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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
April 30 2014 13:22 GMT
#41
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Gianttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands194 Posts
April 30 2014 13:29 GMT
#42
On April 30 2014 06:15 AiLillekanin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:12 2vs2 FrozenImpact wrote:
Its not about using the build, its about going public with it with the same idea and theory i had behind it. Advertising it as being a 80-90% winrate build, having "created" it by yourself and not giving credit to other parties. In addition, your autistic behaviour in which you tried to karma farm it and let others know of this build that, in fact, you had great success with, is just an icing on the cake.


I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea. I found out quickly that yes u can kill the Protoss expo 90% of the times, but you didnt end the game. So i follow MY ALL IN build up with a 4 rax scv allin on 2 base.

Do you even read?


You could have atleast put his name in your story, that's what he is telling you. So yes he can read.
Winners: It is difficult, but it's possible.
Lillekanin
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark192 Posts
April 30 2014 13:40 GMT
#43
On April 30 2014 22:29 Gianttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:15 AiLillekanin wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:12 2vs2 FrozenImpact wrote:
Its not about using the build, its about going public with it with the same idea and theory i had behind it. Advertising it as being a 80-90% winrate build, having "created" it by yourself and not giving credit to other parties. In addition, your autistic behaviour in which you tried to karma farm it and let others know of this build that, in fact, you had great success with, is just an icing on the cake.


I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea. I found out quickly that yes u can kill the Protoss expo 90% of the times, but you didnt end the game. So i follow MY ALL IN build up with a 4 rax scv allin on 2 base.

Do you even read?


You could have atleast put his name in your story, that's what he is telling you. So yes he can read.

"I took the OPENING from WoL (2rax) combined with FrozenImpact proxy factory idea"
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Lillekanin
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark192 Posts
April 30 2014 13:42 GMT
#44
He never gave me the buildorder (according to the Redditthread - Skypelog), so basically he deserves no naming on this build. He didnt give replays as he's mentioning but i simply looked at the match history screen and looked at BO and did my own version.
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
April 30 2014 13:49 GMT
#45
On April 30 2014 21:22 agahamsorr0w wrote:
A tvt showmatch with a tvp build. Good logic here.


Yeah I thought I would stick to the thread because everything in here is absolutely logical.
Have a nice day!
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 30 2014 13:54 GMT
#46
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.
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11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
April 30 2014 14:10 GMT
#47
On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.

Well if I saw Zest do an awesome build and wrote a guide about it, I would definitely feel weird to not mention that Zest did it, and even naming the build after myself, even if Zest never sent me a replay or even knew of my excistence
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 30 2014 14:18 GMT
#48
On April 30 2014 23:10 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.

Well if I saw Zest do an awesome build and wrote a guide about it, I would definitely feel weird to not mention that Zest did it, and even naming the build after myself, even if Zest never sent me a replay or even knew of my excistence


dunno, if you can write a guide about someone elses build by just knowing that he opens with 2 rax, you gotta be one great mind reader
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KalinovSC2
Profile Joined January 2013
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 14:22:45
April 30 2014 14:20 GMT
#49
On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.


Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build.


On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl


This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/
SpawnMoarOverlords
Profile Joined April 2014
400 Posts
April 30 2014 14:37 GMT
#50
This is a serious problem you're pointing out Lillekanin, nobody should be able to steal someone else build like this guy did. Where are we going if I can just steal anybody's build to play ladder because I think it looks cool without even giving credit to him ? I think we should have a organisation that would register build order copyright. And then every time a player uses this build in a broadcasted showmatch he or his team has to pay the rights ! That's much better that people naming builds after whoever is famous for using them. The name of the first personn who came up with it is SO much more important !
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 30 2014 14:44 GMT
#51
On April 30 2014 23:20 KalinovSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.


Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build.


Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl


This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/


what? he wrote a guide for a build, a guide that noone else wrote nor helped him to write. He did all the work himself. If you have a similar build with the same opening, of which lillekanin based his build and guide: tough shit. Maybe if you weren't such a dick about it, he WOULD have credited you.
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KalinovSC2
Profile Joined January 2013
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 14:58:17
April 30 2014 14:54 GMT
#52
On April 30 2014 23:44 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 23:20 KalinovSC2 wrote:
On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.


Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build.


On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl


This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/


what? he wrote a guide for a build, a guide that noone else wrote nor helped him to write. He did all the work himself. If you have a similar build with the same opening, of which lillekanin based his build and guide: tough shit. Maybe if you weren't such a dick about it, he WOULD have credited you.



Okay so first off I'm not involved. This is my take of the situation after reading the threads regarding this situation. My whole point was it seems silly to try to "copyright" a build in general.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 15:09:30
April 30 2014 15:09 GMT
#53
On April 30 2014 22:42 AiLillekanin wrote:
He never gave me the buildorder (according to the Redditthread - Skypelog), so basically he deserves no naming on this build. He didnt give replays as he's mentioning but i simply looked at the match history screen and looked at BO and did my own version.


But skypelog was photoshopped, right? At least that's what you wrote in the reddit thread.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25883 Posts
April 30 2014 15:13 GMT
#54
Yeah the Frozen guy totally photoshopped a conversation to make it clear that he hadn't actually given Lillekanin any tips as to the build lol...
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 30 2014 15:24 GMT
#55
On April 30 2014 23:54 KalinovSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 23:44 nkr wrote:
On April 30 2014 23:20 KalinovSC2 wrote:
On April 30 2014 22:54 nkr wrote:
Why should he give any credit to the other dude? He never gave lillekanin any replay or in any way helped lillekanin. Since lillekanin had no replay, all he did he came up with himself. Yes he based it off what this other dude did but I don't see how that matters in this case.


Well, he didn't really come up with anything himself to start. He stalked match history and got a replay from the other guy to get the initial build order, then added a different transition (If I understand correctly). It seems quite silly to try to brand your name to a build, as stated in a previous comments. If you have a unique style / way of playing a build that is highly successful, generally people will associate you with that build / style (I.E PartinGs immortal sentry). Trying to copyright an opener that has been around since WoL, even with a unique transition, seems quite unnecessary. The way this guide is written and the timing it was posted makes me feel it was far from a guide you wrote to try to add content to the community, but rather a way to try self promote or somehow try to "copyright" this build.


On April 30 2014 05:51 AiLillekanin wrote:
Wow since when does bulds have copyright rofl


This is EXACTLY what you are trying to do :/


what? he wrote a guide for a build, a guide that noone else wrote nor helped him to write. He did all the work himself. If you have a similar build with the same opening, of which lillekanin based his build and guide: tough shit. Maybe if you weren't such a dick about it, he WOULD have credited you.



Okay so first off I'm not involved. This is my take of the situation after reading the threads regarding this situation. My whole point was it seems silly to try to "copyright" a build in general.


when i say "you" i don't mean you specifically, it's more a way of speaking
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GodOfWarAReS
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany105 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:05:49
April 30 2014 16:04 GMT
#56
I think naming the build after his name is bullshit.. the build is not something really clever nor its something that no one already came up with. I think alot of terrans used that build already. so calling it your very own build is pretty dumb as long as its not really innovative which is really hard in sc2 right now.
If every low-mid gm player would claim a build his own because he makes little adjustments to the build, we would litterally have thousands of builds named after players.
Lillekanin
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark192 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:34:43
April 30 2014 16:32 GMT
#57
I never claimed the build to me MINE. I just wrote "Player name Content". To even sort it out, i wrote "Lillekanin version of the 2 rax + 1 fac build".
.
And why is it even a problem to put my name infront of the build? Since i wrote down the BO, and i made a VOD and i made the thread to share it with you guys.So there should be no problem with me putting my name infront of the build since it's my guide.
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KalinovSC2
Profile Joined January 2013
52 Posts
April 30 2014 16:47 GMT
#58
On May 01 2014 01:32 AiLillekanin wrote:
I never claimed the build to me MINE. I just wrote "Player name Content". To even sort it out, i wrote "Lillekanin version of the 2 rax + 1 fac build".
.
And why is it even a problem to put my name infront of the build? Since i wrote down the BO, and i made a VOD and i made the thread to share it with you guys.So there should be no problem with me putting my name infront of the build since it's my guide.


The ESEX article summed this up perfectly.
Lillekanin
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark192 Posts
April 30 2014 17:03 GMT
#59
Well i explained some here http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/24abhi/credit_to_whom_credit_is_due_lillekanin_is_a/ch63fzn

So make Justice plz.
ProgamerStreaming on http://da.twitch.tv/lillekanin
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25883 Posts
April 30 2014 17:13 GMT
#60
On May 01 2014 01:47 KalinovSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 01:32 AiLillekanin wrote:
I never claimed the build to me MINE. I just wrote "Player name Content". To even sort it out, i wrote "Lillekanin version of the 2 rax + 1 fac build".
.
And why is it even a problem to put my name infront of the build? Since i wrote down the BO, and i made a VOD and i made the thread to share it with you guys.So there should be no problem with me putting my name infront of the build since it's my guide.


The ESEX article summed this up perfectly.

Here in case people are wondering what he's referring to
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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