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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
January 07 2011 18:38 GMT
#1601
I am the greatest infinity! (cardinality of N21, etc.)
Official Entusman #21
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
January 07 2011 18:39 GMT
#1602
On January 08 2011 03:20 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 21:31 rebdomine wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:29 shannn wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:28 ZapRoffo wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:27 Moragon wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:25 Asha` wrote:
Regarding the fairness of the format, you have to also consider that there is some seeding involved in who plays who in the first matches.

Currently we're seeing some great players match up against each other in the first games, but this should improve to make more consistant match ups once Code S stabilizes and there isn't so much fluctuation in terms of who performed well way back in season 1 and who is still good right now.


Correct, IncA had more points from ro8 season 1 and ro16 season 2 than Nada ro8 season 2. So Nada was thrown at the MC shark.

What about San, did he have more than Nada?

He was last.
It's 1st seed vs 3rd and 2nd vs 4th.
NaDa was 3rd in his group.


Doesn't this end up being more favorable to be the 4th seed? I don't get it. Why not go 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3.


because ranked 1-8 are 1st seed, 9-16 are 2nd seed and the rest are randomly drawn into seed 3&4 (based on the point here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/S-class#S-Class) not 17-24 as seed 3 and 25-32 as seed 4

thats why we have ImMVP (28) and JookTo (32) as seed 3&4 in group B and and Check (18) and idRa (22) as seed 3&4 in group F

so its just bad luck(?) for Nada to be drawn as 3rd seed where San got the 4th seed

Yes it's due to the draws for seeds 3 and 4. You can be rated 18th and still end up as the lowest seed in your greep if the 3rd seed is 17th. So the only one you can blame is NaDa for picking such a group and end up as 3rd seed rather than 4th.

A good example of such bad luck would be Group D.
A Rain (6th)
C Kyrix(16th)
B Choya (17th)
D Tester(19th)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
January 07 2011 19:16 GMT
#1603
On January 08 2011 03:31 GP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 01:13 Sky101 wrote:
Was it just me or was Nada's play not very impressive at all? He basically expands a lot, makes alot of units, then attack. That works on a certain level, but when facing oGsMC, he failed miserably because MC had a much better unit composition that easily countered Nada's very basic army. And I question multiple times when he decided to engage oGsMC's army when it looked obvious judging from army size and composition that he can't take them head-on like that.

Anyway, I was however thoroughly impressed with July's games. Very strategically played, great decision making, and awesome to watch overall.

He's a macro player, that's what he does. Your description of Nada can be applied to Idra or Ret (except counter-attacking rather than attacking) and they're considered two of the best. His decision making is pretty good, while his first attack on MC I think was intentionally timed to wipe out all of the sentries before any Collossi arrived and it really hurt MC and likely delayed his push. MC just controlled the game. I was actually really impressed with Nada's play against Inca and Inca's first game was sick. I think if Inca improves his mechanics he could vie for one of the top Protoss spots. His build order was brilliant, and I think if he didn't attack up the ramp during the contain he might have won.

No I don't think his decision making was good at all in several instances. I managed to catch the games (vs oGsMC and 1 game vs Inca) and I was screaming in my head many times "What the hell are you doing?" before the many times he decided to attack and terribly failed within seconds. If I could have guessed the outcome of those skirmishes, so should Nada, and if he did, well, then, you saw what happened.

I never said anything about him not being one of the best, if anything I acknowledge him as the most successful and most consistent BW player of ALL TIME. In fact I was such a fan of his before seeing the games today, and I was terribly disappointed. Even though he made it through his group, I was not impressed at all.

I guess that's why I prefer to watch players like SlayersBoxer and JulyZerg, whose innovations are ahead of their time. They don't have to win games to win my heart and support.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
January 07 2011 19:17 GMT
#1604
NaDa you just made my Day.

NaDa Hwaiting. TORNADO TERRAN
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zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
January 07 2011 19:20 GMT
#1605
Awesome matches by NaDa.

Btw. I have question about Premium Acces ( gomtv ). Is that possible, to watch HD Live by 2 ppl from 1 account ? ( I have premium acces, but my friend dont, and i want to give him acces to my acc )

Is there a ban for this, or its legal ?
I'm getting the derection.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
January 07 2011 19:29 GMT
#1606
Just say game 1 of Jully Zerg

+ Show Spoiler +
Crazy mind games going for the fake hatch and building a bling nest on that left over creep
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Tsabo
Profile Joined September 2010
Russian Federation266 Posts
January 07 2011 19:30 GMT
#1607
NaDa was awsome, and MC beating him in a macro game was very inspiring for me to stick with protoss.
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
January 07 2011 20:24 GMT
#1608
July's game 2 reminded me that we haven't seen any marine/scv allins thus far in the code S tournament. I wonder if the Bo1 format actually detracts from all-in play to some degree.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
January 07 2011 20:31 GMT
#1609
On January 08 2011 03:20 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 21:31 rebdomine wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:29 shannn wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:28 ZapRoffo wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:27 Moragon wrote:
On January 07 2011 21:25 Asha` wrote:
Regarding the fairness of the format, you have to also consider that there is some seeding involved in who plays who in the first matches.

Currently we're seeing some great players match up against each other in the first games, but this should improve to make more consistant match ups once Code S stabilizes and there isn't so much fluctuation in terms of who performed well way back in season 1 and who is still good right now.


Correct, IncA had more points from ro8 season 1 and ro16 season 2 than Nada ro8 season 2. So Nada was thrown at the MC shark.

What about San, did he have more than Nada?

He was last.
It's 1st seed vs 3rd and 2nd vs 4th.
NaDa was 3rd in his group.


Doesn't this end up being more favorable to be the 4th seed? I don't get it. Why not go 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3.


because ranked 1-8 are 1st seed, 9-16 are 2nd seed and the rest are randomly drawn into seed 3&4 (based on the point here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/S-class#S-Class) not 17-24 as seed 3 and 25-32 as seed 4

thats why we have ImMVP (28) and JookTo (32) as seed 3&4 in group B and and Check (18) and idRa (22) as seed 3&4 in group F

so its just bad luck(?) for Nada to be drawn as 3rd seed where San got the 4th seed

Correct, but it's not bad luck for Nada. The 3rd seed is still easier (in theory) to advance from than the 4th.

The 3rd seed has two possible matchups depending on how the group unfolds. Either he plays everyone once or he plays 1st once and 2nd seed tiwce to determine who moves on.

The 4th seed on the other hand plays everyone or 1st seed twice and 2nd seed once.

So overall it works out to be a pretty fair system
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
January 07 2011 20:48 GMT
#1610
lol everyone overreacts to july's baneling nest location. the thing is, terran wasn't even able to scout the hatch going up, nor did he scan july's main either. it actually made no difference..making the nest in his main would have saved him resources. or hiding the baneling nest elsewhere on the map would have achieved the same avoid-scan effect. the only reason you'd put it at your natural would be to first let him see the hatch, drive away/kill the scv, then cancel it and make baneling nest.
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 07 2011 20:55 GMT
#1611
On January 08 2011 04:16 Sky101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 03:31 GP wrote:
On January 08 2011 01:13 Sky101 wrote:
Was it just me or was Nada's play not very impressive at all? He basically expands a lot, makes alot of units, then attack. That works on a certain level, but when facing oGsMC, he failed miserably because MC had a much better unit composition that easily countered Nada's very basic army. And I question multiple times when he decided to engage oGsMC's army when it looked obvious judging from army size and composition that he can't take them head-on like that.

Anyway, I was however thoroughly impressed with July's games. Very strategically played, great decision making, and awesome to watch overall.

He's a macro player, that's what he does. Your description of Nada can be applied to Idra or Ret (except counter-attacking rather than attacking) and they're considered two of the best. His decision making is pretty good, while his first attack on MC I think was intentionally timed to wipe out all of the sentries before any Collossi arrived and it really hurt MC and likely delayed his push. MC just controlled the game. I was actually really impressed with Nada's play against Inca and Inca's first game was sick. I think if Inca improves his mechanics he could vie for one of the top Protoss spots. His build order was brilliant, and I think if he didn't attack up the ramp during the contain he might have won.

No I don't think his decision making was good at all in several instances. I managed to catch the games (vs oGsMC and 1 game vs Inca) and I was screaming in my head many times "What the hell are you doing?" before the many times he decided to attack and terribly failed within seconds. If I could have guessed the outcome of those skirmishes, so should Nada, and if he did, well, then, you saw what happened.

I never said anything about him not being one of the best, if anything I acknowledge him as the most successful and most consistent BW player of ALL TIME. In fact I was such a fan of his before seeing the games today, and I was terribly disappointed. Even though he made it through his group, I was not impressed at all.

I guess that's why I prefer to watch players like SlayersBoxer and JulyZerg, whose innovations are ahead of their time. They don't have to win games to win my heart and support.

Some of his attack decisions were not very good, but he's also extremely good at map control and scouting, and understands how to choke out his opponent. Against MC, the bad attack decisions cost him but MC is probably one of the few players that can match his macro ability.

Still, I'm very glad to see NaDa advance and overall that was a great set of matches, and a great job by Tastosis and the observer.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Scoop
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland482 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 21:12:18
January 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#1612
On January 08 2011 04:29 GinDo wrote:
Just say game 1 of Jully Zerg

+ Show Spoiler +
Crazy mind games going for the fake hatch and building a bling nest on that left over creep


Would've been crazy mind games had terran scouted the hatch...................... but no. Just a regular old baneling all-in but hey it's July and on top of that a Zerg player so it's awesome...

Btw, love how everyone says NaDa played bad and give MC no credit like NaDa was supposed to win :D
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
January 07 2011 21:43 GMT
#1613
On January 08 2011 05:48 Zelniq wrote:
lol everyone overreacts to july's baneling nest location. the thing is, terran wasn't even able to scout the hatch going up, nor did he scan july's main either. it actually made no difference..making the nest in his main would have saved him resources. or hiding the baneling nest elsewhere on the map would have achieved the same avoid-scan effect. the only reason you'd put it at your natural would be to first let him see the hatch, drive away/kill the scv, then cancel it and make baneling nest.

That's exactly what I thought too, because the SCV was there catching a glimpse of that drone about to make a hatchery. The camera panned away before we could be sure if that SCV did see the drone morphing into a hatchery, but there's no reason why JulyZerg would fake an expansion if his opponent didn't even know anyway.

Little mind games and stuff like that are what make JulyZerg so awesome to watch.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
January 07 2011 22:07 GMT
#1614
I think its very funny to see how Artosis is so excited when a Zerg and Protoss cheeses, like July today and Tester the last time he played against Rain. Suddendly a baneling bust or a DT rush is the smartest strategy in the world. And so many people agree, while everyone hates Terrans for doing similar stuff. Well atleast they gave Rain some credit for the fake 2rax into banshee play he did in the last gsl finals.
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
January 07 2011 22:23 GMT
#1615
The DT rush wasn't really cheese, it was pretty solid and the gas steal avoided an autolose vs Raven.
rezyn8
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia216 Posts
January 08 2011 00:07 GMT
#1616
Let me know what you think of my reviews: http://siliconsports.net/2011/01/code-s-group-f-results/
Silicon Sports Founder :: siliconsports.net :: @rezyn8
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
January 08 2011 00:30 GMT
#1617
By the power YuGiOh! LOL, the names just keep getting better and better.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 08 2011 00:34 GMT
#1618
On January 08 2011 07:07 altered wrote:
I think its very funny to see how Artosis is so excited when a Zerg and Protoss cheeses, like July today and Tester the last time he played against Rain. Suddendly a baneling bust or a DT rush is the smartest strategy in the world. And so many people agree, while everyone hates Terrans for doing similar stuff. Well atleast they gave Rain some credit for the fake 2rax into banshee play he did in the last gsl finals.


DT rush into blink stalker is not cheese, he just played it out right. And it is not similiar at all to the typical 2-rax rush seen from many terrans.

Cannon rush, proxy gateway, proxy stargate. That's protoss cheese.
PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
January 08 2011 00:53 GMT
#1619
Protoss cheese is the metagame in PvP, whether you like it or not. 4/5 Opponents on the ladder in a PvP will do the same thing.
Carrier has arrived.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 08 2011 03:29 GMT
#1620
Hell yeah for my 2 favourite oGs members making it through! This is an insane group :O .. feel bad for sanZenith though haha!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
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