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On May 25 2010 03:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 02:56 Newguy wrote:On May 25 2010 02:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:
With a little effort, you could've gotten a much better player list. Signing up your whole team and then random people that beg for a spot in a tl.net thread is kinda the ultimate laziness! How many people were actually invited, like 25%? I guess by the ro8/ro4 some good matches should be up anyway. Er, the player list looks pretty solid to me, there are lots of reputable players in there, and just because someone isn't well-known does not mean that they are poor players. For instance, look at neans, one of the invitees who 'begged for a spot' in this thread. I had no clue who he was before a week ago, and you may not know him either, but considering he was the #1 player in ELO on the ladder in patch 12, I would defintitely call him a good player. Yeah I'm not saying it's shit. It's just less than perfect. I mean, the point of this thread is to discuss the tournament, no? If there's some way it could be improved, this is exactly the appropriate spot to critique it. Not everything has to be read like it's personal and dramatic and shit. I'm just saying that if they wanted to invite better players, they could have. Mainly I'm thinking about the Euro players. If they didn't let any Euro players in, ok np, it's a NA tournament. But they did let some lesser known Euro players in, but they didn't get TLO white-ra dimaga demuslim etc etc?! Just seems lazy to me. Those players are willing to spend all day playing in a 100 euro Zotac/craftcup tournament, so this tournament ought to be worth it to them too. Who knows, maybe a lot of top people turned invites down and it just didn't work out. Maybe I'm just focusing on the word "invitational" too much. TL.net runs their invitationals a bit differently. If you look at the 32 players tl.net nabbed for their invitationals (16 for EU tournament, 16 for NA) it is obviously way more impressive than this. Why is this? I could have been more diplomatic than immediately saying it was laziness, but whatever.
we did invite TLO and top euro players and top Asian players TLO was busy today and other players too.
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On May 25 2010 03:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Who knows, maybe a lot of top people turned invites down and it just didn't work out.
On May 25 2010 03:24 Kuo wrote:
we did invite TLO and top euro players and top Asian players TLO was busy today and other players too.
Well that clears that up haha.
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you got Seacow so its all good
GO SEACOW wcr fightin!
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On May 25 2010 03:24 Kuo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 03:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:On May 25 2010 02:56 Newguy wrote:On May 25 2010 02:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:
With a little effort, you could've gotten a much better player list. Signing up your whole team and then random people that beg for a spot in a tl.net thread is kinda the ultimate laziness! How many people were actually invited, like 25%? I guess by the ro8/ro4 some good matches should be up anyway. Er, the player list looks pretty solid to me, there are lots of reputable players in there, and just because someone isn't well-known does not mean that they are poor players. For instance, look at neans, one of the invitees who 'begged for a spot' in this thread. I had no clue who he was before a week ago, and you may not know him either, but considering he was the #1 player in ELO on the ladder in patch 12, I would defintitely call him a good player. Yeah I'm not saying it's shit. It's just less than perfect. I mean, the point of this thread is to discuss the tournament, no? If there's some way it could be improved, this is exactly the appropriate spot to critique it. Not everything has to be read like it's personal and dramatic and shit. I'm just saying that if they wanted to invite better players, they could have. Mainly I'm thinking about the Euro players. If they didn't let any Euro players in, ok np, it's a NA tournament. But they did let some lesser known Euro players in, but they didn't get TLO white-ra dimaga demuslim etc etc?! Just seems lazy to me. Those players are willing to spend all day playing in a 100 euro Zotac/craftcup tournament, so this tournament ought to be worth it to them too. Who knows, maybe a lot of top people turned invites down and it just didn't work out. Maybe I'm just focusing on the word "invitational" too much. TL.net runs their invitationals a bit differently. If you look at the 32 players tl.net nabbed for their invitationals (16 for EU tournament, 16 for NA) it is obviously way more impressive than this. Why is this? I could have been more diplomatic than immediately saying it was laziness, but whatever. we did invite TLO and top euro players and top Asian players TLO was busy today and other players too.
Yeah and then it's a matter of catering to their schedules... how much did you adjust the date and time based on what was good for them?
My opinion is that it's not impossible to set up a more stacked 32 person line-up. So it was possible to do better. So at some point you just said "well this is good enough. we couldn't really fill out the whole bracket with invites, so let's just fill it out with sign-ups"
Anyway, whatever. As usual, any attempt at saying something useful that also involves saying something negative is always met with a bunch of cynicism and emotions and drama and other bullshit. If this was the best you could do, it was the best you could do. It's wayyyyyy better than nothing. I don't want to take any of these tournaments for granted. I get a grin on my face every time I see another one announced. I've only been playing in a small fraction of them so it's not even about me -- it's just cool to know they're there. But at some point, I thought "well let's make all these as badass as possible. if there's something less than perfect, it's ok to point it out by now" But then I realize it's the internet, etc.
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Most intelligent post I've read in a while. It's important to not interpret his post as an attack, but instead as constructive criticism for future tourneys. We all appreciate this tourney and the efforts of everyone involved, as he's already stated, so don't take it the wrong way
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We were restrained by time because Blizzard has stated it's taking down the beta, and we wanted to have it happen before beta closed.
Also, we have to avoid stepping on the toes of other tournaments that usually take place on the weekends. We decided to go with a Monday event.
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On May 25 2010 03:38 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 03:24 Kuo wrote:On May 25 2010 03:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:On May 25 2010 02:56 Newguy wrote:On May 25 2010 02:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:
With a little effort, you could've gotten a much better player list. Signing up your whole team and then random people that beg for a spot in a tl.net thread is kinda the ultimate laziness! How many people were actually invited, like 25%? I guess by the ro8/ro4 some good matches should be up anyway. Er, the player list looks pretty solid to me, there are lots of reputable players in there, and just because someone isn't well-known does not mean that they are poor players. For instance, look at neans, one of the invitees who 'begged for a spot' in this thread. I had no clue who he was before a week ago, and you may not know him either, but considering he was the #1 player in ELO on the ladder in patch 12, I would defintitely call him a good player. Yeah I'm not saying it's shit. It's just less than perfect. I mean, the point of this thread is to discuss the tournament, no? If there's some way it could be improved, this is exactly the appropriate spot to critique it. Not everything has to be read like it's personal and dramatic and shit. I'm just saying that if they wanted to invite better players, they could have. Mainly I'm thinking about the Euro players. If they didn't let any Euro players in, ok np, it's a NA tournament. But they did let some lesser known Euro players in, but they didn't get TLO white-ra dimaga demuslim etc etc?! Just seems lazy to me. Those players are willing to spend all day playing in a 100 euro Zotac/craftcup tournament, so this tournament ought to be worth it to them too. Who knows, maybe a lot of top people turned invites down and it just didn't work out. Maybe I'm just focusing on the word "invitational" too much. TL.net runs their invitationals a bit differently. If you look at the 32 players tl.net nabbed for their invitationals (16 for EU tournament, 16 for NA) it is obviously way more impressive than this. Why is this? I could have been more diplomatic than immediately saying it was laziness, but whatever. we did invite TLO and top euro players and top Asian players TLO was busy today and other players too. Yeah and then it's a matter of catering to their schedules... how much did you adjust the date and time based on what was good for them? My opinion is that it's not impossible to set up a more stacked 32 person line-up. So it was possible to do better. So at some point you just said "well this is good enough. we couldn't really fill out the whole bracket with invites, so let's just fill it out with sign-ups" Anyway, whatever. As usual, any attempt at saying something useful that also involves saying something negative is always met with a bunch of cynicism and emotions and drama and other bullshit. If this was the best you could do, it was the best you could do. It's wayyyyyy better than nothing. I don't want to take any of these tournaments for granted. I get a grin on my face every time I see another one announced. I've only been playing in a small fraction of them so it's not even about me -- it's just cool to know they're there. But at some point, I thought "well let's make all these as badass as possible. if there's something less than perfect, it's ok to point it out by now" But then I realize it's the internet, etc.
EDIT: Nevermind
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Brackets will be posted in a 2-3 minutes please hold on.
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I can tell you just from looking behind-the-scenes at some major tournaments, the tournament organizers have to be insanely persistent and nagging on every player they want in their tournament. Players are super lazy and forgetful and disorganized. Tournament organizers have to hunt down every email address / MSN / forum ID that they can find and bombard people with notices. It would be really nice if the players took the initiative but it can't be relied upon.
Anyway, I'll certainly be picking up this replay pack and enjoying the games of some of my fav players that are in this tournament =]
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Is there going to be some updated brackets or anything like that?
edit: woops, they're on the front page. 
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Brackets are on the front page of the VT site
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Brackets up on the vT site. They look interesting. Some hard games in the first round that I would of liked to see in the semi's or final, such as huk/moo etc. but i think the top half of the draw is the harder. Good luck all, getting a beer to sit down and watch 6 hours of SC 
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Sorry just showed up, internet was down, getting on beta now.
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doesnt say which maps are used in which round
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How are you supposed to contact your opponent with out their e-mail?
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Ok, I sent my email. I am currently installing the latest patch, because I got home and my internet was down (first time in months), so I drove to a friends house, but he hasn't played in a while so it has to download the patch, which it is doing now.
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On May 25 2010 04:10 Newguy wrote:
Ok, I sent my email. I am currently installing the latest patch, because I got home and my internet was down (first time in months), so I drove to a friends house, but he hasn't played in a while so it has to download the patch, which it is doing now.
understood we are waiting for you.
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