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Easy build to execute and works danm good. Watch the VOD and you'll see. Some players beaten with this build: Patience, Krr, ToD, and many gm barcodes. Follow me for more crazy stuff:
VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/lillekanin/c/4154561
http://www.twitch.tv/lillekanin
http://www.facebook.com/AiLillekanin
http://www.twitter.com/LillekaninSc2
Lillekanin's version of 2 rax 1 fac build:
Build order
10 depot
12 rax
13 gas
Scout at 2:15 with SCV
15 Orbital Command
15 rax - use same SCV
15 - 1 marine
16 reactor on barracks
16 depot
18 @100 gas proxy factory
20 non-stop marines
20 tech lab on 2nd rax
21 supply depot
@50 gas - concussive shells
constant marine marauders - cut SCVs if necessary
100% factory - fly factory into protoss main
rally mines into mineral line
Follow up with expanding, and 2 base scv allin ( check VOD)
The build has been done by serveral terrans even before FrozenImpact and if FrozenImapct is claiming that it is his build it is just a joke.
I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea. I found out quickly that yes u can kill the Protoss expo 90% of the times, but you didnt end the game. So i follow MY ALL IN build up with a 4 rax scv allin on 2 base.
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nice build i love proxy mines!
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This "it's my build" stuff is so stupid :D. Tons of people will have tried 2rax with a proxy factory before, so who cares who came up with it. Nobody really did.
But it's nice of you to write down the build and share the vod of your own variation. I'm sure it helps a lot of people and I would try it as terran  . We need more strategy talk these days!
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I'm learning the BO, looks cool.
What do you do if he denies your proxy factory ? Like found it before you land it on his main/keeps following your scv or finds your scv making the factory ? It's the only flaw I found in the meantime.
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This is an old build. No idea why either of you are trying earn credit for it.
Anyway: It is a fun build.
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On April 30 2014 04:34 Faust852 wrote:
I'm learning the BO, looks cool.
What do you do if he denies your proxy factory ? Like found it before you land it on his main/keeps following your scv or finds your scv making the factory ? It's the only flaw I found in the meantime.
On my stream im meeting such scenarios kinda often, but Theres a reaction to all of them.
If he scouts ur factory, and ur not able to land in his main: Simply just make widow mines and attack with ur bio force.
The most important thing about this build is: the 6 rines + 1 maruader at the beginning attacking the natural has to bait the nexuscanon. When nexuscanon is over u attack and kill the natural Expo ( as seen in the VOD)
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On April 30 2014 04:09 AiLillekanin wrote:
The build has been done by serveral terrans even before FrozenImpact and if FrozenImapct is claiming that it is his build it is just a joke.
Seems equally silly to name it after yourself then.
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On April 30 2014 04:48 RemarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 04:09 AiLillekanin wrote:
The build has been done by serveral terrans even before FrozenImpact and if FrozenImapct is claiming that it is his build it is just a joke.
Seems equally silly to name it after yourself then.
I just Refer to my name. It could as well be called " 2rax + 1fac Allin" But since i go scv allin afterwards i name it after me, since thats the special part.
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On April 30 2014 04:51 SatedSC2 wrote:
This is a good build, but the guide itself is very poor...
I can fill in more stuff, i just made it fast. But watching the VOD will help alot.
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What a douchebag. GTFO with this self promoting idea stealing BS. The guide isn't even of any quality whatsoever.
User was warned for this post
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The game you've presented there shows horrible play from the protoss perspective.
The place where u proxy the factory on Habitation Station is a pretty bad one, because any half-decent protoss will scout it with mothershipcore immediately.
A widowmine entered the mineral line of the toss but he had a reflex of a dead cat. Not to mention the lack of pylons in the correct positions to scout for anything proxied. Any GM protoss on EU would position pylons all around to gain vision of his entire main base.
And when demonstrating a 80+% build order which u claim to be "Lillekanin 2rax-1fac-all-in" make sure u dont perform it against subpar players like your opponent. I can make proxy tempests work in any match-up in low masters on NA - that doesnt mean it is an effective build.
And another thing - i've seen 95% similar builds done to me plenty of times before. Motok used to proxy a factory and float it in your base while pressuring with barracks on your natural way back in the hots beta. He can provide plenty of replays. Let's not talk about Frozenimpact's thread on reddit.
My few cents would be - attention is not the best thing to get if you are seeking it in the wrong way.
gl hf !
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Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl
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I don't give a shit who invented this build, i'm more grateful to Lilllekanin for sharing it than you FrozenImpact for keeping it for yourself.
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Builds don't have a copyright, but claiming that it's yours when it's obviously not is a pretty douchey thing to do, especially since you're obviously doing it to try to further promote yourself. You should just stop before you embarrass yourself further.
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Its not about using the build, its about going public with it with the same idea and theory i had behind it. Advertising it as being a 80-90% winrate build, having "created" it by yourself and not giving credit to other parties. In addition, your autistic behaviour in which you tried to karma farm it and let others know of this build that, in fact, you had great success with, is just an icing on the cake.
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On April 30 2014 06:12 2vs2 FrozenImpact wrote:
Its not about using the build, its about going public with it with the same idea and theory i had behind it. Advertising it as being a 80-90% winrate build, having "created" it by yourself and not giving credit to other parties. In addition, your autistic behaviour in which you tried to karma farm it and let others know of this build that, in fact, you had great success with, is just an icing on the cake.
I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea. I found out quickly that yes u can kill the Protoss expo 90% of the times, but you didnt end the game. So i follow MY ALL IN build up with a 4 rax scv allin on 2 base.
Do you even read?
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On April 30 2014 06:26 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl They don't. But stamping your name across something is a pretty silly thing to do if you got it from someone else. In fact, naming a build after yourself is always a silly thing to do...
Should i name it " Lillekanin's version of 2 rax 1 fac build " , would that make you happy xD?
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On April 30 2014 06:42 Kergy wrote:
I smell a grudge match
I support this
More StarCraft is better for any reason 
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Reading the name of the build, I thought it was a Hearthstone deck.
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On April 30 2014 06:38 AiLillekanin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 06:26 SatedSC2 wrote:On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl They don't. But stamping your name across something is a pretty silly thing to do if you got it from someone else. In fact, naming a build after yourself is always a silly thing to do... Should i name it " Lillekanin's version of 2 rax 1 fac build " , would that make you happy xD?
Maybe instead of being a child about it you could just say "2rax 1fac allin"
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Lillekanin writes:
He photoshopped the skype convo gj bro !
Thus, thereby implying that he didn't ask for the build/never got it for Frozenimpact.
But given this thread, it seems like the skype conversation afterall was true?
Source: http://www.reddit.com/user/Lillekanin
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who cares guys. just use his build if it works, just dont tune in to his stream.
Its gonna be a good life lesson for OP about integrity, intellectual honesty and the trust ppl put in you.
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just played against this 3 times in a row (i think many people read your thread :D ). Lost the first game, won next 2 and it was against 3 different players. Doesn't take much thinking to beat this build.
Toss sees you went 13 gas and your first unit out of barracks is a marine.
Scouting SCV never returns to base.
PROXY FAC!!!! The tricky part here is you don't know if terran made a second gas and went proxy thors. However robo counters both anyway.
cut probes, make 2 more gates and robo. only make probes if it doesn't interfere with unit production cycle
win
league: eu master
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LOL I remember Tod playing vs this build literally after his account was 100-1 on Europe server. Tod said yes the build will deny your expo almost every time but if you save probes, sack expo, defend at your ramp with zealot stalker sentry and tech behind it like dt or stargate you shouldn't be behind vs it.
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So can someone post video of protoss holding this. Even if its the old wol 2 rax. If i recall its sacking natural, getting 3 gates and a robo and counter attack for the win.
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so much ado about nothing 
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On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl
Very clever, wait......
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So are we in nursery school again?
Even if somebody copied something from somebody else, please settle it amongst yourselves…
Other than that I have the feeling that if this build would just get a little bit more common it would be easy to hold if the Protoss knows what he has to scout for.
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Regardless of the origin of the build etc would be cool to go into more detail about potential Protoss responses and how to deal with them.
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Grudgematch! Come on, the best way to settle this is with a bo7!
Let's do it!
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On April 30 2014 20:20 papaz wrote:
Grudgematch! Come on, the best way to settle this is with a bo7!
Let's do it!
Yeah and both are forced to do the 2rax, proxy factory EVERY game.
Only way we can get to know who really gets credited for the build ^^
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A tvt showmatch with a tvp build. Good logic here.
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On April 30 2014 06:15 AiLillekanin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 06:12 2vs2 FrozenImpact wrote:
Its not about using the build, its about going public with it with the same idea and theory i had behind it. Advertising it as being a 80-90% winrate build, having "created" it by yourself and not giving credit to other parties. In addition, your autistic behaviour in which you tried to karma farm it and let others know of this build that, in fact, you had great success with, is just an icing on the cake. I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea. I found out quickly that yes u can kill the Protoss expo 90% of the times, but you didnt end the game. So i follow MY ALL IN build up with a 4 rax scv allin on 2 base. Do you even read?
You could have atleast put his name in your story, that's what he is telling you. So yes he can read.
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On April 30 2014 22:29 Gianttt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 06:15 AiLillekanin wrote:On April 30 2014 06:12 2vs2 FrozenImpact wrote:
Its not about using the build, its about going public with it with the same idea and theory i had behind it. Advertising it as being a 80-90% winrate build, having "created" it by yourself and not giving credit to other parties. In addition, your autistic behaviour in which you tried to karma farm it and let others know of this build that, in fact, you had great success with, is just an icing on the cake. I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea. I found out quickly that yes u can kill the Protoss expo 90% of the times, but you didnt end the game. So i follow MY ALL IN build up with a 4 rax scv allin on 2 base. Do you even read? You could have atleast put his name in your story, that's what he is telling you. So yes he can read.
"I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea"
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He never gave me the buildorder (according to the Redditthread - Skypelog), so basically he deserves no naming on this build. He didnt give replays as he's mentioning but i simply looked at the match history screen and looked at BO and did my own version.
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On April 30 2014 21:22 agahamsorr0w wrote:
A tvt showmatch with a tvp build. Good logic here.
Yeah I thought I would stick to the thread because everything in here is absolutely logical.
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Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.
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On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.
Well if I saw Zest do an awesome build and wrote a guide about it, I would definitely feel weird to not mention that Zest did it, and even naming the build after myself, even if Zest never sent me a replay or even knew of my excistence
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On April 30 2014 23:10 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case. Well if I saw Zest do an awesome build and wrote a guide about it, I would definitely feel weird to not mention that Zest did it, and even naming the build after myself, even if Zest never sent me a replay or even knew of my excistence
dunno, if you can write a guide about someone elses build by just knowing that he opens with 2 rax, you gotta be one great mind reader
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On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.
Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build.
On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl
This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/
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This is a serious problem you're pointing out Lillekanin, nobody should be able to steal someone else build like this guy did. Where are we going if I can just steal anybody's build to play ladder because I think it looks cool without even giving credit to him ? I think we should have a organisation that would register build order copyright. And then every time a player uses this build in a broadcasted showmatch he or his team has to pay the rights ! That's much better that people naming builds after whoever is famous for using them. The name of the first personn who came up with it is SO much more important !
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On April 30 2014 23:20 KalinovSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case. Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/
what? he wrote a guide for a build, a guide that noone else wrote nor helped him to write. He did all the work himself. If you have a similar build with the same opening, of which lillekanin based his build and guide: tough shit. Maybe if you weren't such a dick about it, he WOULD have credited you.
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On April 30 2014 23:44 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 23:20 KalinovSC2 wrote:On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case. Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build. On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/ what? he wrote a guide for a build, a guide that noone else wrote nor helped him to write. He did all the work himself. If you have a similar build with the same opening, of which lillekanin based his build and guide: tough shit. Maybe if you weren't such a dick about it, he WOULD have credited you.
Okay so first off I'm not involved. This is my take of the situation after reading the threads regarding this situation. My whole point was it seems silly to try to "copyright" a build in general.
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On April 30 2014 22:42 AiLillekanin wrote:
He never gave me the buildorder (according to the Redditthread - Skypelog), so basically he deserves no naming on this build. He didnt give replays as he's mentioning but i simply looked at the match history screen and looked at BO and did my own version.
But skypelog was photoshopped, right? At least that's what you wrote in the reddit thread.
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Yeah the Frozen guy totally photoshopped a conversation to make it clear that he hadn't actually given Lillekanin any tips as to the build lol...
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On April 30 2014 23:54 KalinovSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 23:44 nkr wrote:On April 30 2014 23:20 KalinovSC2 wrote:On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case. Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build. On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/ what? he wrote a guide for a build, a guide that noone else wrote nor helped him to write. He did all the work himself. If you have a similar build with the same opening, of which lillekanin based his build and guide: tough shit. Maybe if you weren't such a dick about it, he WOULD have credited you. Okay so first off I'm not involved. This is my take of the situation after reading the threads regarding this situation. My whole point was it seems silly to try to "copyright" a build in general.
when i say "you" i don't mean you specifically, it's more a way of speaking
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I think naming the build after his name is bullshit.. the build is not something really clever nor its something that no one already came up with. I think alot of terrans used that build already. so calling it your very own build is pretty dumb as long as its not really innovative which is really hard in sc2 right now.
If every low-mid gm player would claim a build his own because he makes little adjustments to the build, we would litterally have thousands of builds named after players.
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I never claimed the build to me MINE. I just wrote "Player name Content". To even sort it out, i wrote "Lillekanin version of the 2 rax + 1 fac build".
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And why is it even a problem to put my name infront of the build? Since i wrote down the BO, and i made a VOD and i made the thread to share it with you guys.So there should be no problem with me putting my name infront of the build since it's my guide.
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On May 01 2014 01:32 AiLillekanin wrote:
I never claimed the build to me MINE. I just wrote "Player name Content". To even sort it out, i wrote "Lillekanin version of the 2 rax + 1 fac build".
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And why is it even a problem to put my name infront of the build? Since i wrote down the BO, and i made a VOD and i made the thread to share it with you guys.So there should be no problem with me putting my name infront of the build since it's my guide.
The ESEX article summed this up perfectly.
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On May 01 2014 01:47 KalinovSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 01:32 AiLillekanin wrote:
I never claimed the build to me MINE. I just wrote "Player name Content". To even sort it out, i wrote "Lillekanin version of the 2 rax + 1 fac build".
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And why is it even a problem to put my name infront of the build? Since i wrote down the BO, and i made a VOD and i made the thread to share it with you guys.So there should be no problem with me putting my name infront of the build since it's my guide. The ESEX article summed this up perfectly.
Here in case people are wondering what he's referring to
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AiLillekanin,
Dude, seriously? for your own sake, let it go.
Not sure if you realise this, but most people here are mocking you, severely.
You even have an ESEX article written about you (Props btw, that's pretty impressive)
While I find this whole thing hilarious, you're not doing yourself any favours.
Let it go man
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On May 01 2014 02:13 WiggyB wrote:
AiLillekanin,
Dude, seriously? for your own sake, let it go.
Not sure if you realise this, but most people here are mocking you, severely.
You even have an ESEX article written about you (Props btw, that's pretty impressive)
While I find this whole thing hilarious, you're not doing yourself any favours.
Let it go man
Fight till the end !
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This build is really nice, i showed my brother this and he actually started to beat protoss players and advanced from diamond to masters league! Thx lillekanin for sharing it with the community.
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What happened to people naming builds something interesting. Bring back cool names like "The Ice Fisher". That shit was cool, and a name to fight over.
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On May 01 2014 02:13 WiggyB wrote:
AiLillekanin,
Dude, seriously? for your own sake, let it go.
Not sure if you realise this, but most people here are mocking you, severely.
You even have an ESEX article written about you (Props btw, that's pretty impressive)
While I find this whole thing hilarious, you're not doing yourself any favours.
Let it go man
No please don't let it go.
Go all the way and end with a grudge match. PLEASE.
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oh wow awesome to see a pro posting a build! thanks :D
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On May 01 2014 03:55 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:13 WiggyB wrote:
AiLillekanin,
Dude, seriously? for your own sake, let it go.
Not sure if you realise this, but most people here are mocking you, severely.
You even have an ESEX article written about you (Props btw, that's pretty impressive)
While I find this whole thing hilarious, you're not doing yourself any favours.
Let it go man No please don't let it go. Go all the way and end with a grudge match. PLEASE.
Yeah screw it...
Ummmm.... Don't let that scum bag take that build away from you man! You've earned the right for some quantifiable eFame and Internet monies!
Take this all the way! Grudge match! Best of 7!
The loser must delete the knowledge of this fantastic build from there brain or face harsh fines! I'm talking at least 4 legendary hearthstone cards! No messing about.
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On May 01 2014 04:06 y0su wrote:
oh wow awesome to see a pro posting a build! thanks :D
Just because Lillekanin is an awful scrub, there's no reason to be mean and toxic about it by posting ironic comments like that! Manner up, please.
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I can't trust all these skypelogs anymore. Probably photoshopped.
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Lillekanin copied parts of the build and changed / perfected it to his own will.
its his version of a 2 rax 1 factory allin.
i got allined like that a lot before, but his build is more refined than any other and simply different.
why wouldnt he call it HIS build, when he is literally the only one doing it like that?
I would call it "my" build/guide anytime if i were to write down a guide - simply because its how i play it. it doesnt mean anyone else isnt playing it like that as well.
I dont see why somone gets mad because he didnt get the fame he thinks he deserves. He was free to post his version of the build before Lillekanin did - and im very sure it wouldve been quite different.
Lillekanin is a smart player, probably the best 2on2 player on europe and usually VERY friendly ingame.
Why do random people call him out now for posting a build he refined on his own?
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page 4 and this is still happening?
it's a fucking build. anyone can do any build they want and post a guide on it if they think they're good at it. can't we keep this out of the strategy forum?
i don't just blame the OP but the myriad people who are reveling in this stupid pointless drama and taking sides. let's not turn into a community of avilos
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A clever writer would give "credit" to some Korean pro while plastering his name everywhere else.
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On May 01 2014 08:25 Waise wrote:
page 4 and this is still happening?
it's a fucking build. anyone can do any build they want and post a guide on it if they think they're good at it. can't we keep this out of the strategy forum?
i don't just blame the OP but the myriad people who are reveling in this stupid pointless drama and taking sides. let's not turn into a community of avilos
This is not an issue of keeping it out of the strategy forum. This is Team Liquid. This is what goes on most of the time on this website, just people bashing others without a real reason to do so. And then I read your full post......You are just like the rest I guess.
If someone is worried about another person "stealing" their build, they should post that shit faster. CASE CLOSED.
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On May 01 2014 09:08 Ouija wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 08:25 Waise wrote:
page 4 and this is still happening?
it's a fucking build. anyone can do any build they want and post a guide on it if they think they're good at it. can't we keep this out of the strategy forum?
i don't just blame the OP but the myriad people who are reveling in this stupid pointless drama and taking sides. let's not turn into a community of avilos This is not an issue of keeping it out of the strategy forum. This is Team Liquid. This is what goes on most of the time on this website, just people bashing others without a real reason to do so. And then I read your full post......You are just like the rest I guess. If someone is worried about another person "stealing" their build, they should post that shit faster. CASE CLOSED.
avilo has a well known and documented history of derailing threads to point out that he used certain strategies before others did. so it was perfectly relevant, made a point and had nothing to do with "bashing others without a real reason". it was a logical comparison/silly joke in a thread that's already horrible
the whole point of saying "keep it out of the strategy forum" is that i'm aware TL is full of drama, and that's fine as human beings will argue and disagree, but the issue of who invented a build doesn't help anyone who comes to a strategy forum looking for tips and help on their starcraft play
this will be my last post so i don't further make a hypocrite of myself and continue bumping a thread that serves no purpose, if you want to continue this you can PM me, but i can't imagine what the point of that would be either
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Well maybe ppl should discuss the build instead of the name.
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How stupid. Why all the hate? He took the time to create the thread, post an instructional VOD, what gives? I didn't get the sense that he was copyrighting his name to the build, simply giving himself some credit for taking the time to create the thread. All of this finger pointing and bashing is beyond childish, plain and simple.
It's a ladder build and to be quite frank, i'm sure some Korean did it way before anyone else. It's not about who owns what, it's about the effort put forth to help the Terran community.
Thanks for the build and VOD especially, you do a really nice job explaining the specific timings, things that are crucial in having success with the build.
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pretty fun build, hopefully we can find some more aggressive openers vs protoss. thank you for sharing it.
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On May 02 2014 06:00 MattMannion wrote:
pretty fun build, hopefully we can find some more aggressive openers vs protoss. thank you for sharing it.
Thank you. I also gonna publish another 1 base allin vs protoss soon :-)
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As much as I don't like lille he is just sharing a build that you never bothered to and now your getting butthurt because you wanted to keep it to yourself and act like your above everyone for a build you never made up. This build concept is too simple even for you. Stop trying to get your dick prints all over everything impact. I like how you want credit for something as stupid as this and at the same time avoiding the credit for the stupid self account boosting you did in your AT with anai to get on the board to get attention. Your very selective on the credit you want to receive.
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On May 01 2014 02:23 kraggy wrote:
This build is really nice, i showed my brother this and he actually started to beat protoss players and advanced from diamond to masters league! Thx lillekanin for sharing it with the community.
From Denmark (same as LilleKanin)
Low post count (same as Lillekanin)
Said something that was only positive
Obviously a friend of his who is trying to be nice. I'd stop with it though since Lillekanin already made himself look like a clown in this whole ''incident''.
On a posititve note from ME: I'll try this build out. It seems good.
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Too much e-fame ruins people.
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That ESEX article was quite funny.
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"oh look at this very original build i'm naming after myself oh and if anyone else tries to claim credit for it it was actually used in wings way before they used it too but its still my build"
get out plagiarizer.
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Oh please people... If we advertise Starcraft by saying that it has most mature fanbase out of big eSports games, this s not the mature fanbase...
If you guys go full drama on one name on some build that may work on ladder, but propably will never get used on high scale tournament that is watched by 50 000+ people and even then casters propably don't say that "omg it is build by Lillekanin" maybe just say that it is 2rax i factory build.
This has been happening all the time... people have took some build they have used and maybe someone else and may have put their name on TL thread, and nobody gave a shit..
Did anyone of you gave enough shits to make huge drama when you told a joke to your friedn and then the friend told that to rest of the people. I don't think that you did... Mature up please.
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seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up.
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On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up.
Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse.
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On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse.
An aspect of maturity IS letting insignificant things slide however.
This pretty much represents the definition of insignificant, as neither the 'aggriever' or the 'aggrieved' stands to benefit in any meaningful way from 'winning'.
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On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse.
did you make that one up? its clever.
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On May 07 2014 02:57 B-rye88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. An aspect of maturity IS letting insignificant things slide however. This pretty much represents the definition of insignificant, as neither the 'aggriever' or the 'aggrieved' stands to benefit in any meaningful way from 'winning'.
If you were to create a build that actually works and someone copied it from you and called it his, would you be happy about that? Would you not discuss? Would you just let such asshole move slip? Somehow people seem to think that having no backbone is maturity.
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On May 07 2014 18:22 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:57 B-rye88 wrote:On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. An aspect of maturity IS letting insignificant things slide however. This pretty much represents the definition of insignificant, as neither the 'aggriever' or the 'aggrieved' stands to benefit in any meaningful way from 'winning'. If you were to create a build that actually works and someone copied it from you and called it his, would you be happy about that? Would you not discuss? Would you just let such asshole move slip? Somehow people seem to think that having no backbone is maturity.
I agree with this. You should never let ppl walk over you.
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I cannot believe how many idiots is in SC2 community. Guy made a post about build order, and now people instead of talking about build, it pros and cons, talk about build name and who come up first with it.
This thread ephitomizes what is wrong with many SC2 community members.
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On May 07 2014 18:22 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:57 B-rye88 wrote:On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. An aspect of maturity IS letting insignificant things slide however. This pretty much represents the definition of insignificant, as neither the 'aggriever' or the 'aggrieved' stands to benefit in any meaningful way from 'winning'. If you were to create a build that actually works and someone copied it from you and called it his, would you be happy about that? Would you not discuss? Would you just let such asshole move slip? Somehow people seem to think that having no backbone is maturity.
2 rax 1 factory goes all the way back to 2010. So what if someone discussed a form of the build. You can't seriously think that one person who claims to own this build is seriously wronged by this thread. He is simply trying to give struggling Terrans a build order they may of not heard of.
To think that some guy named FrozenImpact created this build and all credit should be given to him is just silly and ridiculous. I played SC2 for a year and a half before I even heard of Team Liquid or Reddit, and I can promise you I tried to do a 2 rax, 1 factory build. Are you saying that I too stole someones idea? When I had no chance of knowing someone was claiming it? Do you see how silly this is?
Grow up.
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http://sc2planner.com/?v=hots#TaaaaoEaaoFoDaacaoCloEoFfaoQaaoIaoEoPjiZaoEakfjiZaiHjiZk
A few ideas to throw around:
1). Make Marines until you have scouted no stargate > switch to reactor Mines?
2). Two Marauder production with Shells would require two Refineries.
3). The usual one base follow-up to any one base is 3/1/1 timing attack with 2-3 Siege Tanks.
The idea with a Minefield should be to camp Protoss's Gateways, etc. making it impossible to build units, Mines take too long to produce to make the proxy worth it so if you are proxying I recommend Marauders at the front with Bunkers and Hellions in Protoss base. WoL standard.
On May 07 2014 22:43 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 18:22 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:57 B-rye88 wrote:On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. An aspect of maturity IS letting insignificant things slide however. This pretty much represents the definition of insignificant, as neither the 'aggriever' or the 'aggrieved' stands to benefit in any meaningful way from 'winning'. If you were to create a build that actually works and someone copied it from you and called it his, would you be happy about that? Would you not discuss? Would you just let such asshole move slip? Somehow people seem to think that having no backbone is maturity. 2 rax 1 factory goes all the way back to 2010. So what if someone discussed a form of the build. You can't seriously think that one person who claims to own this build is seriously wronged by this thread. He is simply trying to give struggling Terrans a build order they may of not heard of. To think that some guy named FrozenImpact created this build and all credit should be given to him is just silly and ridiculous. I played SC2 for a year and a half before I even heard of Team Liquid or Reddit, and I can promise you I tried to do a 2 rax, 1 factory build. Are you saying that I too stole someones idea? When I had no chance of knowing someone was claiming it? Do you see how silly this is? Grow up.
If I remember right, I think it was HopeTorture/IntotheRainbow, who came up with this build and made Banshee openings standard in TvT. But that was AGES ago, NEWFLASH, almost every idea in SC comes from the casual scene and develops in the Professional scene into workable ideas, see the first proper build in WoL was the Zatic build and see how that looked when it first came out, first season Stimpack rush is standard TvP. Meh
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On May 07 2014 05:14 MattMannion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. did you make that one up? its clever.
We should name it after him, we could say that you have just been Karpfenned.
But seriously, is the build any good? What are peoples experience with it?
And has anyone complained that he put [TvsP] in the title - who the hell says it that way - its TvP - noob 
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On May 07 2014 18:22 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 02:57 B-rye88 wrote:On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. An aspect of maturity IS letting insignificant things slide however. This pretty much represents the definition of insignificant, as neither the 'aggriever' or the 'aggrieved' stands to benefit in any meaningful way from 'winning'. If you were to create a build that actually works and someone copied it from you and called it his, would you be happy about that? Would you not discuss? Would you just let such asshole move slip? Somehow people seem to think that having no backbone is maturity.
Would I let the move slip? Yeap. Because neither frozen nor liillekanin will ever get anything out of this but self-importance and e-fame among perhaps 1,000 people. Woop-de-fucking doo. It's of absolutely zero-import, and the people blowing it up are small-minded, inflammatory, and not worthy of attention.
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omg why are you guys still complaining, holy shit lol.
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On May 08 2014 03:04 DeadByDawn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 05:14 MattMannion wrote:On May 07 2014 02:49 Karpfen wrote:On May 07 2014 02:30 MattMannion wrote:
seriously though, just take the advice in the thread and use it or not. if you don't like it or something about it, then ignore it. the only thing you guys know how to do in the sc2 community is make small thing into large things via bitching. as the man said about me, mature up. Sorry, one is not mature because he lets bad acts slip. Get off your low horse. did you make that one up? its clever. We should name it after him, we could say that you have just been Karpfenned. But seriously, is the build any good? What are peoples experience with it? And has anyone complained that he put [TvsP] in the title - who the hell says it that way - its TvP - noob
Yea it's a good option vs Protoss. It's timing specific so I would recommend watching the vod he linked. Things like supply block will kill this build entirely.
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[Banner with OPs name on. Nothing else.]
[2 lines about how good the build is.]
[link to VOD on OPs twitch]
[link to OPs twitch channel]
[link to OPs facebook]
[link to OPs twitter]
[List of BO up to 21 supply, with OPs name as title]
[31 words (yes I counted them ) about what to do after 21 supply]
[Bashing other guy]
[Another paragraph bashing other guy]
It is great if you want to do great guides, help people and gain followers that way. But you put almost no effort at all into the guide and spam your name and links all over, taking a lot more space than the build itself. Independently of any childish fights for intellectual rights, the OP isn't really up to scratch for TL strategy guide, and is probably quite a bit to much self-advertisement for a relatively new poster. I'm a bit surprised that it is still open actually.
So if you want people to actually get a good impression of you, I'd recommend removing all the self-advertisement and flesh out the guide A LOT. What is the purpose of the build? What levels is it good at? When can I do it? What maps is it good at? How should I react to the toss build? How can/should the toss react? How can I counter follow-ups the toss can make? What parts are the most important in execution? etc.
As a team player (at looow level), and I know you are too, I'd also be interested how this works in 2v2 or 3v3. What to do differently, etc.
Then, if you do that properly (and only then!) you can put a short(!) note at the end that you'd be happy if people checked out your stream. Maybe even give some credit to your ex-friend for "valuable discussion", who knows?
Or, you can continue to fight a childish fight about who made exactly what minor changes and follow-ups to an archaeological build. Choice is yours. hfhf.
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On May 08 2014 22:58 Cascade wrote:[Banner with OPs name on. Nothing else.] [2 lines about how good the build is.] [link to VOD on OPs twitch] [link to OPs twitch channel] [link to OPs facebook] [link to OPs twitter] [List of BO up to 21 supply, with OPs name as title] [31 words (yes I counted them ) about what to do after 21 supply] [Bashing other guy] [Another paragraph bashing other guy] It is great if you want to do great guides, help people and gain followers that way. But you put almost no effort at all into the guide and spam your name and links all over, taking a lot more space than the build itself. Independently of any childish fights for intellectual rights, the OP isn't really up to scratch for TL strategy guide, and is probably quite a bit to much self-advertisement for a relatively new poster. I'm a bit surprised that it is still open actually. So if you want people to actually get a good impression of you, I'd recommend removing all the self-advertisement and flesh out the guide A LOT. What is the purpose of the build? What levels is it good at? When can I do it? What maps is it good at? How should I react to the toss build? How can/should the toss react? How can I counter follow-ups the toss can make? What parts are the most important in execution? etc. As a team player (at looow level), and I know you are too, I'd also be interested how this works in 2v2 or 3v3. What to do differently, etc. Then, if you do that properly (and only then!) you can put a short(!) note at the end that you'd be happy if people checked out your stream. Maybe even give some credit to your ex-friend for "valuable discussion", who knows? Or, you can continue to fight a childish fight about who made exactly what minor changes and follow-ups to an archaeological build. Choice is yours. hfhf.
So many condescending 's I could throw up.
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On May 08 2014 23:45 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 23:42 Ctone23 wrote:On May 08 2014 22:58 Cascade wrote:[Banner with OPs name on. Nothing else.] [2 lines about how good the build is.] [link to VOD on OPs twitch] [link to OPs twitch channel] [link to OPs facebook] [link to OPs twitter] [List of BO up to 21 supply, with OPs name as title] [31 words (yes I counted them ) about what to do after 21 supply] [Bashing other guy] [Another paragraph bashing other guy] It is great if you want to do great guides, help people and gain followers that way. But you put almost no effort at all into the guide and spam your name and links all over, taking a lot more space than the build itself. Independently of any childish fights for intellectual rights, the OP isn't really up to scratch for TL strategy guide, and is probably quite a bit to much self-advertisement for a relatively new poster. I'm a bit surprised that it is still open actually. So if you want people to actually get a good impression of you, I'd recommend removing all the self-advertisement and flesh out the guide A LOT. What is the purpose of the build? What levels is it good at? When can I do it? What maps is it good at? How should I react to the toss build? How can/should the toss react? How can I counter follow-ups the toss can make? What parts are the most important in execution? etc. As a team player (at looow level), and I know you are too, I'd also be interested how this works in 2v2 or 3v3. What to do differently, etc. Then, if you do that properly (and only then!) you can put a short(!) note at the end that you'd be happy if people checked out your stream. Maybe even give some credit to your ex-friend for "valuable discussion", who knows? Or, you can continue to fight a childish fight about who made exactly what minor changes and follow-ups to an archaeological build. Choice is yours. hfhf. So many condescending 's I could throw up. They're right about the quality of the guide, though. This is a very low quality guide. If I were to compare this guide to my worst guide then I'd say my worst guide comes out on top quite easily, and the guides I've written are nowhere near as high in quality as some of the stuff the TLStrategy guys put out.
Wouldn't you be a little biased to call your guide better than his ?
Seriously, this is ridiculous. First, he is a thief, next, he is a poor guide writer.
Haters gonna hate man...
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On May 09 2014 00:26 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 23:45 SatedSC2 wrote:On May 08 2014 23:42 Ctone23 wrote:On May 08 2014 22:58 Cascade wrote:[Banner with OPs name on. Nothing else.] [2 lines about how good the build is.] [link to VOD on OPs twitch] [link to OPs twitch channel] [link to OPs facebook] [link to OPs twitter] [List of BO up to 21 supply, with OPs name as title] [31 words (yes I counted them ) about what to do after 21 supply] [Bashing other guy] [Another paragraph bashing other guy] It is great if you want to do great guides, help people and gain followers that way. But you put almost no effort at all into the guide and spam your name and links all over, taking a lot more space than the build itself. Independently of any childish fights for intellectual rights, the OP isn't really up to scratch for TL strategy guide, and is probably quite a bit to much self-advertisement for a relatively new poster. I'm a bit surprised that it is still open actually. So if you want people to actually get a good impression of you, I'd recommend removing all the self-advertisement and flesh out the guide A LOT. What is the purpose of the build? What levels is it good at? When can I do it? What maps is it good at? How should I react to the toss build? How can/should the toss react? How can I counter follow-ups the toss can make? What parts are the most important in execution? etc. As a team player (at looow level), and I know you are too, I'd also be interested how this works in 2v2 or 3v3. What to do differently, etc. Then, if you do that properly (and only then!) you can put a short(!) note at the end that you'd be happy if people checked out your stream. Maybe even give some credit to your ex-friend for "valuable discussion", who knows? Or, you can continue to fight a childish fight about who made exactly what minor changes and follow-ups to an archaeological build. Choice is yours. hfhf. So many condescending 's I could throw up. They're right about the quality of the guide, though. This is a very low quality guide. If I were to compare this guide to my worst guide then I'd say my worst guide comes out on top quite easily, and the guides I've written are nowhere near as high in quality as some of the stuff the TLStrategy guys put out. Wouldn't you be a little biased to call your guide better than his ? Seriously, this is ridiculous. First, he is a thief, next, he is a poor guide writer. Haters gonna hate man...
To be fair, the written guide isn't a beauty. There are no benchmarks, attack timings or replays.
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On May 09 2014 02:05 tar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 00:26 Ctone23 wrote:On May 08 2014 23:45 SatedSC2 wrote:On May 08 2014 23:42 Ctone23 wrote:On May 08 2014 22:58 Cascade wrote:[Banner with OPs name on. Nothing else.] [2 lines about how good the build is.] [link to VOD on OPs twitch] [link to OPs twitch channel] [link to OPs facebook] [link to OPs twitter] [List of BO up to 21 supply, with OPs name as title] [31 words (yes I counted them ) about what to do after 21 supply] [Bashing other guy] [Another paragraph bashing other guy] It is great if you want to do great guides, help people and gain followers that way. But you put almost no effort at all into the guide and spam your name and links all over, taking a lot more space than the build itself. Independently of any childish fights for intellectual rights, the OP isn't really up to scratch for TL strategy guide, and is probably quite a bit to much self-advertisement for a relatively new poster. I'm a bit surprised that it is still open actually. So if you want people to actually get a good impression of you, I'd recommend removing all the self-advertisement and flesh out the guide A LOT. What is the purpose of the build? What levels is it good at? When can I do it? What maps is it good at? How should I react to the toss build? How can/should the toss react? How can I counter follow-ups the toss can make? What parts are the most important in execution? etc. As a team player (at looow level), and I know you are too, I'd also be interested how this works in 2v2 or 3v3. What to do differently, etc. Then, if you do that properly (and only then!) you can put a short(!) note at the end that you'd be happy if people checked out your stream. Maybe even give some credit to your ex-friend for "valuable discussion", who knows? Or, you can continue to fight a childish fight about who made exactly what minor changes and follow-ups to an archaeological build. Choice is yours. hfhf. So many condescending 's I could throw up. They're right about the quality of the guide, though. This is a very low quality guide. If I were to compare this guide to my worst guide then I'd say my worst guide comes out on top quite easily, and the guides I've written are nowhere near as high in quality as some of the stuff the TLStrategy guys put out. Wouldn't you be a little biased to call your guide better than his ? Seriously, this is ridiculous. First, he is a thief, next, he is a poor guide writer. Haters gonna hate man... To be fair, the written guide isn't a beauty. There are no benchmarks, attack timings or replays.
Yea sure that's fair, then again I never said it was great. It's a pretty simple build, and the OP has the right to edit and include more information. Although with all of the flaming I highly doubt it.
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