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Personnal predictions : Bleach (aka ZeNEXByun) should roll over FOXLyn 2-0. TvT can be a bit random sometimes, but Bleach is by far the better sc2 player in my opinion.He will not be out of place in code S. oGsTOP vs sCfOu is more close, but TOP has more experience both in the booth and in difficult matches, he wins 2-1.
How to watch:
Official GOM Stream
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Ugh, Terran everywhere...
Lyn, TOP, gogo~
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Bleach, defeater of the God of War Zerg, vs Lyn, the WC3 legend?
oGsTOP vs sC?
Here's hoping for some Code S level play from these Code A players.
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yea sucks all tarren. maybe we could get good matches though
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Bleach and Top are easily code S material. Sc too perhaps. Lyn seems to be the "weakest", I look forward to the up and down matches, THAT will be exciting.
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I just pray these will be code A matches that don't make me facepalm the entire night.
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More base trades plz. 
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Well, seems that Terran players are on fire (or imba *duck*)!
Code A Round 4 -> 4 T
Code S Round 4 -> 3 T, 1 Z
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They should have done 1 Code A match followed by 1 Code S match on each day of the ro8, rather than put the 2 matches people want to see on 1 day and then 2 no one gives a fuck about on another.
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Code A Quarter-finals are BO3
source:http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2556892
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Why some of the bad attitudes? Top and Byun both looked really decent in their quarterfinal matches, and TvT can be pretty entertaining (like anyone watching last night should know :-p). Anyways, hoping for some good and varied play tonight.
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On January 20 2011 17:51 yypisces wrote:
Code A Quarter-finals are BO3
source:http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2556892
yes they were bo3.
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On January 20 2011 17:52 dormer wrote:
Why some of the bad attitudes? Top and Byun both looked really decent in their quarterfinal matches, and TvT can be pretty entertaining (like anyone watching last night should know :-p). Anyways, hoping for some good and varied play tonight.
I think bleach vs lyn will be very onesided, but TOP vs sC could be good, and closer in skill.
Stream is up btw.
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2 TvTs after the awesome games we saw yesterday, could be boring. I might just watch MSL, or I'll watch both.
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On January 20 2011 17:49 Geisterkarle wrote:
Well, seems that Terran players are on fire (or imba *duck*)!
Code A Round 4 -> 4 T
Code S Round 4 -> 3 T, 1 Z
Thank you, no one has pointed this out before.
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Lyn looks like the weakest of these 4 players.
TOP vs sC could be close. Although I see TOP coming through. TOP is easily Code S material
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On January 20 2011 17:54 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 17:49 Geisterkarle wrote:
Well, seems that Terran players are on fire (or imba *duck*)!
Code A Round 4 -> 4 T
Code S Round 4 -> 3 T, 1 Z Thank you, no one has pointed this out before.
Exactly, this is nothing new. The semifinals have always had at least 2 T, and that was only once.
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I feel this is going to be rather one sided, TOP and especially Byun are simply better than their opponents.
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I appreciate their apology, more so because they actually brought it up and didn't just ignore the problem.
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if Bleach is a Terran then why on liquidbet he looks like a P ?!
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Am i the only one who still doesn't have a clue how this format works?
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On January 20 2011 18:03 ffswowsucks wrote:
if Bleach is a Terran then why on liquidbet he looks like a P ?!
He used to play P. Back in GSL Season 1. He was actually the guy who took out Artosis iirc.
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Stream doesn't seem to be working.
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On January 20 2011 18:03 ffswowsucks wrote:
if Bleach is a Terran then why on liquidbet he looks like a P ?! He used to be P player.
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On January 20 2011 18:03 ffswowsucks wrote:
if Bleach is a Terran then why on liquidbet he looks like a P ?!
He was P in previous seasons, but is 10x better as a T.
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I normally hate TvT matchups. But at least that means the games are most likely going to go on longer than just Marine/SCV allins.
...Hopefully.
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On January 20 2011 18:03 netherDrake wrote:
Stream doesn't seem to be working.
Working for me >_<
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On January 20 2011 18:03 ffswowsucks wrote:
if Bleach is a Terran then why on liquidbet he looks like a P ?!
He was a P before (he made one or two GSL open as a protoss iirc). He switched to T with his new alias, NexExcrement :D
edit : burned 10 times :o
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Terran sausage-fest incoming, it's all good though.
I'm thinking Top will win and hoping for Lyn to win as well, most importantly though is hopefully good games will be shown.
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Top will gain so much respect from me if he follows through on his Artosis interview to pick out Fruitdealer in the up and down matches.
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what was the song playing while introducing the players? It's a pretty raw voice, sounds a bit like Lordi
EDIT: it was Hardcore Superstars - Guestlist
google helps.
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On January 20 2011 18:06 Moragon wrote:
Top will gain so much respect from me if he follows through on his Artosis interview to pick out Fruitdealer in the up and down matches. If he does that and beats FD he is a total boss, but if he loses to him TOP would look like an idiot.
Though to be honest I think that TOP is the better player so he could as well pull it off.
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On January 20 2011 18:04 Moragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:03 ffswowsucks wrote:
if Bleach is a Terran then why on liquidbet he looks like a P ?! He was P in previous seasons, but is 10x better as a T.
2nd this, he's looking very impressive so far, he dominated July pretty hard and has looked very solid in most of his other match ups
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Wonder what they'll do when code S will be 60%+ Terran after the up and down matches. Terrancraft 2 indeed.
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No kills by sC's 2 hellions but did soften up a lot of scv's.
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Did anybody else see the supply depot building for sc just zoom to finish? 
Is that supply calldown?
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TvT is probably the best matchup to watch in SC2 atm heh
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sC's banshee does slightly more damage then Tops.
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Top very smart with moving the marine at front which took the first few shots instead of his tanks which was what he needed to get out of the contain, also his cloaked banshee gets a few scv's. Things are looking good for him.
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That is a very very late expansion for sC with nothing to really justify it.
edit: that was not a smart move by TOP.
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Can't unsiege all your tanks...
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Wow, ToP blew his lead so badly with a silly attack into sieged tanks.
And when you lose the viking fight...just get a thor?
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TOP still ahead in scv oO
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Top surprisingly holds and loses a ton of scv's but still has MORE then his opponent sC.
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What is with the "shnarf"
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lol snarfing is going to become a Starcraft-centric term at this rate
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And if you're going to bumrush tanks you need stimmed marauders, not marines.
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On January 20 2011 18:21 Dionyseus wrote:
And if you're going to bumrush tanks you need stimmed marauders, not marines. Yeah, marines just melt to the ground when there's lot's of tanks in play.
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On January 20 2011 18:21 rebdomine wrote:
What is with the "shnarf"
Look who doesn't have a childhood.
TOP's macro is getting ahead of sC's atm.
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Did TOP just take sC's gold base? LOL
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TOP macro is surprisingly subpar, usualy all he does is macroing like a zerg =)
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Is there some trick I'm missing about how to actually do a contain? Why didn't TOP just toss up like 2-3 Turrets to limit the effect of those Vikings...
Or build 2 more CCs and use the mules to eat splash while you run in...
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Poll: Recommend TOP vs sC game 1 ?Yes (13) 42% No (12) 39% If you have time (6) 19% 31 total votes Your vote: Recommend TOP vs sC game 1 ? (Vote): Yes
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Wow i did not expect TOP to take that one. Well done!
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Two snarfs don't make a right <3
Too good :D
On January 20 2011 18:21 rebdomine wrote:
What is with the "shnarf"
I believe it's a thundercat reference: Snarf Wiki
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On January 20 2011 18:22 rebdomine wrote:
Did TOP just take sC's gold base? LOL
No. The gold base TOP took is easier to defend.
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On January 20 2011 18:22 rebdomine wrote:
Did TOP just take sC's gold base? LOL He had it for a little while, sC never scouted it which is not good.
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On January 20 2011 18:22 rebdomine wrote:
Did TOP just take sC's gold base? LOL
Manner base
And, actually, that Gold is probably easier to hold of the 2 golds, given the ramp to the Main ramp to the bases.
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haha, holycrap that whole game looked like a joke I told yesterday while drinking with my friends...
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Someone tell TOP he got a dead animal on his chair!
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I opened up this game just in time to watch both of them do a fail push into sieged tanks. -_-
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On January 20 2011 18:23 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:22 rebdomine wrote:
Did TOP just take sC's gold base? LOL No. The gold base TOP took is easier to defend.
Yea that was Top's gold, the one at the top would have been SC's.
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lol, Tasteless said *snarf* as the announcer said scfou
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On January 20 2011 18:23 Vorenius wrote:Two snarfs don't make a right <3 Too good :D I believe it's a thundercat reference: Snarf Wiki
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On January 20 2011 18:22 LoLAdriankat wrote:Look who doesn't have a childhood. TOP's macro is getting ahead of sC's atm.
Not my fault I don't get references to a show that aired when I wasn't even born yet.
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lol @ artosis deadpanning while Tasteless is insinuating most of Code A are too used to all-inning to build and control SCV's properly >_>
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wait what series did tastosis say was better than the leenock and clide game?
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Both players are getting blue-flame upgrades, probably drops.
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With all the Snarf references this needs to be posted:
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On January 20 2011 18:25 Asha` wrote:
lol @ artosis deadpanning while Tasteless is insinuating most of Code A are too used to all-inning to build and control SCV's properly >_>
You noticed that too? I cracked up a little but figured it was just me - hard to see their expressions well on SQ :-p
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Oh, look at that, someone has had to play against Jinro a lot I see.
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Honestly their commentating makes this tournament x100 better. So funny/witty.
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They keep on hittng on code a-players and hype code s-players. Artosis literally said that Nada played brilliantly yesterday even though he was terrible. They use double standards imo.
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Tastosis completely failing to mention that sC sees TOP's drop going out with an scv because they are busy making a TERRIBLE joke... yeah, gj. Made me kinda angry.
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TOP didn't have enough APM to manage a banshee and blue-flame hellion drop at the same time while getting banshee harassed himself.
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Top tries to look pro with the drop but ends up losing the dropship and looking like a fool.
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So I learned how to make gifs
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sC's harassment was supremely superior to tops, non-cloak banshee racks several kills whereas Tops cloak banshee does nothing. Also Tops hellion drop failed miserably.
Edit: Just now Top tried with blue-flame hellions again and was much more successful this time around, got over 10 scv kills.
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Lol, a night of Code A TvT's... yawn >_>
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Lol it turns out sC maxes out his worker production queues.
So far this game looks like a huge slap fight. 15 game minutes in and barely 2 bases for both players.
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On January 20 2011 18:34 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Lol it turns out sC maxes out his worker production queues.
So far this game looks like a huge slap fight. 15 game minutes in and barely 2 bases for both players.
You mean Top, he has like 5 SCVs queued for each cc.
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On January 20 2011 18:36 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:34 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Lol it turns out sC maxes out his worker production queues.
So far this game looks like a huge slap fight. 15 game minutes in and barely 2 bases for both players. You mean Top, he has like 5 SCVs queued for each cc.
Oops yeah. These guys play almost identically to each other that I get their names confused, except one has better macro.
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it apparently works for Top
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On January 20 2011 18:37 udgnim wrote:
it apparently works for Top
Indeed, doing a great job of keeping himself in the game with all that SCV production on way or another.
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Yeah TOP macro is not good today, usualy his macro is his strong point (like vs Banbans)
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I can't believe Top is more ahead in this game, either his macro is crazy good or sC sucks... maybe both? Heard Tasteless mention atrocious macro for sC.
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LOL one max queues SCVS and one doesn't produce any.
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Top : «I'm the better macro player. Period.».
sC : «Who needs macro ?»
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Nothing made sense in that game.
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TOP had so many scvs all game but never had an army o.o
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Poll: Recommend TOP vs sC game 2 ?No (17) 57% If you have time (11) 37% Yes (2) 7% 30 total votes Your vote: Recommend TOP vs sC game 2 ? (Vote): Yes
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On January 20 2011 18:38 mr_tolkien wrote:
Top : «I just lost the game.».
FYP
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Bad time to push out, caught by an overwhelming force in a tight choke with nowhere to go.
Think SC kind of deserved that for how good his early harass was.
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And Top still managed to lose
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On January 20 2011 18:39 Awesomeness wrote:FYP
I edited it like 1s later :p
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Terrible Terrible Macro... I don't understand how you can fail your macro under 100 food. But, making scv's isn't everything of course.
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Wow even with the better economy Top manages to lose. SC seems to be better at harass.
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lol the code A thread is so dead compared to code S threads hahaha
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I'm curious to know how the up and down matches are going to be filled.
Anyone knows if there's a draw or already a set system of the brackets of the up and down matches?
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On January 20 2011 18:39 Integra wrote:
Nothing made sense in that game.
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well.. its all terran ,, its like watching a civil war all over again.
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Man if scfOu makes it through to code S he wont make it far with macro like that. Then again ogsTop has made some meh decisions as well, though he seems to be the better of the two if only by a slight margin.
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still such a huge difference between S and A
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TOP has a nice grandma fur coat on his chair.
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lol...so obvious that Tastosis couldn't care less about these games.
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On January 20 2011 18:40 iGX wrote:
lol the code A thread is so dead compared to code S threads hahaha
At least I can watch the code A games live. Always got to look at the bright side of life.
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On January 20 2011 18:40 Dionyseus wrote:
Wow even with the better economy Top manages to lose. SC seems to be better at harass.
He prob just didn't realize his scv lead, since he shouldn't have that advantage if his opponent had actually constantly made scvs.
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On January 20 2011 18:40 iGX wrote:
lol the code A thread is so dead compared to code S threads hahaha
Code A is entertaining for all the wrong reasons tbh.
The difference between A and S really can't be put into words.
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On January 20 2011 18:41 Corrupted wrote:
lol...so obvious that Tastosis could care less about these games.
Well, it's good that GOMTV is looking to hire casters for code A.
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On January 20 2011 18:40 iGX wrote:
lol the code A thread is so dead compared to code S threads hahaha
not a whole lot of excitement for these series lol, two TvTs all that is on the line is picking your up and down match opponent (don't get me wrong thats huge for the players but not much for the spectators). Honestly I'm watching because I have nothing better to do and thats it as I hate watching TvT.
On January 20 2011 18:42 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:41 Corrupted wrote:
lol...so obvious that Tastosis could care less about these games. Well, it's good that GOMTV is looking to hire casters for code A.
As I said above its hard for anyone to care about the games but the players its more of a fluke that the final 4 are all T.
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Someone has to ask TOP if he quite understands how seige tanks work... He lost the last bit because he didn't seige up at where his rocks used to be. He saw sC moving down... why did he go back and forth like that...
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Lion containment facility, ahahahahaha.
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sC going blue-flame hellion, Top going marines and tanks.
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Hahaha artosis mentioning DMZ. I guess he has been travelling in Korea.
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On January 20 2011 18:43 KashmirAZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:40 iGX wrote:
lol the code A thread is so dead compared to code S threads hahaha
not a whole lot of excitement for these series lol, two TvTs all that is on the line is picking your up and down match opponent (don't get me wrong thats huge for the players but not much for the spectators). Honestly I'm watching because I have nothing better to do and thats it as I hate watching TvT.
Jinro, Nada, Boxer, Marineking or MVP in TvT is fun as hell. These guys... not so much.
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I thought queuing up SCVs was considered bad macro, not good macro lol
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that was nice SCV splitting by TOP
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By the way, TOP scv split against bfhellions in game 2 was very nice.
And just now in game 3 too.
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On January 20 2011 18:45 Resolve wrote:
that was nice SCV splitting by TOP
my god, tasteless makes so many mistakes.
is it that hard to remember who is playing and what colors they are?
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TOP just used that F1 spread someone came up with here. He sent nearly all of his SCVs in split direction. That's sweet.
Now if TOP just learns to use his army better...
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On January 20 2011 18:45 itch wrote:
I thought queuing up SCVs was considered bad macro, not good macro lol
Yeah...I guess it's considered good when compared to your opponent who is making none.
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"Look at this sick spread by MC" while another drop goes down in TOP's main, but TOP still maintains scv lead.
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did tasteless just say "Look at the sick spread by MC"?
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On January 20 2011 18:45 itch wrote:
I thought queuing up SCVs was considered bad macro, not good macro lol
It is bad macro. At most you want 2 in queue but never more.
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On January 20 2011 18:45 itch wrote:
I thought queuing up SCVs was considered bad macro, not good macro lol
I guess queuing is better macro than not making any scvs
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This is sad seeing sC not constantly producing SCVs... it's one thing to make a snarf move and attack sieged tanks but it's another to make a silver league macro mistake.
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On January 20 2011 18:47 canilsen wrote:
did tasteless just say "Look at the sick spred by MC"?
He misspoke.
People do that sometimes when they're required to talk for hours every day.
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On January 20 2011 18:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Someone has to ask TOP if he quite understands how seige tanks work... He lost the last bit because he didn't seige up at where his rocks used to be. He saw sC moving down... why did he go back and forth like that...
Half his tanks would've been dead by the time he sieged and the rest would get 1 volley before getting killed. He was trying to save 1-2 tanks rather than loose all and only kill a few rines/dmg a few tanks.
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On January 20 2011 18:46 MrCon wrote:
By the way, TOP scv split against bfhellions in game 2 was very nice.
And just now in game 3 too.
Yup, did a very good job of minimising losses, those blueflame drops are scary!
(and come on tasteless, pick it up a bit and at least get the players names right eh)
TOP looks like he's in command of this game right now, decent economic advantage at this stage.
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No Artosis hellions are pretty much useless in tvt except for worker harassment
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On January 20 2011 18:47 Jacuzzi wrote:
This is sad seeing sC not constantly producing SCVs... it's one thing to make a snarf move and attack sieged tanks but it's another to make a silver league macro mistake. Yeah, I kind of have the same problem but my excuse is being in gold league, not having good scv production in Code A is pathetic.
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hellion drop fails... so bad, didn't kill ANYTHING
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The official stream not working and restreams being banned all over sure makes me want to buy a season ticket!
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ouch -.- TOP loses his whole army bunching up at the xelnaga tower
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On January 20 2011 18:49 Resolve wrote:
hellion drop fails... so bad, didn't kill ANYTHING
And lost the drop with 3 hellions inside
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Rofl, no matter how many battles sC wins he's always behind in food count, good god his macro sucks.
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Nice , TOP was using his marines (moving up and down) to tank tanks shots
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Wtf these two play really sloppy today. Leaving half of your army at enemy's tower? Unsieged? Rly?
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Top should just turtle up and let his superior macro get him the win
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lol @ SC rallying hellions to Top's expo. Top just standing there killing hellions for free wondering what's going on
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so many wasted helions in this match
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TOP is owning now - - sc just threw away 5 more hellions... TOP macro looking good
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sC should use the secret way with his hellions.
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Several hellions sacked for no gain, really bad loss for sC.
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LOL TOP dropped 3 manner mules
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3 manner mules, ouch, big diss
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And he didn't kill him off...
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3 more wasted hellions... sc looks like hes suiciding into TOP
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Poll: Recommend TOP vs sC game 3 ?If you have time (22) 48% No (20) 43% Yes (4) 9% 46 total votes Your vote: Recommend TOP vs sC game 3 ? (Vote): Yes
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Hurray! Nice job TOP. Go earn that match against Sanzenith!
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These players need to come up with unique disses somehow. Mules are already played out.
Edit: vv Yeah I think the last one was to repair.
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The last mule could have been to repair the tank, too - or so I thought, didn't assume it was a manner mule. The first three accomplished that well enough :-p
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Tasteless not realising he was using the mules for repair.
First ones were to repair the almost dead banshee and the last the tank
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SC seems to have really poor macro for a player who competes on this level.
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I'm sorry but i don't have the time to check the whole thread so why is TOP vs sC the first match for today ?
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hahhaha I laughed so hard at the manner mule by scfou. I mean, what? Get out!
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On January 20 2011 18:55 Elwar wrote:
These players need to come up with unique disses somehow. Mules are already played out.
Edit: vv Yeah I think the last one was to repair.
Agreed. /dance is terribly underused in the GSL.
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Lmao, maybe he thought MULEs would do dmg when the landed on the ground. jkjk
TOP rolled in that game.
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On January 20 2011 18:56 lacho_u wrote:
I'm sorry but i don't have the time to check the whole thread so why is TOP vs sC the first match for today ? In the official Gom website, that is what it lists. OP did it upside down.
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aww yeah, NexExcrement vs lyn
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On January 20 2011 18:56 CScythe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:55 Elwar wrote:
These players need to come up with unique disses somehow. Mules are already played out.
Edit: vv Yeah I think the last one was to repair. Agreed. /dance is terribly underused in the GSL.
Jinro, if you're reading this, please do this to MKP.
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You know, I think Code A is getting worse as we go up...
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Tastosis are so desperate for someone else to cast code A...they are giving it like 10% today.
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On January 20 2011 18:56 lacho_u wrote:
I'm sorry but i don't have the time to check the whole thread so why is TOP vs sC the first match for today ?
Dunno, I used the calendar list, usualy it's right
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On January 20 2011 18:57 Yrq wrote:
aww yeah, NexExcrement vs lyn
Byun should probably win going away, as it seemed like he had solid Macro.
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On January 20 2011 18:58 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
COD GRACK OPS lol.
so good lol
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Ahahaha CODgrackOps, never stop making me lol.
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On January 20 2011 18:58 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:56 lacho_u wrote:
I'm sorry but i don't have the time to check the whole thread so why is TOP vs sC the first match for today ? Dunno, I used the calendar list, usualy it's right Use the Gom website for 100% consistency.
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What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win?
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win?
The winners of today got to choose their code S opponents, and got a little more money (not much, they have like 700$ for ro4, and the winner got 1400$)
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win? A chance to get into Code S.
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has anyone done "Welcome Grack Cotter"?
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win?
I think it's money, and if you go far enough (you need RO8 to play the up 'n down matches), you also get the right to choose who you will be playing in the up and down matches.
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win?
Top2 get to choose their opponents for the regulation matches.
So Top gets to choose his opponents or atleast a group/bracket first or second if he wins or not.
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win?
more money, and the top two get to pick their up/down groups (A.K.A. don't have to take on Fruitdealer).
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On January 20 2011 17:54 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 17:49 Geisterkarle wrote:
Well, seems that Terran players are on fire (or imba *duck*)!
Code A Round 4 -> 4 T
Code S Round 4 -> 3 T, 1 Z Thank you, no one has pointed this out before.
btw. the MSL (so SC:BW) Round 8 has 5 Z, 3 P and 0 T; so it is even
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win?
The champion gets around $1340 and the option to choose his opponent for the Code S up and down matches.
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Terrible GG timing from a zerg in MSL :D
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On January 20 2011 19:01 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win? The champion gets around $1340 and the option to choose his opponent for the Code S up and down matches.
You mean, "gets to choose sanZenith" >_>
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Tasteless always says code A games are not good, even when they are (sometimes)
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On January 20 2011 19:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:01 Telcontar wrote:On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win? The champion gets around $1340 and the option to choose his opponent for the Code S up and down matches. You mean, "gets to choose sanZenith" >_>
Who knows? If TOP wins code A he might want revenge against FD. I seriously doubt he will though.
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On January 20 2011 19:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:01 Telcontar wrote:On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win? The champion gets around $1340 and the option to choose his opponent for the Code S up and down matches. You mean, "gets to choose sanZenith" >_>
hahaha, yeah I was going to type that but blanked on his name.
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Seeing how average TOP's TvT is, I think Bleach will win code A against him.
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On January 20 2011 19:03 MrCon wrote:
Tasteless always says code A games are not good, even when they are (sometimes)
he repeats everything artosis says, nothing new.
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death note rulez
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nah, not Kira, more like Ryuk, especially the way he smiles so broad.
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On January 20 2011 19:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Byun = Kira?
He kind of looks like Light does when he is writing in the Death Note.
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Everyone starting to wear leather grackets
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Is it just me, or does it seem like there's some slight animosity with Artosis against Tasteless today?
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Artosis is right, he has that L-ish posture
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On January 20 2011 19:04 Liveon wrote:
nah, not Kira, more like Ryuk
Hahah i can see it. Someone give him an apple, i need to make sure.
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On January 20 2011 19:03 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:On January 20 2011 19:01 Telcontar wrote:On January 20 2011 18:59 Neivler wrote:
What are they even fighting for now?
What does the code A players win? The champion gets around $1340 and the option to choose his opponent for the Code S up and down matches. You mean, "gets to choose sanZenith" >_> Who knows? If TOP wins code A he might want revenge against FD. I seriously doubt he will though.
that would be very entertaining, I was joking to a friend about people maybe not wanting to ease their way into code S but do it in a flashy way, but with that much money on the line I severely doubt that unless they are extremely confident D:
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its the way he sits, nerdback + hair
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On January 20 2011 18:59 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:58 MrCon wrote:On January 20 2011 18:56 lacho_u wrote:
I'm sorry but i don't have the time to check the whole thread so why is TOP vs sC the first match for today ? Dunno, I used the calendar list, usualy it's right Use the Gom website for 100% consistency.
Yeah I'll do that if I have to make another GSL thread (didn't especialy want to make it today, but saw there was none 30mn before the games so I made it)
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I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best.
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Oh Artosis, you so silly.
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He does look a bit like Ryuk.
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I know, Shit was leaning forward towards the screen, like the Ubermind from Death Note.
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On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best.
one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me.
Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon.
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On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon.
For me, Death note is not even close to the best.
Why did they censor Byun again?
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On January 20 2011 19:05 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 18:59 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On January 20 2011 18:58 MrCon wrote:On January 20 2011 18:56 lacho_u wrote:
I'm sorry but i don't have the time to check the whole thread so why is TOP vs sC the first match for today ? Dunno, I used the calendar list, usualy it's right Use the Gom website for 100% consistency. Yeah I'll do that if I have to make another GSL thread (didn't especialy want to make it today, but saw there was none 30mn before the games so I made it) Just a friendly tip, thank you for making the thread btw!
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On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon.
Code Geass was amazing, the ending made me sad
Lyn doesn't seem to understand the game as well as Byun does, but both players have alot of potential to be really good code S players
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On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again?
because it means 'shit' in korean. Pretty sucky if that's your last name xD
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On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again?
Because it sounds like "shit" in korean.
Seems like bleach loves shit, as he is NexExcrement on ladder :o
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On January 20 2011 19:08 Liveon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again? because it means 'shit' in korean. Pretty sucky if that's your last name xD
LOLOLOL, why is his ID like that then? To some random korean it'd probably be a funny name lolol.
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On January 20 2011 19:09 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:08 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again? because it means 'shit' in korean. Pretty sucky if that's your last name xD LOLOLOL, why is his ID like that then? To some random korean it'd probably be a funny name lolol.
it's his last name, a lot of progamers put their name in their ID (or part of it):
SSKS (Seo ki su (don't know how to write it ))
MC (Ming Chul)
Sangho (his actual name)
SC (initials)
Byun (his actual name)
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look how this thread is now an anime discussion which is why don't want to have 4 terrans again -.- yawn
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I always wondered what the first s in sSKS stood for, actually. =P
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On January 20 2011 19:11 Liveon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:09 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:08 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again? because it means 'shit' in korean. Pretty sucky if that's your last name xD LOLOLOL, why is his ID like that then? To some random korean it'd probably be a funny name lolol. it's his last name, a lot of progamers put their name in their ID (or part of it): SSKS (Seo ki su (don't know how to write it )) MC (Ming Chul) Byun (his actual name)
Then why not just say it? "Because it sounds close to 'shit' " seems pretty immature :S
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On January 20 2011 19:12 DarkRise wrote:
look how this thread is now an anime discussion which is why don't want to have 4 terrans again -.- yawn
Its because artosis mentioned that bleach looks like someone from death note. lol
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lyn forgot to get stim t.t.
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Lyn went combat shield first instead of stim, doesn't make sense when he wants to do drops.
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On January 20 2011 19:13 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Lyn went combat shield first instead of stim, doesn't make sense when he wants to do drops.
Probably thought he pressed stim.
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Wow Byun uses way too much scans imo.
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On January 20 2011 19:14 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:13 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Lyn went combat shield first instead of stim, doesn't make sense when he wants to do drops. Probably thought he pressed stim. Makes sense.
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On January 20 2011 19:13 Cocoabean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:11 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:09 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:08 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again? because it means 'shit' in korean. Pretty sucky if that's your last name xD LOLOLOL, why is his ID like that then? To some random korean it'd probably be a funny name lolol. it's his last name, a lot of progamers put their name in their ID (or part of it): SSKS (Seo ki su (don't know how to write it )) MC (Ming Chul) Byun (his actual name) Then why not just say it? "Because it sounds close to 'shit' " seems pretty immature :S
It sounds exactly the same. The word also has the same characters but just different meanings. I guess it just doesn't pass the korean censors.
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Ouch lyn, lost soo much lol
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Poor positioning by Byun, and floating that CC to the middle makes no sense.
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Lyn with a big lead now, kills Byun's CC and some tanks.
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Wow, TOP disapoint, Bleach disapoint, I'm not good at predictions :o
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On January 20 2011 19:18 MrCon wrote:
Wow, TOP disapoint, Bleach disapoint, I'm not good at predictions :o
At least TOP ended up winning =/
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They're both losing soo much stuff, I can't tell whose winning.
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Someone needs to make Ghosts + 3 Ghost Academies, just to show how you're supposed to TvT on Xel`Naga!
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Someone please, PLEASE tell these terrans to siege their tanks.....
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This game is action-packed, I feel awake now after the slumberous Top games.
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wow units are melting all over the place...
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Marine spreads by Lyn are very good here. Definitely taking out seige tanks he shouldn't be.
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oke, didn't expect that. Hoping for a comeback now.
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Didn't expect that, but he played pretty well.
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Lyn was good at knowing when he could bumrush sieged tanks in XNC. I guess Byun needed to protect his tanks more, perhaps adding marauders with concussive shells would help against Lyn's bumrushing.
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So, when is someone going to use Planetaries + range boost to hold important positions. I think it'd be far more cost-effective than a lot of these bad marine trades.
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On January 20 2011 19:09 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:07 Gao Xi wrote:On January 20 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:On January 20 2011 19:05 Gao Xi wrote:I disagree on the notion that Death note is one of the best. one of the best, yeah, the best? Not by far. Code Geass is the best for me. Think Byun is going to take this series with ease, wasn't impressed by Lyn's play against Moon. For me, Death note is not even close to the best. Why did they censor Byun again? Because it sounds like "shit" in korean. Seems like bleach loves shit, as he is NexExcrement on ladder :o
Its actually his real family name.
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What was the joke? Why did the beep out the 2nd part of the first guys name?
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Moon vs Lynn was such a bad game.
Glad to see Lynn picked his game up.
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And even Tastosis were enjoyable this game, because they hadn't enough time to talk as much nonsense as in the first match.
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Lyn played like he was facing a zerg, always denying the third even if he looses a lot of units doing so. Meanwhile expanding all over the map. Decision making wasn't always the best but looking at the other wc3 players, he is the best by far.
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"We have a barracks here, brought to you by Sony Ericsson". They're getting better at this plug thing, lol.
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On January 20 2011 19:27 Ghorgh wrote:
And even Tastosis were enjoyable this game, because they hadn't enough time to talk as much nonsense as in the first match.
Yea, I find it better when they're talking about the game, instead of random stuff. SDM and tasteless was a good combo.
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That was a good first game, lots of action everywhere and some nice moments from both guys =)
Lyn seems to have really stepped up for this one.
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Tasteless & Artosis sounding like the Neighbour from plants vs zombies xD
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lol, Artosis is sooooooooo bored while commentating code A
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Byun should have double expanded with this build, it's perfect for that.
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On January 20 2011 19:29 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:27 Ghorgh wrote:
And even Tastosis were enjoyable this game, because they hadn't enough time to talk as much nonsense as in the first match. Yea, I find it better when they're talking about the game, instead of random stuff. SDM and tasteless was a good combo.
Agree about SDM and Tasteless. They have overdone it only in the infamous 'monkey milk' game.
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it blows my mind how little they care about actually casting code a
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On January 20 2011 19:33 cyprin wrote:
it blows my mind how little they care about actually casting code a
hilarious though
I guess it could be funny, but its not for me.
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I notice Byun making marauders now, Lyn shouldn't be able to bumrush tank lines anymore
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Bleach tries to be MVP/MKP, but he's not =)
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If Lyn controls his tanks properly he will have a good chance here.
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Wow, an hour and a half later, we're only 14 pages in. I guess no one really cares. :|
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Well its TvT, and it doesn't have MKP so... probably pretty standard stuff.
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Byun saves his third cc at the last second
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On January 20 2011 19:37 Zaka wrote:
Wow, an hour and a half later, we're only 14 pages in. I guess no one really cares. :| It's not very surprising, Code A games generally just flat-out suck, lot's of people make sacrifices to be able to stay up and watch Code S games let alone something as low priority as this.
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Lyn's army looks way bigger than Byun's.
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I liked the snarf thing at first now its starting to bug me lol
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Lyn doing a great job of reacting to drops before they can happen with his sensor towers.
next time I heard "snarf" I'm going to scream
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On January 20 2011 19:40 Artanias wrote:
Snarf snarf, lol xD
And Tastosis said: "First, it's funny. Then you use it so much, it's not funny anymore. Then you use it so much, that it actually gets funny again."
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that was nice from Byun... he got this game
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Lmao that was actually pretty sick
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some very convincing play by byun there, shows what he is capabe of. Too bad he doesnt play like that all the time
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Too bad bio only has a chance on like cross position meta : /
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Hmm, my gom stream crashed, and i can't seem to get it back.
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I knew adding marauders would give Lyn's marine-heavy style a hard time. Also that was some bad sieging by Lyn in this game.
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On January 20 2011 19:41 Demoralized Monkey wrote:And Tastosis said: "First, it's funny. Then you use it so much, it's not funny anymore. Then you use it so much, that it actually gets funny again."
So true!
Also that was a nice move by Byun, sniping the natural while dropping in the main, good stuff, enjoy the match!
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it works on cross position meta, shakuras, xel naga caverns. it's basically playing tvt like a zerg. mass expanding and abusing mobility, trading armies for tanks.
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Many many tanks are not the way to go in TvT. Seems like you aren't mobile enough.
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These two both look a step above Top/SC. I'm expecting the winner here to take it.
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On January 20 2011 19:47 Kettchup wrote:
These two both look a step above Top/SC. I'm expecting the winner here to take it.
Agreed.
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here we go lol, bitbybit warcry
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On January 20 2011 19:44 Deadlyfish wrote:
Too bad bio only has a chance on like cross position meta : /
Totally dissagree, i like that the bio ball is a valid strategy in TvT still, but it shouldnt be valid on all maps and all situations. Its good for getting map control on big maps to either finish of the opponent with brute force or tech up. If bio ball was good on small maps aswell TvT would just be bio v bio drop v drop. That would be make the matchup boring to play and watch imo.
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BiiiitByyyyBiiiiiiiiiiiiiiT!
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Lyn had to add vikings against bio, so he can siege far before bio stims and run, and kills a lot of medivacs.
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Oh god... nice games until now, and then Lyn does this... god i hope Byun takes this game.
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game goes on lol, both sides lost a lot of SCVs
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On January 20 2011 19:46 boboyo wrote:
it works on cross position meta, shakuras, xel naga caverns. it's basically playing tvt like a zerg. mass expanding and abusing mobility, trading armies for tanks.
It doesnt work on xel'naga. Just siege tanks at natural and nothing the bio player can do. It only works on maps with lots of room, and multiple attacks paths. Meta cross is best, shakuras is ok aswell.
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Lol, that's awesome. 6 scvs vs 4 scvs @ 6 minutes into the game.
Reset!
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LOOOL nice defense. Reset button!
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"Fucking cheesy newbie."
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Lol, it's funny how the all-in fails and then both players pretty much reset the game with the low scv count.
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Is it weird that I like it when this stuff happens? Draws out the game longer a lot of times and makes it more interesting in general to me
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Oh no, not another all in....
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what the heck i don't understand that, just play on and it will become a standard game but lyn goes in again and just suicides into a bunker
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/me is happy now, go Byun!
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Eat that Lyn! My LB prevails!!!!!
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Stupid stupid attack. -_-
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Serves Lyn right for doing marine+scv all-ins.
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Not everyone can be MKP and win...........
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I don't really get this. If Lyn had just kept his SCV at home after the initial marine attack, wouldn't he be miles ahead? Now he just sacked his SCV advantage by attacking a bunker
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well after that first game it seemed like lyn had this series but Byun toughed it out and came out on top. Good stuff.
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Lyn just threw that last game away
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Yay, the cheeser loses!
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im so glad lyn lost attempting to do an all in
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I don't think Lyn realized how even they were after that SCV mass murder exchange. So he all-in'd twice and lost.
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Why the hell would he go for it after he got scouted by that SCV on the way to the base for the 3rd all in?
He might have stood a chance if he didn't do that
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On January 20 2011 19:51 Resolve wrote:
what the heck i don't understand that, just play on and it will become a standard game but lyn goes in again and just suicides into a bunker
They didn't know how many SCVs each were down to. Lack of information.
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On January 20 2011 19:51 KudosX wrote:Is it weird that I like it when this stuff happens? Draws out the game longer a lot of times and makes it more interesting in general to me Just a little bit man.
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Byun showing some Solid defence vs the all in, I think he deserves his spot in the finals and his match with TOP may even be rather good =)
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On January 20 2011 19:50 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 19:46 boboyo wrote:
it works on cross position meta, shakuras, xel naga caverns. it's basically playing tvt like a zerg. mass expanding and abusing mobility, trading armies for tanks. It doesnt work on xel'naga. Just siege tanks at natural and nothing the bio player can do. It only works on maps with lots of room, and multiple attacks paths. Meta cross is best, shakuras is ok aswell.
xnc does have multiple attack paths... 4 down the middle and the secret hallway. if the tank player camps the natural that's fine just take some more bases. All it takes is one good flank when they move out.
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HAhahaha
Artosis: Isn't that tomorrow?
Tasteless: (thinks) yes, it is!
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Tomorrow will be the Code A finals between Top and Byun. Code S games at 2pm KST, Sunday.
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superfail by lyn, he could've easily had the third set if he just executed his cheese better.
waiting a quick 3-0 win by top, probably the only guy in code a who proved he's code s material with good chances of making it out of the ro64 next season too.
july and byun are proibably get into code s too since they're much better than some of those playing the up-and-down matches, but they didn;t show the same level of play as top did for sure
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So what if he didn't know whether he was behind or not, he knew there was a bunker at the top of the ramp.
He knew he had been scouted.
He would have been better cutting his losses and trying to play straight up rather than going for another all-in up a ramp against a bunker.
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Pretty awesome games tonight, can't wait for the finals!
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We need to know that name!
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FapHappy :D LOL!
And the name after was so bad Artosis wouldn't even read it... I wonder what it was
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diarrhea fit was the name, assuming nobody else posted that question
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I hope we get to find out that name!
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remembering back to when john started and seeing him now really shows the improvement hes made in his translations :D great work john
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lol, i don't find it that bad :D
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On January 20 2011 20:00 Robje wrote:
diarrhea fit was the name, assuming nobody else posted that question TBH, if anything faphappy is worse then that.
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The names that merely try to be funny are getting a little dry. But oh well, at least the interviews themself are still good.
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On January 20 2011 19:50 hoppipolla wrote:"Fucking cheesy newbie."
Dayum nice pic
But on a side note - are SCII's maps just too small? I've been watching OSL/MSL replays and the maps seem to be a little bigger? Not too sure. And how come 1 major battle in SCII ends the game pretty much, whereas in Korean Brood War there tends to be a war of attrition in most match ups etc.
Just voicing my opinion, any thoughts?
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That's excatly why the GSL considers introducing new (larger) maps for future seasons. This has been discussed at great length on almost every sc2 community site
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Well...Terrans gonna Terran I guess, I love how dead this thread is.
Anyhow, Tasteosis seems to hate casting Code A so much...but I feel like I won't even be able to stomach watching it without them Lose/Lose.
Oh, and I'm ignorant of Korean, but is there a difference between Byun and Byung, like Song Byung Goo? Or is Byung Goo actually just Byun Goo? o.O
EDIT: Or it could be a tone thing, like Chinese?
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Code-A games are like an addictive drug, they're so god awful, but you still wanna watch it.
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Is the finals a bo7? Seems a little redundant to have such a long match with the semis being only a bo3. I would think a bo5 makes more sense.
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On January 21 2011 00:34 zerious wrote:
Code-A games are like an addictive drug, they're so god awful, but you still wanna watch it.
I don't
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/Goes back to making NesTea posters.
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From the GOMtv interview comments :
JagRunCarSnowPen is pronounced the same as "Jag runkar snoppen" that in Swedish basically means "I stroke the cock"
Oh god, he got trolled so hard and he never knew it :D
Edit : Refering to a name Artosis read in the Byun interview.
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The byun/lyn series was very good imo.
One thing that really bothers me about those two casting, besides them going off on long tangents, is that their enthusiasm and quality of casting is dependent on how hyped they are for a certain match. It can be a match with a couple of big name players and all of a sudden they have more in depth analysis and less tangents. They also seem to get more excited during battles. A lot of the times these games aren't even all that interesting and yet they're more enjoyable to watch because the quality of casting is so much better.
Now take last night's series between lyn and byun. There were a lot of awesome battles back and forth between the two players and the matches were very close. I thought those games were some of the best I've seen on the GSL, besides the cheese obv, yet the quality of casting was crap because they didn't really give a fuck about the match. I think it could have been more enjoyable to watch if the casting matched the quality of the games.
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Anyhow, Tasteosis seems to hate casting Code A so much...but I feel like I won't even be able to stomach watching it without them Lose/Lose.
I can't wait until they get new casters for Code A that actually care and make the games more enjoyable to watch.
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