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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 02:38:00
July 24 2010 02:37 GMT
#2581
Stream is going all Z̦̩̭̯̐͌ͭ͒ͅA̲ͩ̂̄̀L̬̻̠͚͉̯ͦ̽G̣͓̤̳̓ͩO͖̱͈̞͙ͮͨ̈̽̚ on me.
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
July 24 2010 02:37 GMT
#2582
Gg stream
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 02:38:16
July 24 2010 02:37 GMT
#2583
On July 24 2010 11:35 UltraVires wrote:
The stream failing for anyone else?

Yeah

Edit: Now I wish he had done the huk lost chronicles match afterwards.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 02:38:56
July 24 2010 02:37 GMT
#2584
On July 24 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote:
I bet HuK wins!
You were right! In fact HuK ends up with more games won than the Ukrainian beast Dimaga, and HuK is technically the first foreigner in the tourney to break the Koreans.

So, I'd say qxc and HuK completely smashed their haters. All players deserved their place in this tournament, and no one is going home entirely empty-handed.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 24 2010 02:37 GMT
#2585
On July 24 2010 11:35 UltraVires wrote:
The stream failing for anyone else?


Yes! Its really really bad for me.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
July 24 2010 02:37 GMT
#2586
On July 24 2010 11:32 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 11:31 Mr.Eternity wrote:
Tester cheeses way too much against Huk because he knows he cant win otherwise

lol good one


Yeah dude, floor your a complete idiot, HuK is the cheesiest player around. He just got beat by his own game.
Being weak is a choice.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 24 2010 02:38 GMT
#2587
On July 24 2010 11:35 buKe wrote:
looks like tester was experimenting in game 2 and huk took adv. of it


Tester did the same thing in game 1 just zealots instead...
When I think of something else, something will go here
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
July 24 2010 02:38 GMT
#2588
On July 24 2010 11:35 UltraVires wrote:
The stream failing for anyone else?

sadly, yes :/
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
July 24 2010 02:38 GMT
#2589
The stream won't even load for me.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Adsee
Profile Joined May 2010
United States221 Posts
July 24 2010 02:38 GMT
#2590
On July 24 2010 11:35 buKe wrote:
looks like tester was experimenting in game 2 and huk took adv. of it


I doubt he would experiment with $3000 on the line.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#2591
On July 24 2010 11:37 Entropic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 11:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On July 24 2010 11:29 SubtleArt wrote:
On July 24 2010 11:17 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On July 24 2010 11:16 SubtleArt wrote:
Wow, this game definately favors 1 basing way more than BW did. Over half of the games in this tourney have been like 10 minutes long. Can we please have highground advantage back?


People haven't stamped out build orders and proper counters to early game. So lots of counters simply win the game outright because people haven't found the proper balance of their builds to prevent that type of thing.


It goes beyond that though. Theres just a lot of viable options on 1 base and u can mass more units on 1 base now than u could in brood war, partly due to all the macro mechanics. Early warpgate pushes for example are just deadly.

On top of that with no highground advantage its much much easier to win just by having more units. For example u can have like a 3 stalker advantage and just win by busting a ramp whereas in BW PvP ud need like a 10 dragoon advantage to bust 2 zealots and a few goons on a ramp. Basically now its super hard to defend without simply having more units, which is why 1 basing strats are so viable.

Also the games been out for over 4 months now, with so many top players constantly working out new builds, so we're slowly leaving the "don't worry, its just cause everyones clueless at the game" stage


I agree somewhat. While this game does have many more viable 1 base builds, there are not as many that will remain viable after timings and counters are really thought about. Further, arguing that we've been playing for 4 months is meaningless given how large many patch changes were. People will really learn how and when cutting workers is necessary, timing windows for failed attacks will mean people will stop doing earlier strategies as well. This kind of talk happened for years in BW and strategies kept evolving and ones that were once standard are outdated.

Just because we have more experience in RTS now doesn't mean all of the top players are simply gods and have worked out all of the kinks in their game and strategies.


People seriously forget how BW was 2001-2004.....


Most definitely. This perfect image of BW gets to everyone's heads.

Stream is also failing for me, btw.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Gridlock
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom517 Posts
July 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#2592
Help! STREMUUU plix
Mr.Eternity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States143 Posts
July 24 2010 02:39 GMT
#2593
By now you'd think Day[9] would have figured this out
"Because nobody can make it alone"
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
July 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#2594
On July 24 2010 11:39 Mr.Eternity wrote:
By now you'd think Day[9] would have figured this out

it has nothing to do with day9.... its just the high demand
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
July 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#2595
Guh, the stream is garbled and laggy. Please stop til it clears, I really want to see tlo and idra.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
July 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#2596
On July 24 2010 11:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 11:29 SubtleArt wrote:
On July 24 2010 11:17 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On July 24 2010 11:16 SubtleArt wrote:
Wow, this game definately favors 1 basing way more than BW did. Over half of the games in this tourney have been like 10 minutes long. Can we please have highground advantage back?


People haven't stamped out build orders and proper counters to early game. So lots of counters simply win the game outright because people haven't found the proper balance of their builds to prevent that type of thing.


It goes beyond that though. Theres just a lot of viable options on 1 base and u can mass more units on 1 base now than u could in brood war, partly due to all the macro mechanics. Early warpgate pushes for example are just deadly.

On top of that with no highground advantage its much much easier to win just by having more units. For example u can have like a 3 stalker advantage and just win by busting a ramp whereas in BW PvP ud need like a 10 dragoon advantage to bust 2 zealots and a few goons on a ramp. Basically now its super hard to defend without simply having more units, which is why 1 basing strats are so viable.

Also the games been out for over 4 months now, with so many top players constantly working out new builds, so we're slowly leaving the "don't worry, its just cause everyones clueless at the game" stage


I agree somewhat. While this game does have many more viable 1 base builds, there are not as many that will remain viable after timings and counters are really thought about. Further, arguing that we've been playing for 4 months is meaningless given how large many patch changes were. People will really learn how and when cutting workers is necessary, timing windows for failed attacks will mean people will stop doing earlier strategies as well. This kind of talk happened for years in BW and strategies kept evolving and ones that were once standard are outdated.

Just because we have more experience in RTS now doesn't mean all of the top players are simply gods and have worked out all of the kinks in their game and strategies.


Of course they haven't but theres quite a few reasonable and stable builds out right now. To summarize my argument really quickly: 1 base builds are much more common now because of lack of highground advantage. Whereas in BW you could expand / tech while surviving with fewer units than the oppoent, in Sc2 the only way to survive is to match his unit count. this is obviously a bit of an oversimplification but I feel that's what it boils down to, and thats why 1 base builds are so good now.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 02:41:06
July 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#2597
On July 24 2010 11:37 ckw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 11:32 floor exercise wrote:
On July 24 2010 11:31 Mr.Eternity wrote:
Tester cheeses way too much against Huk because he knows he cant win otherwise

lol good one


Yeah dude, floor your a complete idiot, HuK is the cheesiest player around. He just got beat by his own game.


You seem to have misunderstood what was happening there.
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 24 2010 02:41 GMT
#2598
On July 24 2010 11:35 buKe wrote:
looks like tester was experimenting in game 2 and huk took adv. of it


He got his gas stolen and tried to transition from that into an in-base pylon 3gate all-in.

It was a bad decision, especially since HuK saw that he transitioned to 3gate and checked for pylons with his first Stalker. You can't pull that transition off effectively except off of a gas steal that takes your first gas instead of your second - otherwise your warp tech is delayed too much to overrun the other guy, let alone when you're trying to win with a 1 warpgate disadvantage.
Like a G6
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 24 2010 02:41 GMT
#2599
On July 24 2010 11:37 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 11:28 holy_war wrote:
I bet HuK wins!
You were right! In fact HuK ends up with more games won than the Ukrainian beast Dimaga, and HuK is technically the first foreigner in the tourney to break the Koreans.

So, I'd say qxc and HuK completely smashed their haters.


mmm I didn't really see much qxc hate. As for the huk hate he kind of played to the expectation but that isn't really a big deal. Several of the games have been one base shit (tester's korea style 4gate, dimaga banelings) because that seems to be the least risky of the current strategy pool.
damore
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway11 Posts
July 24 2010 02:42 GMT
#2600
seems ok now
nice signature
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