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wow really lame it says this in the main post:
"Date 27th and 28th of November 2010"
and then right under it has PST times... keep all the times/dates for ONE time zone, don't randomly mix up times and dates for two time zones.
So I didn't log on today, I thought the games were gonna be played tomorrow considering I played my prelim early, where it says as long as you play prelim before the 27th you're good (which is TOMORROW once again). My first opponent thought it was on saturday as well. Really annoying as I practiced for this.
The prize pool is very nice, but I hope to see a more organized tournament with a check-in feature in the future, signing up for a tourney weeks before it starts means a lot of no shows, even without contradictory scheduling times/zones.
EDIT: I noticed the bracket still doesnt show LzGamer as taking the default win against me, does that mean I can still play my match?
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I don't want to defend the organisation too much as there are obvious improvements for next time and I don't think you knew what you were getting in to but I think players really need to pay attention to details and take the time to read the threads that hosts put in to the tournament. I also think this benefits e-Sports as a whole because why would a sponsor think their name is going to get out there when participants don't even pay enough attention to figure out the correct time?
However, I don't think invitationals are the right move. Just because it's hard you shouldn't give up and do something easier, halving your exposure for no good reason! Admins are volunteer so it costs you nothing to pick up some help to run the brackets and answer enquiries. Invitationals have some appeal if you get big names but with the prizepools you guys are considering I really emplore you to keep it open.
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Me and several of my friends were scratched because of the time confusion.
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mmmmmm nice to see I pulled a Tyler and left after the first game in a bo3, oh well.
regardless the tourny was so piss-poorly run that I really wish I had skipped it.
I played 1 game over the span of 4 hours, and it took admins almost 2 hours to update the brackets, then another hour to get it to a playable state.
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United States2095 Posts
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Dear Gamers,
After a bad mixup with the timings, and alot of disappointed gamers. I'd like to apologise once again for what has happened.
We did not realise that the time would be such a problem as we were looking at our local time (The time displayed by the TL timezone) in order to make our decisions.
With things being such a mess, the brackets ended up being 1 player walking through to the semi finals. So, as the show had to go on, we create new brackets with all players who were ACTIVE in the chatroom and found 64 players. There were alot of AFKers in the chat room understandably, but trying to get as many games played as possible, I had to miss them. And they were disappointed understandably. I apologise sincerely.
What are we going to do?
Well, over the holiday period we will be working intensively to get our own site and automatic tournament management system set up where players will be repsonsible for reporting games, and administration will simply enforce rules. This will make everything run as smooth as the 2nd brackets did without any issues.
On top of that, our website will DISPLAY a count down timer for every tournament, as well as the streams for every event.
On top of this, FXOpen will be looking to recruit players into its team that are not inside russia (we already have a russian team) and are looking strongly at the SEA and south american countries for players. Note that due to forex regulation, we cannot sponsor an entire team from the US, although specific players from the US may happen.
Our next tournament will kick off somewhere towards the end of January, early february, so we have time to sort out any hiccups, and fix the problems that occured with this event. This event, is most probably invite only, and will consist of players around the world. We may throw out a few wild card spots with a public vote of players, or a panel. And work on a relegation system to allow new players to circulate as they improve.
I have not black listed anyone from this event, except 1 person who was extremely offensive and incoherrent. This player make a disgusting attack on myself and various other people. They know who they are.
Again I apologise for the mix up.
On another note, as sheth has so kindly posted the fxopen2 brackets, we are now heading into the final of the event (The show must go on). Sheth is up against optikzero in the semi final, and the winner will take on Capoch in the grand final (play off for $1000).
We have seen extremely exciting games from Optikzero so far, as with Sheth. And Capoch has taken down 2 big SEA names to get to his position, Moonglade and Edge.
We will be streaming replays of the finals at 3pm AEST, 12pm Singapore, 7am Moscow, 11pm NEW YORK.
Our good friends at sc2tv.ru will also be streaming those replays for all to see.
I would like to make a big shout out to optikzero and darkcell_ who are the most patient gamers I have ever met. Although there were alot of patient gamers, I think optikzero waited a very long time for his first game because of no shows, and darkcell the same + a stuff up also made him have to wait even longer. These guys are true gamers and have shown excellent ettiquette and patience.
Also, thank you to SiF and Unstable for casting the event, and sc2tv.ru as well for their excellent support.
Regards,
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On November 27 2010 17:40 deL wrote:
I don't want to defend the organisation too much as there are obvious improvements for next time and I don't think you knew what you were getting in to but I think players really need to pay attention to details and take the time to read the threads that hosts put in to the tournament. I also think this benefits e-Sports as a whole because why would a sponsor think their name is going to get out there when participants don't even pay enough attention to figure out the correct time?
However, I don't think invitationals are the right move. Just because it's hard you shouldn't give up and do something easier, halving your exposure for no good reason! Admins are volunteer so it costs you nothing to pick up some help to run the brackets and answer enquiries. Invitationals have some appeal if you get big names but with the prizepools you guys are considering I really emplore you to keep it open.
The issue with volunteers is, as we found yesterday. They do not show up, or would rather play. We will work something out.
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oh I thought day one was today at 5pm PST.
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My suggestions from experience with various parts of playing in running, assisting in admining and also talking with other tournament organizers in SEA are:
1) Get as much automation as you can. You can do everything fine with challonge and what not but unless you have a good admin team and really communicate actively with the players it will be difficult to keep things running.
2) Have your own site. Much better to have a solid base of operation for players to find information and work out what is going on.
1 and 2 you sound like you are tending to so that is a good sign.
3) Minimize the amount of time between signing up and round 1 games. The longer you leave between the commencement of the tournament and the sign up faze the more you increase no shows. Reminder systems such as emails and PMs help to lower this effect. A check in system if you have your own site may also help so that players have to check into be placed in brackets. This will lower the number of walk overs and bracket generation isn't hard to do on short notice.
4) Make dates and times blindingly obvious. The short for this one is people are both lazy and stupid (If you are someone who messed up the dates yes I am insulting you and you deserve it). Never the less you still want them to show up even if they should be able to work it out so make it as easy as possible for them.
5) Formatting of announcement post and information sections. All information about the competition should be blindingly easy to find in a short time. Meaningful headings and sub-sections are important. If you hunt down some of the tournament threads made by del you will get a great feel for how to layout information. (Example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165971)
I did not participate in this tournament as I was unable to so I can speak directly on how it was run but I think you did what you could with a difficult situation. You had the right intentions but fell short on the implementation from the feedback I am seeing here. I hope this doesn't discourage you from hosting more in the future. I would implore you to continue with open events instead of moving to invites but try to implement some mechanics to aid in lowering the number of players not attending but at the very least minimizing the impact of them not turning up. I hope the information here will help you in some way to make the FXOpen2 a great success :D
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What is going on with this tournament?
The bracket is finalized up to the finals but the stream is showing a match in the quarter finals?
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The matches were played earlier than the stream for a specific reason. Unfortunately it was a failure by myself for not taking brackets down in time for you to spam the results in the chat.
Only the players know the end result. As the final was never updated.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
.... why didn't you guys just use the TL.net [time] or [date] code
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On November 28 2010 17:43 FXOpen wrote:
The matches were played earlier than the stream for a specific reason. Unfortunately it was a failure by myself for not taking brackets down in time for you to spam the results in the chat.
Only the players know the end result. As the final was never updated.
I don't recall spamming the results of anything? I'm sorry if I did but it was pretty unclear as to what was going on.
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Congratulations for Capoch taking down Sheth in the final bo5 3-2. Also my congrats to optikzero, darkcell, tethys edge and perplexity. And all the other players.
We will make sure it works out better next time.
To those who watched/enjoyed the stream thank you very much for your comments its appreciated.
Until next time.
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On November 28 2010 17:48 Plexa wrote:
.... why didn't you guys just use the TL.net [time] or [date] code
we actually did, but for some reason most people still saw the wrong date we also had it up in the TL calander aswell, next tournament we will state it in multiple timezones so there is no confusion
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On November 28 2010 18:01 Unstable87 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 17:48 Plexa wrote:
.... why didn't you guys just use the TL.net [time] or [date] code we actually did, but for some reason most people still saw the wrong date we also had it up in the TL calander aswell, next tournament we will state it in multiple timezones so there is no confusion
"Date 27th and 28th of November 2010" You then proceeded to put the TL.net[time] and date thing under it so people saw two conflicting days. Also, the time the tournament was supposed to start at was different between the thread's and the upcoming event's date/time. Off by an hour.
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The event is over. We will run more events in the future. I am sorry that alot of people missed out on this one. It was a mistake.
In the future that mistake will not happen.
There is no point arguing now about it. It happened, things have been and gone. Next time there will be more satisfied people.
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On November 29 2010 09:25 FXOpen wrote:
The event is over. We will run more events in the future. I am sorry that alot of people missed out on this one. It was a mistake.
In the future that mistake will not happen.
There is no point arguing now about it. It happened, things have been and gone. Next time there will be more satisfied people.
Alright, props for holding the event anyways
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Are there any replays to be released? And when is the creative contest going to be judged?
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Good luck with future tournaments. You'll get it figured out I'm sure.
I would recommend trying again before you jump right to invite only. Maybe if you keep the limit at 128 as originally intended, you can work out the kinks for bigger tournaments in the future.
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