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groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
August 09 2010 03:03 GMT
#381
bigt is definitely stepping his game up.

Loving the casting of this tournament. Great job man. :D
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
TimeToPractice!
Profile Joined January 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 03:18:40
August 09 2010 03:17 GMT
#382
Little upsetting that Drewbie and Zelniq ditched 2,500 observers for a sponsored tournament. Leaving the caster out of the game and insisting he can't cast when this is indeed a sponsored tournament where the prize pool was provided by ESL who wants these games to be casted is a pretty bad move.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 03:27:56
August 09 2010 03:27 GMT
#383
my opponent said "big lag"

observers/casters often create lag

when we remade without them he didnt complain about lag


should i have said to my opponent "no you must play with this heavy lag so that it can be streamed" ?
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scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
August 09 2010 03:31 GMT
#384
On August 09 2010 12:17 TimeToPractice! wrote:
Little upsetting that Drewbie and Zelniq ditched 2,500 observers for a sponsored tournament. Leaving the caster out of the game and insisting he can't cast when this is indeed a sponsored tournament where the prize pool was provided by ESL who wants these games to be casted is a pretty bad move.


It's also a pretty bad move forcing players to play in laggy conditions just so people can watch it live. There's always the option of watching the replay later. If someone loses a game because of the lag they can't replay it, and it's even worse in this case because they wouldn't qualify.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
August 09 2010 03:39 GMT
#385
On August 09 2010 12:17 TimeToPractice! wrote:
Little upsetting that Drewbie and Zelniq ditched 2,500 observers for a sponsored tournament. Leaving the caster out of the game and insisting he can't cast when this is indeed a sponsored tournament where the prize pool was provided by ESL who wants these games to be casted is a pretty bad move.

IT WAS FENIX NOT ME
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epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
August 09 2010 03:40 GMT
#386
yeah let players play w/ optimal conditions.
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
August 09 2010 03:43 GMT
#387
not surprised idra lost a ZvZ with the low skill ceiling it requires at the moment. Baneling vs banelings with cross-pacific lag is the worst possible situation.
rrowland
Profile Joined March 2010
United States84 Posts
August 09 2010 03:43 GMT
#388
The lag was clearly Wolf, he dropped after the 5 minute load screen.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 09 2010 04:22 GMT
#389
Fenix, Artosis, Kiwikaki, Drewbie ... congrats :p!
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alfybet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States57 Posts
August 09 2010 04:46 GMT
#390
Ooo, Artosis gets in before Idra. Hope we get to see them both qualified for the live event
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
August 09 2010 04:54 GMT
#391
On August 09 2010 12:43 epik640x wrote:
not surprised idra lost a ZvZ with the low skill ceiling it requires at the moment. Baneling vs banelings with cross-pacific lag is the worst possible situation.

So the most micro-intensive mirror now equals "low skill ceiling"


got it
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
August 09 2010 05:06 GMT
#392
omg Fenix =(

gg's all and congrats!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
August 09 2010 06:20 GMT
#393
IS there going to be a replay pack for download and where can I get it?
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 06:28:57
August 09 2010 06:28 GMT
#394
that last match was probably the most frustrating experience ive had in sc2 & sc2 beta thus far.. how much money was spent on SC2? 100 million? clearly not much went towards bnet 2.0 servers

Just to be clear, I'm not blaming my loss to Fenix on lag, I was outplayed. Congratulations to him, he deserves to advance.

But nevertheless it was still infuriating when my mass mutalisks ran into thors (automatically clumping) and there was nothing I could do but watch.

it's bad enough that i might just give up on sc2 for now if i cannot figure out a way to get around this constant lag issue ive been having with bnet 2.0. i didn't have lag this bad in beta, but ever since release, at peak hours I get insane, stuttery lag (and often disconnect)

I've Verizon FIOS in southern california, 30 Mb/sec down and upload, but that does not seem to matter for my ping/connection to bnet
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 06:41:56
August 09 2010 06:41 GMT
#395
I have never felt lag in SC2 retail aside from customs that are not from the top down perspective.
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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 09 2010 06:59 GMT
#396
On August 09 2010 15:28 Zelniq wrote:
that last match was probably the most frustrating experience ive had in sc2 & sc2 beta thus far.. how much money was spent on SC2? 100 million? clearly not much went towards bnet 2.0 servers

Just to be clear, I'm not blaming my loss to Fenix on lag, I was outplayed. Congratulations to him, he deserves to advance.

But nevertheless it was still infuriating when my mass mutalisks ran into thors (automatically clumping) and there was nothing I could do but watch.

it's bad enough that i might just give up on sc2 for now if i cannot figure out a way to get around this constant lag issue ive been having with bnet 2.0. i didn't have lag this bad in beta, but ever since release, at peak hours I get insane, stuttery lag (and often disconnect)

I've Verizon FIOS in southern california, 30 Mb/sec down and upload, but that does not seem to matter for my ping/connection to bnet

Well it was the same with wow in peak hours when it was released, they fixed it by putting in insane queues, so u had to wait for hours to get in, and that was after 2 years.. Yeah, they really are that pathetic..
One ring, to rule them all!
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 07:03:31
August 09 2010 06:59 GMT
#397
On August 09 2010 10:50 Karliath wrote:
So confused. Can someone tell me the difference between these NA games and the IEM tournament in Cologne starting Aug. 18th? Are these two IEMs completely separate?

IEM Cologne is a Global Challenge which is mostly invite only for prize money whereas the open IEM Qualifiers we are running lead to the American Finals and eventually the Global Finals.

On August 09 2010 12:17 TimeToPractice! wrote:
Little upsetting that Drewbie and Zelniq ditched 2,500 observers for a sponsored tournament. Leaving the caster out of the game and insisting he can't cast when this is indeed a sponsored tournament where the prize pool was provided by ESL who wants these games to be casted is a pretty bad move.

1. It was Zelniq v Fenix, not v Drewbie
2. It was a matter of lag. It wasn't like they just refused for no reason (like someone else in the cup was doing). I know Zelniq had been having problems with lag most of the tournament and there was horrible lag when the match first started with casters. The decision to drop all casters had to be done to allow the match to be played. It's much more important to give the players a better match experience than to get the match casted. Getting the match played under the best conditions takes priority over live spectating, especially when replays are usually available soon after the match, as others have already explained above me.
On August 09 2010 12:43 rrowland wrote:
The lag was clearly Wolf, he dropped after the 5 minute load screen.

That Wolf wasn't me btw. Gonna say that now before people try putting 2 and 2 together. I wasn't even invited to the first match because of the already existing lag problem + casters already on the server.
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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
August 09 2010 07:58 GMT
#398
Any chances replays gonna be released soon? :-)
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
August 09 2010 10:53 GMT
#399
On August 09 2010 11:42 Badred wrote:
I've been watching BigT's stream for most of the day and he seems to be fairly intelligent. He catches *most* of the action and seems fairly knowledgeable - at least enough to tell us who is winning and who is losing and be right most of the time.


Are you actually serious?

BigT has to be one of the worse casters currently on Teamliquid. His knowledge of the different races is almost non-existant (Stalkers outrange Colossi when they dont have their upgrade, and he plays Protoss), he does almost never catch unusual BO's since he ONLY plays Protoss, he is only an average player (56% winrate) but he proclaims he has THE BEST ZEALOT MICRO ON THE ENTIRE BNET, he constantly states the obvious without actually thinking about how / why the player does it, he thinks he is supersmart with his gameplay analysis (oohh X is gonna lose here because Y's play counters him perfectly in the dark, X should really be doing Z), ignorant of the fact that with the "everyone" view of the game anyone can say these things, he's incredibly narcissistic (repeating how awesome he is every 5 minutes, how his stream is the best stream, ignoring all criticism(if you dont like it leave ... how childish), or saying "take care of that shit, son" every time he makes someone a mod), he's not well versed AT ALL often looking for the most simple words, that even I can think of in an instant, and I'm not even a native speaker and he's unprofessional (uponst chatting with a semi-pro for the first time "yo can i cast ur games? :o" or showing HuK's MSN in front of 2.5k viewers, or telling HuK before important tournament games which style and build his future opponent favors, not leaving the game when he lags and HuK wants him to leave, etc.etc.)

I could go on and on, and I wouldn't really complain about all his wrongdoings if he was just nice and not such a douchebag. In the end, I found it quite laughable that he wanted to start a streaming site and was collecting donations for it, since he has almost 0 qualities that would make him an enjoyable person to listen to. (In comparison to HD & Husky who obviously lack a bit of knowledge (still miles better than BigT) they are at least modest and seem like nice people IRL.
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 09 2010 12:43 GMT
#400
There's so many casters now and so many of them are so awful that to be considered good you just have to not be atrocious. Sometimes it feels like there's more people aspiring to be casters than there are players, and they don't seem to realize it is not easy being good and requires talent.

If I could give BigT advice it would be to turn down his mouse scroll speed and stop trying to select everything like it's the first 5 minutes of a game and you want to inflate your apm. Everyone does that sorta stuff when they watch replays on their own, but on a stream it's nauseating. He also tends to miss a lot of action because he's off selecting minerals where no one has a base and scrolling back and forth while on the minimap there's clearly a battle going on.

It seems to me like he really likes to lord over his channel, most times people are just watching it because there's no other channel, or it's something like the gosugamers official channel featuring some kid who forgot his ritalin, I don't see a reason to get a huge ego over that. I get a real douchebag vibe from listening to him. I am not trying to be an asshole, it's just the overall attitude he conveys on his stream. I don't know how much of it's an act or if that's just how he is, it's not very endearing at all though. I can't use Day 9 as an example, because he's like a casting paragon. I'll use HD and Husky, despite all their success, they aren't half as egomaniacal as BigT comes off
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