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On July 23 2010 18:52 naniwa wrote:
well if ur a toss and u think tester was outplayed i can only asume that you're in copper.
Tester was for SURE in the lead after he hit back TLO's failed push that shouldve caused the GG right then and there...
The reason tester could not win with push is because siege tanks are ridiculously good not because TLo had some magical micro or macro.. for fuck sake.. see the reality -_-
Didn't TLO took out the nexus in tester his natural? Didn't TLO constantly harrass tester successfully? Didn't TLO had more bases at the end? Immortals vs tanks, who wins?
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Result tables after Day 5: + Show Spoiler +Poll: Day 6, Group A: qxc (T) vs IntoTheRainbow (T)0-2, WhiteRa advances (34) 65% 1-2, WhiteRa advances (8) 15% 2-1, qxc advances (7) 13% 2-0, qxc advances (3) 6% 52 total votes Your vote: Day 6, Group A: qxc (T) vs IntoTheRainbow (T) (Vote): 2-0, qxc advances
(Vote): 2-1, qxc advances
(Vote): 1-2, WhiteRa advances
(Vote): 0-2, WhiteRa advances
Note: The ordering rules in case of ties are unconfirmed, here's what I presume (as it's used in most sports leagues): + Show Spoiler +first priority the match difference / number of matches won/, then the game difference, then the number of games won, then the direct matches between two players:
1. Qxc loses 0:2 - WhiteRa advances, because of better game difference compared to him and Dimaga.
2. Qxc loses 1:2 - WhiteRa advances, because they are perfectly tied, but WhiteRa already beat Qxc in the direct match between them
3. Qxc wins - Qxc advances. Poll: Day 6, Group B: IdrA (Z) vs TheLittleOne (R)2-1, IdrA advances (24) 36% 1-2, TLO advances (24) 36% 0-2, TLO advances (12) 18% 2-0, IdrA advances (7) 10% 67 total votes Your vote: Day 6, Group B: IdrA (Z) vs TheLittleOne (R) (Vote): 2-0, IdrA advances
(Vote): 2-1, IdrA advances
(Vote): 1-2, TLO advances
(Vote): 0-2, TLO advances
Poll: TheLittleOne's race vs IdrA (Z), Bo3, Day 6Terran (46) 96% Zerg (1) 2% Random (1) 2% Protoss (0) 0% 48 total votes Your vote: TheLittleOne's race vs IdrA (Z), Bo3, Day 6 (Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Random
Note: TLO used Terran against the two Protoss players he faced so far, but he hasn't played against Zerg or Terran yet, and he likely has some preference against specific races. In the past, he has demonstrated the highest class of ability playing as Zerg and as Protoss too, while his main race on Phase 2's ladder has been Random (ref: http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/euranks.php ), same as Phase 1.
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TLO vs tester was so sad...
game 1: buildorder win .well done but boooring...
game 2: amazing in evry way. great play by both. games like this want me to see a tlo vs tester bo7 NAO.highly entertaining and really hard to see whos gonna take it till the very end.
game 3: perfect example why the voidray is a terrible unit(not overpowered! just horrible design wise). "oh a charged voidray.game over". it just destroys games and takes the fun out of the game.
still its good to see that tlo can play on equal footings vs tester. if the viking came out 5 secs faster / he hadnt lost the first viking he wouldve won the game.
well if ur a toss and u think tester was outplayed i can only asume that you're in copper.
Tester was for SURE in the lead after he hit back TLO's failed push that shouldve caused the GG right then and there...
The reason tester could not win with push is because siege tanks are ridiculously good not because TLo had some magical micro or macro.. for fuck sake.. see the reality -_-
he WAS outplayed. he lost his first nexus,was behind on eco and couldnt stop the harrassment EVRYWHERE of tlo. when flash does a harrass like that you would say "omg great play well done!". but since its sc2 and the bias its strong its suddenly "omg lame terran QQ".
if anything was stupid it was what you call "shoudlve caused gg". tester is behind on evrything ,builds 2 collosus and suddenly can almost kill him. not the few tanks that got raped by immortals. and btw tlos crisis management when tester contained/pushed him was AMAZING.
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losing game 3 was completely TLOs own fault, nothing wrong with the voidray.He could have had the viking way earlier (he was either supply blocked or simply forgot it, not sure anymore but one of those two). He was also not aware that bunker build time was 40 sec in that patch, which irritated him a bit^^
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Awesome games. Mostly the TLOvsTester second one then ^^. Killing the expo early and those drops is what won TLO the game. The other two losses were very unfortunate, when he went marine-heavy, mass stalkers ran him down, and when he went hellion/reaper/marauder, Tester went for the super fast VR. Very nice play by Tester the last game btw, tricking TLO into thinking he was chrono-boosting a stalker. Here's to hoping TLO pulls through.
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On July 23 2010 19:14 TBO wrote:
losing game 3 was completely TLOs own fault, nothing wrong with the voidray.He could have had the viking way earlier (he was either supply blocked or simply forgot it, not sure anymore but one of those two). He was also not aware that bunker build time was 40 sec in that patch, which irritated him a bit^^
ofc it was his fault. who else should there be to blame?
but i really really hate the voidray for games like that. it takes the fun out of the game. the "i has charged voidray campin in your base. i instawin!" mechanic just isnt good for the game. its boring and evry silver player can pull it off.
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On July 23 2010 19:03 Dente wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 18:52 naniwa wrote:
well if ur a toss and u think tester was outplayed i can only asume that you're in copper.
Tester was for SURE in the lead after he hit back TLO's failed push that shouldve caused the GG right then and there...
The reason tester could not win with push is because siege tanks are ridiculously good not because TLo had some magical micro or macro.. for fuck sake.. see the reality -_- Didn't TLO took out the nexus in tester his natural? Didn't TLO constantly harrass tester successfully? Didn't TLO had more bases at the end? Immortals vs tanks, who wins?
And tell me how can the protoss harass much better than Tester did? He could have phoenixs, but not only are they a somewhat big investment, they are a setback in case the 2 main armies fight, as he could have more critical units, and their harassment is not nearly as powerful besides sniping SCV's which late game can easily be replaceable. He had blink stalkers and used them on several ocasions. But his harass was mostly useless, because as you know they have crappy dps, and after a few seconds TLO's army would be there to destroy it. It's funny to see the difference in harass of the two races. TLO harasses by a marauder (4 marauders?) drop snipes a nexus in a few seconds, Tester with double the number of blink stalkers can only aim to destroy tech labs.  Warp prisms are ridiculously weak and costly, so transporting units is generally just too risky.
*Sigh.
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On July 23 2010 17:40 HowardRoark wrote:
TLOs Zerg was the best thing in the whole beta for me, so I mourn his switch from random to T. Second best is Idra zerg.
Agree about the TLO part... But Idra second best zerg? Hell no he can only macro like crazy.
Zerg ranking:
1) TLO
2) Dimaga
3) maybe Idra.
What i would really like to see is TLO harass with the new infestor. He was so godly with them in early beta... Just imagine what he could do with them now ;D
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The same could be said about DTs or Mutas or Colossi. There are plenty of units you instantly lose to if you don't counter them. There is nothing wrong with that.
EDIT:On July 23 2010 19:28 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 17:40 HowardRoark wrote:
TLOs Zerg was the best thing in the whole beta for me, so I mourn his switch from random to T. Second best is Idra zerg. Agree about the TLO part... But Idra second best zerg? Hell no he can only macro like crazy. Zerg ranking: 1) TLO 2) Dimaga 3) maybe Idra. What i would really like to see is TLO harass with the new infestor. He was so godly with them in early beta... Just imagine what he could do with them now ;D
If you talking about in the World then players like Cool/Sen are better than that list unfortunately.
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talking about west players.... if it was world idra wouldn't be in top 10 even
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The Tester vs TLO Game 2 was so good up to the point where TLO decides to go for BC´s, because all Protoss BC Counters are getting Dempsey rolled right now. The Mothership is complete worthless and overpriced, Carriers take serious dmg. when Vikings hit the field or targeted by Yamatos and the original intended Counter from Blizzard, the Void Ray, is unbelievable strong against any unit...except the BC because it´s getting sniped by a single Yamato Cannon. To assume that blinked Stalkers would save the Day, you probably never heard of Raven´s with PED´s and never consider that TLO could have pushed with alls his Marines, Siege tank´s etc. anyway.
Oh and I forgot....there are currently two rumours out in the last couple of months.
1.) As a Zerg player, you have to use the "immobility" of Terran Mech units and try to harass your opponent in order to win a TvZ game.
2.) The real Counter to BC´s are Void Rays in conjunction with High Templar´s + Feedback...
But these rumours hopefully getting crashed when the game comes out.
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Didn't TLO took out the nexus in tester his natural? Didn't TLO constantly harrass tester successfully? Didn't TLO had more bases at the end? Immortals vs tanks, who wins?
Immortals should be the hardcounter to tank afaik. but ofcourse they dont win.
TLO had more bases in the end yes, so what? that was not the point. the point was that tester had Gold and 3 bases when TLO had 2 and still managed to win which is absurd.
The reason TLO's "constant harass" worked. is because its so efficient to harass with a flying medic and click stimpack and still beat an army twice the size of the one u drop. you should probably not think its brilliance of TLO more than all the buffs terrans have gotten all over the patches.
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On July 23 2010 19:33 Frankon wrote:
talking about west players.... if it was world idra wouldn't be in top 10 even No idea what you base this on, but IdrA finished as the best Zerg on both Phase 1 and Phase 2 battle.net diamond ladders of the Beta:
Phase 1: http://sc2.178.com/bnranking/
Phase 2: http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/index.php
Commentators sometimes say that if the opponent has only 10 less workers than IdrA, that's like the most advantageous position they could hope to get from him. (lol) His economic timing optimizations involve inhuman amounts of hard work and practice.
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On July 23 2010 19:29 Numy wrote:
The same could be said about DTs or Mutas or Colossi. There are plenty of units you instantly lose to if you don't counter them. There is nothing wrong with that.
There is quite a difference between those units and a VR. You can actually make reinforcements or take defensive measures and ward off any of those units. If say a few mutas show up at your base you can make marines and put down some turrets, you'll take damage but you live. Not so with a VR. If you don't counter it immediately then it charges up and will destroy your base in record time and there is nothing you can do or make anymore to save you.
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Just like in chess, during the openings the hardworking shine, and during the endgame the smart shine.
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YES YES, my Fantasy League for today turned out correct. Miscalculated QXC vs. Dimaga's score though, and I really wasn't expecting TLO to get a game off Tester, so it's been updated:
On July 21 2010 20:42 dabom88 wrote:My Fantasy League. + Show Spoiler +Group Play Day 4 - July 21th 7PM PST
Group A: White-rA vs IntoTheRainbow - Tough call. Going by his showmatches vs. TLO, though, for now, I'm gonna have to give it to ITR 2-0.
Group B: Huk vs Tester - Tester unquestionably. Huk 0-3s and is eliminated.
Group Play Day 5 - July 22th 7PM PST
Group A: QXC vs Dimaga - QXC, though I don't think I'm familiar enough with either player to make an accurate call. For now, QXC 2-1.
Group B: Tester vs TheLittleOne. Tester, again unquestionably.
Group Play Day 6 - July 23th 7PM PST
Group A: Qxc vs IntoTheRainbow - ITR 2-0.
Group B: Idra vs TheLittleOne. Going by the previous results from the Altitude, Idra should have the advantage. I suspect this match to be REALLY close though, as I believe TLO probably got better since the ATL, as exhibited by his showmatches with White-rA. However, as much as I want TLO to win, I have not seen enough of TLO's Phase 2 TvZ to see any evidence that his TvZ has convincingly improved. So unless I see some amazing Phase 2 TLO TvZ replays, I'm probably gonna have to give this to Idra 2-1. Fantasy League Results (expected results in bold): + Show Spoiler +Group A:
1. IntoTheRainbow 3-0.
2. White-rA 1-2 (2-0, 1-2, 0-2. 3 Wins, 3 Losses total).
3. QXC 1-2 (0-2, 2-0, 0-2. 2 Wins, 4 Losses total)
4. Dimaga 1-2 (0-2, 2-1, 0-2. 2 Wins, 5 Losses total)
Group B:
1. Tester 3-0
2. Idra 2-1 (0-2, 2-1, 2-1. 4 Wins, 4 Losses total)
3. TheLittleOne 1-2 (2-1, 1-2, 1-2 . 4 Wins, 5 Losses total)
4. Huk 0-3
So the matchups will end up White-rA vs. Tester and Idra vs. IntoTheRainbow. Final Results: + Show Spoiler +Semifinals:
Tester vs. White-rA - Tester. Beat him in the Altitude and I think Tester simply has the superior PvP
IntoTheRainbow vs. Idra - IntoTheRainbow. He's Korean and Idra has a block against Korean. On a more serious note, i think ITR will probably prove to simply have the superior skills
Finals:
Tester vs. IntoTheRainbow - Tester. Simply because I'm more familiar with him and am aware of how strong his play is due to the Altitude Invitational. I have no idea how good ITR is, and in my mind, Tester is currently the best player in the world, leading me to believe that he will win the King of the Beta tournament.
King of the Beta Tournament Winner: Tester
2nd Place: IntoTheRainbow
As much as it pains me to say it, though, I'm expecting Idra to pull out against TLO tomorrow. I'm a HUGE fan of TLO, but I simply have not seen enough of his Phase 2 TvZ to really give me enough confidence that he'll beat Idra tomorrow. It would HUGELY make my day though to see TLO beat Idra. My absolute favorite player vs. one of my least favorite players.
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On July 23 2010 19:28 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 17:40 HowardRoark wrote:
TLOs Zerg was the best thing in the whole beta for me, so I mourn his switch from random to T. Second best is Idra zerg. Agree about the TLO part... But Idra second best zerg? Hell no he can only macro like crazy. Zerg ranking: 1) TLO 2) Dimaga 3) maybe Idra. What i would really like to see is TLO harass with the new infestor. He was so godly with them in early beta... Just imagine what he could do with them now ;D
Cool isn't in your list? :O whoa.
But TLO is a great zerg but I wouldn't put him as number 1
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@figq.
Idra needs his economy to quickly rebuild his A-move armies that get steam rolled
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+ Show Spoiler +To me TLO - Tester game 2 showed TLO totally abuse and demonstrate all the pros T has going for them atm. This is only to say WP from me, the game is there, and it is up to the players to make the best out of it. The other races are screaming to have the same wellroundedness of Terran though.
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On July 23 2010 19:59 Ghad wrote:+ Show Spoiler +To me TLO - Tester game 2 showed TLO totally abuse and demonstrate all the pros T has going for them atm. This is only to say WP from me, the game is there, and it is up to the players to make the best out of it. The other races are screaming to have the same wellroundedness of Terran though.
I just love how well done race Terran is. Even though it constantly gives me trouble I love how their units from tier 1 to late tier are viable. I envy that.
Zerg have does some not really viable units but their late tier is also pretty ok. Just not that much variety in mid tier.
Protoss late tier is a little question mark for me. Carriers have shown some use and mothership I can imagine as a good defencive unit.
+ Show Spoiler +Tester used it pretty ok in game 2
But the BC is hands down the best late tier unit. At least in my opinion.
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