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TLO vs MadFrog showmatch - Page 15

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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 07 2010 16:32 GMT
#281
On August 04 2010 23:28 OTIX wrote:
TLO is awesome. Madfrog is awesome. This is gonna be awesome.

That is all.


Agree with this post. Good luck to both players!
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
August 07 2010 16:33 GMT
#282
Anyone notice madfrogs style with the burrow roaches?? reminds me of WC3 So bad.... he needs to fix his style to more sc2 type because he stands no chance
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 07 2010 16:46 GMT
#283
On August 08 2010 01:33 backtoback wrote:
Anyone notice madfrogs style with the burrow roaches?? reminds me of WC3 So bad.... he needs to fix his style to more sc2 type because he stands no chance

Are you saying sc2 player should not use roach burrow?
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 07 2010 16:49 GMT
#284
On August 08 2010 01:23 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 01:07 cuppatea wrote:
Setzer, you're using a showmatch between an ex-Supreme Comamnder player, who has been amongst the top of the Euro SC2 scene since early in the beta and an ex-WC3 player, who has only just began to make a name for himself in SC2, as proof of BW players being better than those from WC3, even though the loser in this match had the more accomplished BW career of the 2?

No shit you don't want to argue with him because you haven't got a leg to stand on.


Heh, there's a blatant flaw in your reasoning. MadFroG might've been more accomplished, but in his prime in BW he wasn't even as good as an average D player on iCCup right now. People were really bad at StarCraft (comparatively) back in the days. On the other hand, TLO reached A-.

In terms of skills in BW, TLO was way better that MadFroG ever was, albeit less accomplished.

lol.... the average D player?
i got to c in a month..
Raistlin
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 16:53:42
August 07 2010 16:52 GMT
#285
Let's see what happens in tomorrow's game, at 12:00. If MaDFroG could play normal without any do-or-die strategy, he might have a shot.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 16:54:00
August 07 2010 16:53 GMT
#286
On August 08 2010 01:23 maybenexttime wrote:
Heh, there's a blatant flaw in your reasoning. MadFroG might've been more accomplished, but in his prime in BW he wasn't even as good as an average D player on iCCup right now. People were really bad at StarCraft (comparatively) back in the days. On the other hand, TLO reached A-.

In terms of skills in BW, TLO was way better that MadFroG ever was, albeit less accomplished.

You too pleasse stop the nonsense. After not playing for 5 years I could still get to B in TSL without any practice. Madfrogs skills from 2001 in no way translate to todays D or anything close to it.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#287
lol victor is patient
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 17:01:57
August 07 2010 17:01 GMT
#288
On August 08 2010 01:07 cuppatea wrote:
Setzer, you're using a showmatch between an ex-Supreme Comamnder player, who has been amongst the top of the Euro SC2 scene since early in the beta and an ex-WC3 player, who has only just began to make a name for himself in SC2, as proof of BW players being better than those from WC3, even though the loser in this match had the more accomplished BW career of the 2?

No shit you don't want to argue with him because you haven't got a leg to stand on.


My conclusion was drawn from watching numerous WC3 players and tournaments. It is not a coincidence the top foreign players all have a history of BW. My thinking is not in the minority, pretty much every player who has a history in BW knows this to be true. And the results speak for itself.

edit: typed this before Nazgul's post. Will stop now.
DemiSe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
883 Posts
August 07 2010 17:05 GMT
#289
On August 08 2010 00:48 TBO wrote:
Its going to be a best of five tomorrow! :-)

Can't wait for the Bo5! :D
Congratz to + Show Spoiler +
TLO
Let's See Who's Stronger, Your Tricks, Or My Skills.
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
August 07 2010 17:06 GMT
#290
The two ninja expansions cost him both games, if he plays more standard he can win (as seen in g2)
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Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 07 2010 17:13 GMT
#291
Nice to see SK back in the game, one of the biggest gaming teams out there, if not the biggest.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Gallimatias
Profile Joined May 2009
France95 Posts
August 07 2010 19:53 GMT
#292
On August 07 2010 20:13 LittleeD wrote:
Im really impressed by Madfrog winning one game. I was stunned he could pull it out that well vs a player of that calibre. I just have to point out one that and that's what Madfrog said in the interview. He mentioned how SC2 has a lot of more dimensions than Wc3 and I really must disagree there. I wonder what he thought about stating that.


He said similar things about WC3 in comparasion to Brood War after he made that switch. It's probably a mental thing where it helps him stay motivated if he feels he is playing the best of games. In this case it might also serve to rationalize why he is not performing aswell as in the previous game.

Translated MadFroG interview
Cool that you are doing so well! But why!? Why did you change so drastically to WC3 from Starcraft/Brood War? What tempted you to play War3?

Haha, I was probably the last team-q member to change. I wasn't even playing the War3 beta. But what was fun with BW was going to events and so on, and I knew that there wouldn't be much of that considering all the talk about WC3. In the start after changing, I liked BW much better, but now I have to say that I think WC3 is the better game.
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 20:45:39
August 07 2010 20:41 GMT
#293
How anyone can possibly say Frog isn't anywhere close to TLO in level of play at the moment is ridiculous after watching him take a game off him. Yeah he screwed up with the hidden expansion crap but you go play 40 games of ZvT on LT and tell me that thought doesn't start looking like a damn good idea after losing natural after natural to cliffs.

I don't believe Frog is better than TLO at this current stage, but don't act like he's just some kid who walked in off the street with a copy of SC2. He's a pro, he's proven it so many times in the past and he's only going to get better. Hell just being (re)picked up by SK already says a lot.

One difference choice in game 3 as to where to put his expo and it could easily have been 2-1 Frog.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 07 2010 20:47 GMT
#294
I now watched the games and here are my thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +
The hidden expos is what cost MadFrog the first and third game. The hidden expo in the third game was really bad because he put it so close to the terran, a better spot would have been one in the east side so that at least he'd have a chance to defend it. As soon as TLO spotted the expo that game was over and MadFrog knew it but he played on to try to give the crowd a show.

That second game was great and it showed MadFrog's legendary harassing skills.

For the second series tomorrow I think MadFrog should pick Kulas Ravine and Metalopolis. I believe he can win tomorrow's series 3-2 if he picks the right maps.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
August 07 2010 20:52 GMT
#295
Kulas Ravine is a very bad pick as Zerg when you face a Terran who knows how to use Vikings.
They don't pick maps by the way but veto until 3/5 maps are left.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
August 07 2010 21:02 GMT
#296
1 question: Does anybody know where I can watch VODS?

And btw, Madfrog has been at top ladder player since phase 2, and played even matches against top players like Whitera. While TLO definately was the favourite before this one, one should def. still expect close matches.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 07 2010 21:14 GMT
#297
On August 08 2010 06:02 Hider wrote:
1 question: Does anybody know where I can watch VODS?

And btw, Madfrog has been at top ladder player since phase 2, and played even matches against top players like Whitera. While TLO definately was the favourite before this one, one should def. still expect close matches.


VOD of all three games from today's series. http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22299

Tomorrow they will play a best of 5.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
August 07 2010 21:27 GMT
#298
why the hell are people bashin madfrog/?

he was such a beast
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
August 07 2010 21:31 GMT
#299
once TLO refines his mechanics he is going to be an absolute beast
savior did nothing wrong
acie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States247 Posts
August 08 2010 03:13 GMT
#300
moon makes a lot more money on wc3 so hes not going to be switching to sc2 for a while
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