On October 17 2010 06:17 Weasel- wrote:
Where are all the high temps this tournament? Protoss seem to not like them at all, even though they're so good vs terran in general.

They were...but for some reasons the HT/Dt Tech is fucked up and Blizzard liked the robo build a bit more....

edit// sry I forgot.....Blizzard likes Ghosts, too ...and EMP...

alexanderzero

United States659 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4224

Darn, Kiwi got greedy during his attack against Select's gold. Awesome game though!

PartyBiscuit

Canada4525 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4225

On October 17 2010 06:18 Skyze wrote:
lol hm.. tier 3 1200+ minerals and 800 gold in 4 collosus, or tier 1 marauders. What wins? Marauders of course!

...Select had about 25-30 supply on Kiwi for most of the back half of that match....

asdd

228 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4226

On October 17 2010 06:18 KonohaFlash wrote:

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I guess vikings are tier 1.

Same with medi. And it's not like he was ahead of supply and denied kiwi's third while having his up.

Deadlyfish

Denmark1980 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4227

On October 17 2010 06:18 Skyze wrote:
lol hm.. tier 3 1200+ minerals and 800 gold in 4 collosus, or tier 1 marauders. What wins? Marauders of course!

I hate this "tier" comparison, it's just silly.

Skyze

Canada2324 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4228

On October 17 2010 06:17 Weasel- wrote:
Where are all the high temps this tournament? Protoss seem to not like them at all, even though they're so good vs terran in general.

to get enough HTs to be able to cast more than 2-3 storms a battle, its very hard. Not to mention how easy it is for them to run out of the storm, then your left with 600+ gas of useless non-attack units.

HT is only strong if you are playing off 3 base imo, otherwise you will get run over by marauders (well, you're gonna get run over by marauders either way, but least collosus gives a slight chance)

emc

United States3088 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4229

just goes to show how important FF really is, one miss FF or not enough energy to cast one more FF will do it, especially against stimmed marauders.

kidcrash89

198 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4230

Cmon Kiwi! You need to harass Idra again!

FortuneSyn

1826 Posts

October 16 2010 21:19 GMT

#4231

Whats up with people playing WoW behind the players all the time?

bigjenk

United States1543 Posts

October 16 2010 21:20 GMT

#4232

On October 17 2010 06:19 bgx wrote:
Hafu on the background of Kiwi's ? ;p

Yep there doing her interviews for wow tourney.

Ryzu

United States369 Posts

October 16 2010 21:20 GMT

#4233

WTB High Templar some time this century.

Burn2Memory

United States574 Posts

October 16 2010 21:20 GMT

#4234

On October 17 2010 06:17 Weasel- wrote:
Where are all the high temps this tournament? Protoss seem to not like them at all, even though they're so good vs terran in general.

Its hard to get them up. Getting a robo up early allows you to get immortals out while teching. Its also sometimes a tossup when the terran gets emps. If he emps your temps they are completely worthless.

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

October 16 2010 21:20 GMT

#4235

It's hilarious that people are whining about balance here when it was pretty clear that Select was ahead almost the entire game. "Waaaah, T1 v T3 and T1 wins!!" Yeah, well it helps when you're 40 food ahead. . .

But whatever, whiners going to to whine. Select doing good. It would be nice to see him win so we have a Protoss, Zerg and Terran in the top 3.

HolydaKing

21254 Posts

October 16 2010 21:20 GMT

#4236

On October 17 2010 06:18 BurningSera wrote:
foreign toss players really should learn from korean toss - get some HT!!!!

do you mean european toss? korean toss play colossi + some phoenix

TheWoodLeagueAllstar

United Kingdom617 Posts

October 16 2010 21:20 GMT

#4237

On October 17 2010 06:18 Ryzu wrote:

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On October 17 2010 06:17 Frack wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:15 StorkHwaiting wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:12 Frack wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:08 Frack wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

On October 17 2010 06:02 Piy wrote:

On October 17 2010 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

On October 17 2010 05:56 Frack wrote:
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I fail to see how me having a supposedly "Greater understanding" of the game would change my opinion of the games i saw, i think its an elitist argument on a base level and on a greater level its not really a counter at all to what im saying, its sitting in the camp of "well you just wouldnt understand, its a bit over your head". I have said again and again that just because i thought the game was boring doesnt mean intrinsically it was to anyone else, but im allowed to have my opinion regardless. I appreciate his micro and i think he deserved the victory, but so far as being a spectator is concerned if the whole tournament was like that then id be sorely dissapointed.

i don't understand how you can completely seperate yourself into two entities like that. the 'spectator' who is easily bored by seeing the same units over and over, and the 'player' who appreciates the tremendous display of skill that was select vs nony. i don't understand how ANY competitive player can be bored of a sc2 match simply because he's seen marauders before.

I think his argument is that the games aren't particularly varied and that the unit mixes from Terran have been very similar in every TvP mu today, yet that doesn't prevent good players from appreciating good play. Seems like a reasonable observation right now from a spectator standpoint, the other mu's have been a lot more enjoyable to watch from a casual spectator standpoint.

then we return to my original 'fuck the casual spectator this is teamliquid.net' standpoint!

You really cant see how appreciation and entertaining are two different things? I am not a casual spectator by any means.

quite frankly i don't see the necessity of separating the two. storkhwaiting summed it up pretty well

I gave you a prime example in other sports, i can give many many other examples

Maybe its part of the 1800 diamond club mentality on tl.net but the only arguments i see against seem elitist and seem to assume things about me as part of their argument which are not true, and seem to believe that my opinions is somehow irrelevant because they assume i dont understand how well Select played. You assume that i cant appreciate his micro, you assume i cant appreciate his scouting, and most of all the bridge key of the argument is you assume that because i appreciate these things i have to find it entertaining, well i do appreciate it but i dont find it entertaining, and i cant really argue better than that because whoever counters me is arguing on baseless accusations because of the general culture on here.

Basically, you're saying facts don't matter, only your opinion of what's entertaining. So quite frankly I don't give a shit what your opinion is anymore. You were trying to claim that Select's bio play was not impressive and boring. It is very impressive, and its entertainment value is an intangible based on individual opinion. Therefore, considering that all you want to do is insist on your opinion and have no facts to support it, there is no need for further discussion. Thanks and goodbye.

I gave you a prime example which you have not refuted, i have concluded you are not interested in arguing, if you derive all your enjoyment from statistics then god help you sir.

Thanks and goodbye (did i do that right?)

Are you just begging for a ban?

Unless the admins are corrupt here i feel pretty safe :s but im done arguing since there seems to be no arguing taking place, just a shedload of people making baseless assumptions and assuming that enjoyment can be quantified, packed up and defined according to certain criteria.