EPT[GSL] S3 Ro16 Day 2 - Page 221
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Deleted User 124618
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SkelA
Macedonia13076 Posts
Korean terrans are just super aggressive like mvp and foxer who only knows how to make marines and gets lucky with map draws. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
I guess zerg plyers don't like him so they can't be objective about his skill. You should try to micro like him while keeping your macro on top and your minerals under 200, then you'll understand how hard it is. He outmacroed nada for god's sake, when will people realize that he's just GOOD ? Tired of hearing the same shit each time he play..."he's a one trick pony", "he's bad"...yeah, right, the best micro in the world is BAAAAAD, but I guess zerg players can't understand what micro is, because they want mAcRo GaMeS and if the T player is not playing tHe mAcRo g4m3 by letting the Z takes 5 bases in a NR15 match the T player will be bad anyway >< | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:42 SmoKim wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165495 once again proves that you shouldn't paint the devil on the wall  when will people learn?+ Show Spoiler + never Tbh everything that goes beyond the Ro16 is just pure player-skill - and (like odds would predict) the distribution of good players over races is pretty equal. HongUn and MC would stomp terran even if it "were" imbalanced (not starting a discussion here) same as fruitdealer manhandled everybody in GSL 1. I'm so looking forward to Jinro vs Choya, either our beloved representative wins or a Protoss-player. I would've never thought that such a win/win-situation could occur, just awsome. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
No way! He can beat the top Zerg's by cheesing(2 rax push,) or even a macro game where he has the incredibly sick bio split. gogo foxer and MC!!!! That's an inaccurate statement of MK's play. He's never 2-Rax All-In'd so far in this GSL (all-in usually implies he pulls SCVs). That's style's been taken up by BBBPrime. All his 2-Rax openings so far have been to just put pressure on the Zerg to force Zerglings and get his Expansion up. His main strategy has been 2-Base Timing Attacks. Which aren't cheese, he freaking gets an early expansion. however, i would not call a 2-Base Timing Attack a "Macro Game". That usually entails at least a 3rd base. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:37 LeaD wrote: Marineking is still too much of a "one trick pony" in my opinion, even though it's a very good "trick" and has him placing the top 8 again. Now he's going to start running into players that won't make the same mistakes Leenock did. I mean to win it all. In a 7 game series you just can't keep doing the samething, as Nestea demonstrated. That is such a short-sighted thing to say. He placed 2nd in GSL 2, 2nd in the allstar or whatever the league was called they did inbetween GSL 2 and 3, and now he's in the ro8 again. He is anything but a one trick pony. My guess is that most people that think he "just masses marines" don't remember the games where he went marauder/marine, tank+bio, banshees, thors,.. and lack the strategic insight to see how good not only his micro is, but also his awareness, positioning and game sense. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:44 SkelA wrote: Jinro is really amazing. Think he is the only player that shows terran true potential. From amazing builds(scrap station anyone?), solid macro and most importantly great ingame decisions. Overall Jinro is like the SC version of Flash. He knows when to turtle and when to be aggressive or doing or doing little bit of both like the game on jungle. Agreed agreed, Jinro is looking amazing. ^__^ | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:41 Flaunt wrote: No way! He can beat the top Zerg's by cheesing(2 rax push,) or even a macro game where he has the incredibly sick bio split. gogo foxer and MC!!!! Leenock demonstrated the problem with those bio splits pretty well, too bad he didn't take advantage in the third game. Those marine splits leave MK wide open for zergling surrounds since his marines are in groups of 2-4. If he clumps his marines together the banelings do their job, and if he splits the zerglings make quick work of the marines. A lot of zerg players just go mass baneling against MK mass marine and don't get enough zerglings, but if you change that ratio to have a lot more zerglings with speed and only the necessary amount of banelings, those splits are nowhere near as effective. Getting mutalisks to supplement your army with harassment and picking off medivacs or stray marines is also a great move. You don't need to get infestors, mutalisk/baneling/speedling works great, it's just the amount of each unit that zerg players keep getting wrong. They just expect 30 banelings to automatically win against a bunch of marines. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Gz again FA, you're gonna win me some more points next round too xD | ||
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CrayonKing
Cambodia124 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:46 alan25 wrote: is jinro the furthest any foreigner has gone? did idra ever made it to ro8 Nope. And I think he stands a good chance at the Finals too. | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
It's my gf's birthday so why am I getting so many presents? :D Best day of my sc2 life  | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:48 CrayonKing wrote: Why is jungle basin such a good map for Terran against Zerg? Because it's very hard to take a third. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:48 CrayonKing wrote: Why is jungle basin such a good map for Terran against Zerg? Free natural for terran and no third for Zerg - easy story, same for PvZ. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
It really makes me happy you're pulling off this nice run right after winning in Dallas, it gives the foreign scene much more legitimacy - the MLS champion is a force to be reckoned with! | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:41 Flaunt wrote: No way! He can beat the top Zerg's by cheesing(2 rax push,) or even a macro game where he has the incredibly sick bio split. gogo foxer and MC!!!! you, sir, won't like one of the ro8 games | ||
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Sayer
United States403 Posts
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On December 03 2010 22:46 wintergt wrote: That is such a short-sighted thing to say. He placed 2nd in GSL 2, 2nd in the allstar or whatever the league was called they did inbetween GSL 2 and 3, and now he's in the ro8 again. He is anything but a one trick pony. My guess is that most people that think he "just masses marines" don't remember the games where he went marauder/marine, tank+bio, banshees, thors,.. and lack the strategic insight to see how good not only his micro is, but also his awareness, positioning and game sense. You mean the ones he lost? The "strategic insight"? I saw three games today, and a second game where Leenock perfectly countered what he was doing and what does MK do? He goes back to plan A and just hopes Leenock doesn't play the same way. Last season against Kyrix, the perfect counter was demonstrated this season with a few seige tanks and a fortified wall, and what did MK do last season? Mass marines and a few marauders every game, and CONTINUALLY allowed Kyrix to break into his base with mass baneling and speedlings, rather than fortify his wall properly or quickly enough. He made a great comeback in the final game, which he was losing, and Kyrix allowed him back into the game with his poor forethought. Didn't he lose the latest GOM all-star final to the same playstyle as well? Maybe you should look at yourself for that short-sightedness and "lack of strategic insight" since MK has failed at most of his attempts to branch out and demonstrated today that he isn't confident in switching his play style when so much is on the line. People are going to figure out the counter to him and then he's left to learn completely different play styles, which he has failed to do so far. He does have great game sense, awareness and positioning, but he still is a master of one thing, and lacking in others. | ||
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