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DISHU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom348 Posts
August 03 2010 00:38 GMT
#241
so how much is the final winner getting in new york ?
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. But what are timeflies and why do they like an arrow?
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
August 03 2010 00:44 GMT
#242
So are there VODs or replays of Silver vs Idra? I want to see the rage for myself.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 03 2010 00:46 GMT
#243
On August 03 2010 09:29 comis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 09:20 ithree wrote:
Can Silver play series that don't end up WTF ?

But seriously propz to Silver, you will not longer be just 'The Idra Killa', enjoy the rest of the tourny and your $100

and gg to Huk, proving once again how solid he is, even on an off day. (sacrificial coloxen )


You'd call what we just saw solid play? Colossi scouting 4tw?

yeah he fucked up pretty badly this game but he played fine the other games
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 03 2010 00:47 GMT
#244
On August 03 2010 09:44 teamsolid wrote:
So are there VODs or replays of Silver vs Idra? I want to see the rage for myself.


I think he said he was making vods of them but I'm not sure were he'll put them up.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
August 03 2010 00:56 GMT
#245
On August 03 2010 09:44 teamsolid wrote:
So are there VODs or replays of Silver vs Idra? I want to see the rage for myself.

http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_1/download/22422362/
www.twitter.com/g2wolf
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 00:58:31
August 03 2010 00:56 GMT
#246
On August 03 2010 01:22 Fayth wrote:
slush doesn't seem to have any trouble with scouting, terran can't scout unless he gives up on 270 minerals and even then it's a gamble of a scout cuz u can hide buildings

On August 03 2010 01:50 Fayth wrote:
suiciding an overlord or 2 seems better than guessing, as costly as scans

Scan doesn't cost minerals sigh. The minerals don't dissapear when you scan do they?
reza
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada213 Posts
August 03 2010 01:28 GMT
#247
On August 03 2010 02:21 Graven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 02:13 reza wrote:
On August 03 2010 02:02 Graven wrote:
On August 03 2010 02:01 reza wrote:
scout with an early drone ( 8 or 9) and just leave it at bottom of their base and pop up 2-3 mins later and see whats really good


Awesome. That worked, but then I got promoted to Silver and they kill my drone everytime. Those Silver players are crafty! What do I do now?


huh? if you just got promoted to silver I don't think you should be leaving suggestions or comments on the overall balance of the game. work you're way up to my level so your comments/suggestions can be justified. good day


LOL. I'm a Diamond player. My earlier response was sarcasm, directly attacking the intelligence behind your suggestion. However, it's clear by your response that you're not nearly as dumb as I initially thoguht, so I apologize.


ROFL..idiot if you didn't notice I was being sarcastic as well. I too play diamond, so just relax there buddy.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 03 2010 01:33 GMT
#248
On August 03 2010 09:56 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 01:22 Fayth wrote:
slush doesn't seem to have any trouble with scouting, terran can't scout unless he gives up on 270 minerals and even then it's a gamble of a scout cuz u can hide buildings

Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 01:50 Fayth wrote:
suiciding an overlord or 2 seems better than guessing, as costly as scans

Scan doesn't cost minerals sigh. The minerals don't dissapear when you scan do they?


It prevents you from using a mule.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
August 03 2010 01:57 GMT
#249
@ nizaris "Scan doesn't cost minerals sigh. The minerals don't dissapear when you scan do they?"

google "opportunity cost"
then say that again.
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
August 03 2010 02:02 GMT
#250
if you want to be precise it is 270 minerals you could have had 60 seconds later. The duration of a mule must be considered in the value of those 270 minerals.
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
August 03 2010 02:03 GMT
#251
On August 03 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 08:35 diesirae wrote:
On August 03 2010 04:48 Slow Motion wrote:
I'm sure all the Silver hate is completely justified. I mean where does he come off daring to play and beat someone who everyone KNOWS is better than him? I'm reminded of that one Terran who cheesed Bisu out of the OSL. I don't know what happened with that guy but I'm sure he's a nobody now, and hasn't contributed anything to Starcraft since then.

Also, I think Chapter 4 of Sun Tzu's Art of War says you must fight your opponent where he is strongest, or else you're a noob. I propose that in order to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, instead of playing games to see who wins we have a community vote on who is the strongest. That guy automatically wins.


HAHAHA. I created a TL account just to say how much I liked this post.

On topic, it's kind of absurd to keep arguing that TvZ is balanced, when it's widely acknowledged by players of all races that it isn't. Terran can wall themselves in and make ANY tech of their choosing on ONE goddamn base. Zerg's only chance against a decently played Terran is to expand everywhere and starve them out of resources, but that's assuming you can stop their turtle push.

Step one, as Idra said, is obviously to eliminate smart firing tanks.


1.Go ask TLO and day9. He says TvZ is balanced.


1. TLO plays terran (biased).
2. day9 doesnt even play much sc2

ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 03 2010 02:48 GMT
#252
On August 03 2010 11:03 tacrats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:
On August 03 2010 08:35 diesirae wrote:
On August 03 2010 04:48 Slow Motion wrote:
I'm sure all the Silver hate is completely justified. I mean where does he come off daring to play and beat someone who everyone KNOWS is better than him? I'm reminded of that one Terran who cheesed Bisu out of the OSL. I don't know what happened with that guy but I'm sure he's a nobody now, and hasn't contributed anything to Starcraft since then.

Also, I think Chapter 4 of Sun Tzu's Art of War says you must fight your opponent where he is strongest, or else you're a noob. I propose that in order to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, instead of playing games to see who wins we have a community vote on who is the strongest. That guy automatically wins.


HAHAHA. I created a TL account just to say how much I liked this post.

On topic, it's kind of absurd to keep arguing that TvZ is balanced, when it's widely acknowledged by players of all races that it isn't. Terran can wall themselves in and make ANY tech of their choosing on ONE goddamn base. Zerg's only chance against a decently played Terran is to expand everywhere and starve them out of resources, but that's assuming you can stop their turtle push.

Step one, as Idra said, is obviously to eliminate smart firing tanks.


1.Go ask TLO and day9. He says TvZ is balanced.


1. TLO plays terran (biased).
2. day9 doesnt even play much sc2


lol Idra plays zerg and says TvZ is imbalanced, not biased?
Unfurl
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States272 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 02:59:48
August 03 2010 02:58 GMT
#253
He didn't say TvZ is imba, he says T is ridiculous that they can turtle, have a large variety of options that they can do that all require different reactions from the opponent, yet you can't scout it because

lings can't get in base
Ovis get shot down by patrolling marines

there's no way a Zerg can scout them (idk about toss)

so how does Zerg prepare for everything with spreading themselves very thin in every category
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
August 03 2010 02:59 GMT
#254
Am I the only one who saw Idra stomp a Terran in King of the Beta? (Hope this isn't considered too much of a spoiler)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
August 03 2010 03:00 GMT
#255
I was wondering who silver was since he has an absurd win rate on my ladder. Didn't get to see the games but hopefully I can soon :D
comis
Profile Joined April 2010
United States333 Posts
August 03 2010 03:27 GMT
#256
On August 03 2010 11:59 itzbrandnew wrote:
Am I the only one who saw Idra stomp a Terran in King of the Beta? (Hope this isn't considered too much of a spoiler)


TLO and friends seem like they try to out-pro the race. They do stuff like space out tanks, try to harrass, etc etc. Players like Silver just build 3-4 of any random unit and a-move to win.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 03 2010 03:29 GMT
#257
On August 03 2010 12:27 comis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 11:59 itzbrandnew wrote:
Am I the only one who saw Idra stomp a Terran in King of the Beta? (Hope this isn't considered too much of a spoiler)


TLO and friends seem like they try to out-pro the race. They do stuff like space out tanks, try to harrass, etc etc. Players like Silver just build 3-4 of any random unit and a-move to win.

what the hell.... silver didn't just build any random unit and attack moved, he was reacting very well to what his opponent was doing and he was harassing in the mean time, you really think he has a very good winrate in the ladder and beats idra qxc and huk by just spamming units and attack move?
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 04:33:13
August 03 2010 04:29 GMT
#258
He beat Idra on metalopolis simply because Idra went muta ling vs THOR, HELLION. If that were not bad enough, he even engaged with his zlings before his mutas.

He abused LT really well vs Idra by doing that roachproof walloff while getting a fast medivac which was smart play.

Idra lost the first game, 100% his fault. The second game can be seen as T abusing the map, but all zergs should account for this possibility, I mean this maps only been out for like 12 years now.


I normally love Idras bm, but this time it was uncalled for, Silver didn't even provoke anything, or do something super cheesy or all-in, yet he just lashed out on him -_-
naventus
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 04:55:46
August 03 2010 04:55 GMT
#259
Idra vs Silver game 1:
Idra gets to lair relatively early, doesn't get overlord speed or overseer, though it would have come in time to see armory/thor push, and react in time. In this scenario, I don't buy the "zerg can't scout in time argument".

Mutas are used well to delay push, but second wave of gas goes into more muta, instead of infestor. There's no reason terran should be allowed to push out with a small army like that, especially if 2-3 of the thors can be NPed.

Idra vs Silver game 2:
Lair is complete just a tiny bit before medivac is ready to go, so we can see Z scouting would in fact be too late for this sort of build. But it is in time to catch the medivac go out. Other clues would have been lack of hellion, but upgrade going on the tech lab. Seems like could be punished by sacrificing lings for the lab.

Time is 7m, turbo newb going out, but Z can delay a bit with the sunkens. Should be enough time to get mutas if that were placed at Lair, but no spire down, instead roach upgrades going on. Instead of reacting properly, Idra is on tilt, and just tries to all in with roach (vs siege tank????).

--
In both of these games, there were plenty of ways to have spotted and reacted to the builds.

In response to Idra's BM despite mediocre and inconsistent play, I can't wait until the korean scene marginalizes him.
hmm.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 03 2010 05:35 GMT
#260
On August 03 2010 11:03 tacrats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:
On August 03 2010 08:35 diesirae wrote:
On August 03 2010 04:48 Slow Motion wrote:
I'm sure all the Silver hate is completely justified. I mean where does he come off daring to play and beat someone who everyone KNOWS is better than him? I'm reminded of that one Terran who cheesed Bisu out of the OSL. I don't know what happened with that guy but I'm sure he's a nobody now, and hasn't contributed anything to Starcraft since then.

Also, I think Chapter 4 of Sun Tzu's Art of War says you must fight your opponent where he is strongest, or else you're a noob. I propose that in order to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, instead of playing games to see who wins we have a community vote on who is the strongest. That guy automatically wins.


HAHAHA. I created a TL account just to say how much I liked this post.

On topic, it's kind of absurd to keep arguing that TvZ is balanced, when it's widely acknowledged by players of all races that it isn't. Terran can wall themselves in and make ANY tech of their choosing on ONE goddamn base. Zerg's only chance against a decently played Terran is to expand everywhere and starve them out of resources, but that's assuming you can stop their turtle push.

Step one, as Idra said, is obviously to eliminate smart firing tanks.


1.Go ask TLO and day9. He says TvZ is balanced.


1. TLO plays terran (biased).
2. day9 doesnt even play much sc2



tlo plays tvz and zvt
that's like as unbiased as you can get
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