011 10:39 Shindou wrote: Completely agree with the sentiment of Artosis needing to calm down. It's 100x worse during games with Jinro, ret, etc... And sure bad play should be pointing out, but coming off like a kind of condescending asshole when he hasn't qualified for a GSL yet is really annoying. Also tasteless' secret hallway / tasteless build = STOP ALREADY. It was tough to see Leenock lose, but in worst case scenario it'll mean getting (almost) a guarantee to watch a lot more of his games - assuming he'll go far in code a. FYI, Artosis did qualify for GSL1. He lost in the round of 64 to NexFreeSaga (who?) so I don't think he's really shown anything that impressive, but still it's worth mentioning, since what you said isn't actually true. :< | ||
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Shindou
United States120 Posts
I think the informal commentary is really funny - I'm just saying the tasteless hallway/tasteless build/john the translator hallway is getting old. It was really funny at first but its the same thing over and over. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On January 28 2011 10:40 mango_destroyer wrote: Whoever made Code S in these up and down series, deserve it. It is not a case of a best of 1 and if the players who lost were truly code S, they should have won. Leenock had 2 series to stay in code S but he failed in both. I don`t understand the need to constantly harp and mock on the younger players and bring such a negative vibe. Despite how "bad" they are, there they are still competing and that is all you can ask for. They aren`t arrogant about it. And lets be serious both Artosis and Tasteless aren`t even as close to good as these "bad" players. Through the blind hate for LiveForever they missed the total fake out he did to Leenock, letting him intentionally scout a factory which was later cancelled and led to Leenock not being prepared when the push came. Sure if you want to base an indication of skill on one series.. while the rest of us base it on a cumulative amount of games - but sure whatever works for you  | ||
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GT
Korea (South)141 Posts
On January 28 2011 10:34 imbs wrote: cant believe people are complaining about tastosis... at all. the notion that they are somehow hampering esport growth with a lack of professionalism is just absurd. they are easily the best sc2 casters around, and are actually entertaining on their own. if anything gsl would lose a bunch of viewers if they got rid of tastless n artosis. they were totally right about nexliveforever too, the guy doesn't belong in code s at all. random terrible terrans doing better than they should with all-ins isnt anything new. agreed, what makes esports grow is how accessible it is and its accessible because its a fun laid back community. they arent anchors on ESPN for god sakes, they are just 2 average joes that love starcraft, let them be themselves and stop trying to pick them apart. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
Leenok simply got overconfident (e.g. making banelings in the terran's base in set1) and deserved to lose. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
Yeah, I was laughing at Tasteless and Artosis's jokes but normal people just aren't going to take StarCraft seriously if the official spokespeople talk like that about the talent. It would be fine for them to point out his mistakes and say his strategies aren't going to work and make comments about the poor quality of his play. However, mocking the guy and calling him names and that sort of nonsense is just not acceptable behavior from anyone who takes their job and esports seriously. It is just one more thing that confirms stereotypes that the general public hold about professional video game players: they're just a bunch of kids or adults with stunted maturity who are playing at being competitive. Can you imagine Day[9] talking about somebody like that? Tasteless and Artosis need to realize that they are the face of professional esports for most of the world. They keep asking me to tell all my friends about the GSL but then they speak internet acronyms and then just rain crap all over the players. My normal friends would think I had linked them some guy's YouTube channel - they'd never guess these were the two premier commentators in a professional organization. I really like Tasteless and Artosis and if nerds are the only people they want to watch them (excluding me, of course...ahem), they're doing wonderfully but if they are actually serious about legitimizing and popularizing esports with the general public, they really need to act in a more professional manner. Plus, talking like that and then having LiveForever take the series just made them look like boners. | ||
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biscop
United States4 Posts
As for everyone griping about more newbie-accessible, professional casts: All commentaries assume some base level knowledge from the viewer. Otherwise, the commentary would be hopelessly tedious for higher level viewers. You don't see ESPN commentators explaining how many points you get for a touchdown and field goal, respectively, at the start of every football game. A good commentator might pick out a beginner concept to discuss every now and then (and Tastosis does a decent job of this too), but that's not how people learn the game. Usually, someone is initiated to a new sport by their friends, who explain all the ins-and-outs and why the sport is so much fun to watch. Get on it. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
As far as commentary it is fine and people who think ESPN commentators are not critical of players haven't watched alot of sports. They tend to tone it down a ton in college sports since they are amateur athletes not getting paid; but in professional sports like the NFL they call players out for doing stupid or bad things all the time. Tasteless is doing 10x better this season not just agreeing with artosis on every point since he is not obsing now. The bad games are great because of the commentary despite the poor show of skill, take that away and nobody wants to watch those games. They have never personally insulted someone they only insult their ability to play SC2. The people complaining seem to want casters with no personality and just analysis which is definitely not the way professional sports are covered in the western world. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On January 28 2011 12:42 biscop wrote: Tasteless and Artosis deliver personality and solid insight in their commentaries -- there's no way I would have watched these Group H matchups except for the entertainment I expected from Tastosis. Some criticism is warranted, and hopefully they continue to get better, but this thread is getting out of hand with the negativity -- let's not spoil a good thing. As for everyone griping about more newbie-accessible, professional casts: All commentaries assume some base level knowledge from the viewer. Otherwise, the commentary would be hopelessly tedious for higher level viewers. You don't see ESPN commentators explaining how many points you get for a touchdown and field goal, respectively, at the start of every football game. A good commentator might pick out a beginner concept to discuss every now and then (and Tastosis does a decent job of this too), but that's not how people learn the game. Usually, someone is initiated to a new sport by their friends, who explain all the ins-and-outs and why the sport is so much fun to watch. Get on it. No one's griping about them not being newbie accessible, they're complaining about them shitting on the players they're casting, which I agree with. As a caster you cast the game, you point out mistakes, and you do criticize the play, but you don't call the players childish names and just shit on them in general. I just wish Artosis (it's not Tasteless so much as he just mimes whatever Artosis says) would cut back on the bashing and do more actual casting. I had to turn it off last night because Artosis in general is such an annoying geek the way he casts crushing on the players he prefers constantly talking up about how genius their play is all the while ignoring or shitting on the other player. I'm glad someone brought up the factory fake by LiveForever, it was a brilliantly strategic play, which Artosis didn't even catch. Instead he's just like "oh man LiveForever is so bad he left his supply depot down lol!" and completely missed the cancel. Is he really doing what he's supposed to be doing there? It doesn't make it any better that Artosis is constantly cracking jokes about the players and making fun of them right in front of their faces during the interviews. Give the players some respect, they won their games fair and square. They don't deserve to be lampooned by Artosis. And fuck every time I hear Artosis say roflstomp out loud I cringe, I thought only twelve-year-old halo kids said stuff like that. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
No one's griping about them not being newbie accessible, they're complaining about them shitting on the players they're casting, which I agree with. As a caster you cast the game, you point out mistakes, and you do criticize the play, but you don't call the players childish names and just shit on them in general. I just wish Artosis (it's not Tasteless so much as he just mimes whatever Artosis says) would cut back on the bashing and do more actual casting. I had to turn it off last night because Artosis in general is such an annoying geek the way he casts crushing on the players he prefers constantly talking up about how genius their play is all the while ignoring or shitting on the other player. I'm glad someone brought up the factory fake by LiveForever, it was a brilliantly strategic play, which Artosis didn't even catch. Instead he's just like "oh man LiveForever is so bad he left his supply depot down lol!" and completely missed the cancel. Is he really doing what he's supposed to be doing there? It doesn't make it any better that Artosis is constantly cracking jokes about the players and making fun of them right in front of their faces during the interviews. Give the player some respect, he won his games fair and square. They doesn't deserve to be lampooned by Artosis. Clearly you have not watched a Detroit Lions game in the last few years. I remember before the Colts got Manning they were showing on TV in-between snaps fans who wore a paper bag over their head to the game and the commentators thought it was funny. People getting paid to do something and performing horrible and not giving good games SHOULD be lampooned. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On January 28 2011 10:51 bkrow wrote: Sure if you want to base an indication of skill on one series.. while the rest of us base it on a cumulative amount of games - but sure whatever works for you Where do I base skill off of one series? Sure Leenock may be more skilled there is no denying that, but he obviously failed today and doesn`t deserve to be in code S. Unfortunately being in code S isn`t based on overall performance. | ||
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Sniffy
Australia290 Posts
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GP
United States1056 Posts
Clearly you have not watched a Detroit Lions game in the last few years. People getting paid to do something and performing horrible and not giving good games SHOULD be lampooned. Wow, good call, I don't live in Detroit, or care about the Lions! But I don't get the comparison. I thought both San and LF brought some decent games, and they definitely don't deserve to be lampooned. And though I don't watch the Lions, I've never seen a sports caster make fun of the winning team like a pre-pubescent teen after they won, and certainly not during an interview. | ||
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