EPTFlipping out over a referee decision that you disagree with is a pretty common occurrence in sports, so I can understand Artosis's reaction. Slush did go 2-2 against Artosis, though.
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koppik
United States676 Posts
Flipping out over a referee decision that you disagree with is a pretty common occurrence in sports, so I can understand Artosis's reaction. Slush did go 2-2 against Artosis, though. | ||
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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KingV
United States97 Posts
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XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2
United States122 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: So as you are well aware of by now a disc occurred in game 3 of Slush vs Artosis. Artosis disced while he was ahead. Our regular policy for tournaments is that if you disc you can't get a win by just being ahead. If you are a 99/1 favorite to win the game we will not hand out a loss to the non-discing player. It's not his fault his chances to come back were taken away and he is completely innocent in the situation. However we also have the policy that if in the rare occasion a game is 100% won but the opponent didn't gg yet (weird as it may sound this does happen every now and then) we award the win to the player that had the game in the bag. Whoever disced. Well, there's the policy in writing folks. Glad it was clarified. But how can the opponent know when to gg? Was this really a situation where Slush could have gg'd but didn't? | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
Not because of making a right or wrong decision, but because they are so open, honest, and earnest about being the best tournament admins they can be. They can probably get away with not caring and not taking the time to really be fair, since we all know we would be loyal to TL either way, but they don't and you gotta love it. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
I love comebacks and love the never say die attitude, it is a true test of character to strive against all odds and succeed.Don't talk bad about slush for having this quality in his character. I agree with teletubby's decision that since slush still had over 100 supply and 3k in the bank (that buys a LOT of lings lol!) the game wasn't 100% but more importantly, TL has shown it's quality of character by doing everything they can to make amends with all parties concerned. I think in the future it may be prudent to extend any series in which something like this happens (ex. make a bo3 into a bo5) so that no one can say they weren't given an opportunity to have the match decided by skill and skill alone. Also Artosis, a person who creates content that I absolutely love, I'm very disappointed to hear how he acted,especially considering he knew before hand that this was a possibility and it was his end that had a problem. If you ever watch UFC, Dana white tells the fighters every time "Never leave it in the hands of the judges". Also enough of the talk of rematch and alternate universe B.S. there will be plenty more tourneys and I'm sure these two will meet again. It's only Beta afterall! We have many years of intense sc2 ahead, so smile and think about all we have yet to see!! | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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fiGGedyFliP
Germany21 Posts
so was artosis + mental advantage for slush advice for upcoming TL event players: if you think your losing or u get surprised by some cheese strat proxy or whatever, just disc on purpose. | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:36 KingV wrote: I remember after the MSL Finals that many people were pissed that Jaedong got the win, even though Flash had a small chance of recovering and people argued that Flash deserved a regame. This was a lose-lose situation for TL Staff. Except that was MBC's fault, artosis knew he had problems with lagging/disconnecting in the past. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
I'm glad that TL openly acknowledges that it was a terrible mistake. I was headed straight to Nony-town, but I think that's just because I lacked faith in TL. There is absolutely nothing anyone can ever do to give this back to Artosis. No one can ever give him what he deserves. I really feel terrible for him. Somehow this thread has become filled with hate (some even towards the victim! what the fuck is wrong with you people?). Slush will come to regret the decisions he made today, and no harm or ill that anyone wishes on him will do any worse than what he has set up for himself. People hating on Artosis... should seek mental help. Like a homeless person beaten, robbed, and butchered - and then the witnesses crowd around complaining about the stench his corpse makes. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:29 dew wrote: Slush's POV should be disregarded. He lost, and then manipulated a self-proclaimed newbie (who inexplicably got himself into a position to referee the game) into awarding him the regame, cheesing his way to the championship. If his title was stripped, I would fully support it, but I don't know if that's realistic or reasonable in any way. As the "self-proclaimed" newbie here, I want to clarify where you are mistaken. Slush did not manipulate a damn thing. Immediately after Artosis dropped, I talked to Slush. I simply needed to find out if he wished to concede (ie, feeling like he didn't have a chance), or wanted to put it in our hands. He felt at the time (obviously biased and without perfect information) that he still had a shot. He had units, and he had some minerals. At that point, it was in our hands. That's the second part where you're incorrect - I did not award a regame by myself. In fact, seeking to be as objective as possible, we quickly uploaded the replay and had several veteran/staff members review the replay (all the while, Slush is waiting quietly, not 'manipulating us' into giving him a regame). We came to a group consensus that a regame was the best option. Finally - It's not like allowing a regame completely discredits what Slush could do. Obviously, he beat two other very formidable opponents after the Artosis decision, so to say "cheesing his way to the championship" is doing him a severe disservice. Did Slush genuinely feel like he had a chance? Or did he know he had lost but was simply trying to see if he could get a second chance? Only one person truly knows. But either way, there are some ridiculous attempts to demonize and discredit the guy that I find are completely unfounded. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
advice for upcoming TL event players: if you think your losing or u get surprised by some cheese strat proxy or whatever, just disc on purpose. If you're losing and you disc you get a loss. If you're winning and your opponent discs you get a win. If you're winning and you disc you get a regame unless you couldn't lose anymore. If you're losing and he discs you will get a regame unless you couldn't win anymore. | ||
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
edit: I also think its sad that nony thinks it would be OK to take the win away from slush retroactively. Then you'd have two victims of poor decisions instead of one. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:46 fiGGedyFliP wrote: advice for upcoming TL event players: if you think your losing or u get surprised by some cheese strat proxy or whatever, just disc on purpose. It looks like Nazgul already responded to you, but you severely missed the point here. Lets assume the positions were reversed and Slush had disconnected - We would have called the game an Artosis victory in mere seconds. | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:53 artanis2 wrote: People are saying slush had over 100 supply at the end of the game, how can that possibly mean no chance of comeback? Way too much artosis fanboyism around here. edit: I also think its sad that nony thinks it would be OK to take the win away from slush retroactively. Then you'd have two victims of poor decisions instead of one. You kind of need to watch the replay to understand. I think they took the thread with the link down tho  | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: [ If you're losing and you disc you get a loss. If you're winning and your opponent discs you get a win. If you're winning and you disc you get a regame unless you couldn't lose anymore. If you're losing and he discs you will get a regame unless you couldn't win anymore. you should make this a sticky thread in tournies forum | ||
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Ursad0n
United States523 Posts
But my honest opinion is that Slush can keep his damn 300 bucks (and have tons of people hate him), but that we open up a place for people to donate money (stopping @ 300 bucks) and give it to Artosis because he was robbed. But before anyone thinks that i decided that Artosis was right and the admins fucked up, allow me to explain my point of view. 1. Artosis was right in his belief that he was robbed 2. Slush was wrong in his belief that he could have won 3. Slush (although, not bad mannered, because he did not technically do anything that was bad mannered, was an ass after that game and handled the situation as one) 4. The admins lost either way, if they said Artosis won, Slush would create this thread and say that he was jipped. On the other hand by giving the regame made it an unfair for Artosis. 5. I personally think that Artosis deserved the win and Slush is an ass. :D | ||
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