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01d55
Profile Joined March 2010
United States19 Posts
August 07 2010 11:10 GMT
#241
It feels like MadFroG was working with a serious deficit of experience with SC2 specifically. Trying to rely on hidden expos and mutas especially. Even in the game he won, I saw late/no drone transfers out of the over saturated main, weak nydus placement, a lot of mistakes that he clearly has the ability to correct in the near future. It could have been much worse for TLO in that game, especially if nydus had been used to speed roach reinforcements after TLO lost all those tanks to burrow move.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 07 2010 11:10 GMT
#242
MaDFroG is a cool guy, like him pretty much, but unfortunately he's not a top player yet.
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HyTemplar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany265 Posts
August 07 2010 11:11 GMT
#243
On August 07 2010 20:08 iG.ClouD wrote:
Madfrog played plain bad. Disappointing.


did you expect him to win against someone like TLO?hm dont think so.
Yawne
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany195 Posts
August 07 2010 11:11 GMT
#244
On August 07 2010 19:54 soverRR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 19:44 Yawne wrote:
Wow learn to macro .... i´m really bad but 3k min for several minutes...


Yeah well, while you're busy cripping TLO enough to win the game, you might slack off a bit on the macro.


He had the game the moment he pushed out with his mass roaches.. after that it was just clean up.

If he would have skipped the tricky sneak play, at 100 food and just maxed his army with roaches he could have just rolled over him. You don´t need to cripple a wounded opponent.
The only thing he did with this was give TLO the chance to maybe come back into the game.

One the other hand it was nice to watch.. and he won that game either way.
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tellit
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada53 Posts
August 07 2010 11:13 GMT
#245
Very worthwhile games. Too bad it was only a showmatch. I would have gladly lost some more sleep if it were a tournament.
opticalza
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
August 07 2010 11:13 GMT
#246
So the next series is on tomorrow, same time, correct?
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 11:16:00
August 07 2010 11:13 GMT
#247
Im really impressed by Madfrog winning one game. I was stunned he could pull it out that well vs a player of that calibre. I just have to point out one that and that's what Madfrog said in the interview. He mentioned how SC2 has a lot of more dimensions than Wc3 and I really must disagree there. I wonder what he thought about stating that.

Otherwise, wonderful showmatches. Glad to see Froggy back in action!

EDIT: People judging Madfrog's lack of macro. Well dammit he's a former Wc3 player, where micro played a much bigger role than macro, what'd you expect really? As I said I just must say im impressed he managed to win one game.
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QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
August 07 2010 11:18 GMT
#248
On August 07 2010 19:35 iEchoic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 19:34 Enox wrote:
On August 07 2010 19:27 iEchoic wrote:
Why are the Thors so huge? Was this pre-recorded before that beta patch or something?


they play live and the thor is bigger cause TLO has the collectors edition with the special thor model. CE thors look like the Odin from the single player campain missions


Was wondering about that, but good lord are those Thors huge. I'm glad I didn't get the CE if they're that big.


Same size different skin.

Hoping for some higher quality VODs because Blizzards horrible planning put this on the same time as the fucking Grand Finals, seriously wtf.
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Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
August 07 2010 11:20 GMT
#249
at first I figured he threw down the expansion just to buy time for his muta tech and keeping all his drones alive in the base, if the expansion hadn't been there TLO would've tried to harrass his main and scout his lair and double gas, but I guess TLO was prepared for fast mutas anyway. I dunno if it would be a smart thing to throw away 300 minerals and a drone in order to try to get him off guard with fast mutas. I actually think it would be good against a worse player.

After hearing the interview it seems like that wasn't what he was doing though.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
August 07 2010 11:20 GMT
#250
On August 07 2010 20:13 opticalza wrote:
So the next series is on tomorrow, same time, correct?


correct
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 07 2010 11:29 GMT
#251
Hopefully someone will put the vods up so I can see them. Tomorrow I'll be able to watch the second series live
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Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 07 2010 11:56 GMT
#252
On August 07 2010 19:15 Mothxal wrote:
I think if people just see Madfrog play once they can let go of all this silly WC3 resentment. I mean, TLO was a sup-com player and nobody cares about that, it's just that the WC3-SC:BW wars bleed through with this.


TLO was also a BW player of B'ish level.
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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
August 07 2010 12:00 GMT
#253
funny when the commentators tried to get the crowd to cheer they got next to no response regardless of whom they asked them to cheer for. xD

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Garson
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden203 Posts
August 07 2010 12:01 GMT
#254
I think madfrog has the potential it takes to play in the higher levels of starcraft 2 pro gameing scene but i also think hes not at the same level as TLO yet. Besides they both agreeded that zergs playstyle still has flaws against terrans.

Very fun to watch them play
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 07 2010 12:02 GMT
#255
GG. Man, why would any1 want to watch this over the proleague finals? lol
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 07 2010 12:03 GMT
#256
On August 07 2010 20:56 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 19:15 Mothxal wrote:
I think if people just see Madfrog play once they can let go of all this silly WC3 resentment. I mean, TLO was a sup-com player and nobody cares about that, it's just that the WC3-SC:BW wars bleed through with this.


TLO was also a BW player of B'ish level.


TLO reached A- on iccup
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
mechanix
Profile Joined March 2010
33 Posts
August 07 2010 12:04 GMT
#257
you guys, madfrog was a top zerg player in europe before he switched over to war3. he played in the same era as insomnia before he also moved to wc3 (mr.x anyone?)

and also he played the most beautiful wc3 style of any wc3 progamer. very focused on speed and harassing, with artful micro techniques.

if you dont know about the guy you really shouldnt bash him.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 12:29:02
August 07 2010 12:27 GMT
#258
Can I watch this game somewhere?
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
August 07 2010 12:29 GMT
#259
On August 07 2010 21:27 leveller wrote:
Is this the game thats livecasted with day9?


nope, day9 isn't there. he will be on the Gamescom from August 19th to 22nd, which is also in cologne
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
August 07 2010 12:36 GMT
#260
On August 07 2010 21:29 Enox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 21:27 leveller wrote:
Is this the game thats livecasted with day9?


nope, day9 isn't there. he will be on the Gamescom from August 19th to 22nd, which is also in cologne


Ok thanks! I guess these games arent uploaded yet are they? =/
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