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[G] 15 HoTS Protoss All-in Builds by Believe and ToXSiK -…

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Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 26 2013 20:36 GMT
#21
On August 27 2013 03:01 Teoita wrote:
Eh Yeah why not, i renamed the thread. Might as well.

Much better now, actually
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
aldochillbro
Profile Joined July 2012
187 Posts
August 27 2013 14:21 GMT
#22
am i the only one who appreciates this?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 27 2013 14:34 GMT
#23
On August 27 2013 04:12 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Look to improve your game? I dont think all-ining is the best way to improve your game.


The best pros know how to all-in the best too.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 16:42:56
August 27 2013 15:26 GMT
#24
On August 27 2013 04:12 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Look to improve your game? I dont think all-ining is the best way to improve your game.


All the top Protoss players, in terms of achievements, began doing almost solely all-ins and continue to mix them heavily into their game... MC, Huk, Naniwa, Parting... they are the top #4 in terms of achievements.

But as with any build, you need to drill these and practice them heavily to fully understand them. I've never seen anything in terms of complete guide to any build order that tells you what to do in every given situation.
IcED Bk
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada245 Posts
August 27 2013 20:31 GMT
#25
People need to chill about this all in build... That is how players develop by practicing builds. Writing it in word and adding pictures though make it look sloppy but overall its BUILD ORDERS. I like it, thank you for putting the time into this!
Advanced Dota 2 player and HoTs Diamond player and HS Player (almost legend ;P)
Xonix
Profile Joined February 2012
225 Posts
August 27 2013 21:22 GMT
#26
On August 26 2013 06:16 Batiste wrote:
Nice but Believes been proven to hack and streamcheat, everyone hates him, so him trying to do this is nice but.... he's not going to get respect for it, he's too desperate aswell

Believe has never hacked or stream cheated lol. Please back up any acquisition with proof please before posting
Batiste
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom69 Posts
August 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#27
On August 26 2013 06:38 ToXSiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 06:16 Batiste wrote:
Nice but Believes been proven to hack and streamcheat, everyone hates him, so him trying to do this is nice but.... he's not going to get respect for it, he's too desperate aswell


I know he has a bad rep but I don't think he hacks, do you have proof you could link me about it? Kinda a big accusation to make x.x

TubbyTheFat was streaming and showed 7 games in a row vs him and in replay, Believe counters Tubbys build in all 7 games with out scouting
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
August 28 2013 02:54 GMT
#28
can someone mirror the pdf on googledocs or repost text here?
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Xonix
Profile Joined February 2012
225 Posts
August 29 2013 00:29 GMT
#29
On August 28 2013 09:53 Batiste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 06:38 ToXSiK wrote:
On August 26 2013 06:16 Batiste wrote:
Nice but Believes been proven to hack and streamcheat, everyone hates him, so him trying to do this is nice but.... he's not going to get respect for it, he's too desperate aswell


I know he has a bad rep but I don't think he hacks, do you have proof you could link me about it? Kinda a big accusation to make x.x

TubbyTheFat was streaming and showed 7 games in a row vs him and in replay, Believe counters Tubbys build in all 7 games with out scouting

Still no factual evidence against the accusation.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
August 29 2013 00:48 GMT
#30
Well, this is on topic. And productive.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
August 29 2013 02:28 GMT
#31
On August 28 2013 06:22 Xonix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 06:16 Batiste wrote:
Nice but Believes been proven to hack and streamcheat, everyone hates him, so him trying to do this is nice but.... he's not going to get respect for it, he's too desperate aswell

Believe has never hacked or stream cheated lol. Please back up any acquisition with proof please before posting

I doubt they got receipts
Yhamm is the god of predictions
ToXSiK
Profile Joined November 2010
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 07:29:56
August 29 2013 07:25 GMT
#32
On August 27 2013 04:12 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Look to improve your game? I dont think all-ining is the best way to improve your game.


Alright IdrA, but you should take a look at any pro level protoss and understand that at least half of their games, if not more, are considered 'all in' builds. It's how the race was designed because of the warp game mechanic and is honestly the best way to play it too (imo)

OH AND sorry guys, I forgot to note in the OP that this guide is directed for lower level players, maybe diamond and under!

The wording is simple and the guide was actually designed for a Gold league student of mine that promised me money for it and then didn't pay because I stupidly sent him the guide first! :D:D:D

Anyways hope that clears it up a bit, I'll edit the OP.
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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
August 29 2013 12:02 GMT
#33
On August 29 2013 16:25 ToXSiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 04:12 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Look to improve your game? I dont think all-ining is the best way to improve your game.


Alright IdrA, but you should take a look at any pro level protoss and understand that at least half of their games, if not more, are considered 'all in' builds. It's how the race was designed because of the warp game mechanic and is honestly the best way to play it too (imo)

OH AND sorry guys, I forgot to note in the OP that this guide is directed for lower level players, maybe diamond and under!

The wording is simple and the guide was actually designed for a Gold league student of mine that promised me money for it and then didn't pay because I stupidly sent him the guide first! :D:D:D

Anyways hope that clears it up a bit, I'll edit the OP.


This is such total nonsense lol, check recent pro play first... You don't see much all-in play anymore really, certainly less than 30% of the games. PvT P pretty much always takes it to late game, PvP is getting more and more expo play and PvZ is seeing a lot of 3 base play.. Playstyles like first and rain just solid defense with some harassment and going for the lategame are more popular now. Still all-in play is of course a crucial part to know well though saying the race was designed for it because of warpgate is total nonsense..
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 21:26:57
August 31 2013 21:21 GMT
#34
some of the guides are odd to read as in you say get +2 but there is no mention of +1, its a good start though, also if u do it again dont do the reps against the ai, its stupid and doesnt really get detection.

another build u dont mention the pylons and cyber core, pvt i think it was (on phone cant check)
Surkein
Profile Joined January 2012
35 Posts
September 06 2013 19:39 GMT
#35
Got bit frustrated with Zerg recently and decided to check one of the builds in this one. I kinda like this general overview of rather viable builds to inspire strategic adjustments. Nevertheles, just wanted to point out that the one build I cheked was "6 gate all-in" against Z was actually a 5 gate. Moreover, you do not have to really fear the zerg throwing bunkers (I guess?) to defend. Anyway, I think the guide is actually helpful but just somewhat inconsistent.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
September 07 2013 09:56 GMT
#36
If ony there was something like this for Terran and Zerg.. It doesn't necessarily has to be only all-ins, but general openers and like 1-2base basic strategies. Nice work, gonna get some cheap wins now on ladder. :-)
usman10316
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom5 Posts
September 09 2013 16:09 GMT
#37
Does the 7 gate all in actually still work? Or is it heavily reliant on the zerg getting their Roach Warren late?

Also - the hellokitty +2 7 gate blink all in with zealot pressure I think is still a strong build.. Espeically with the Mothership core now.

I'm the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be!
walterodim
Profile Joined September 2013
1 Post
September 17 2013 03:06 GMT
#38
I'm not pointing any fingers here, but I need to ask if anybody else received a virus after downloading this guide?

The night I downloaded this, a file "taskhost.exe" was placed on my computer and now eats up 50% of my cpu. If anyone else noticed this after downloading this file, please let me know.

The only two things I downloaded that day are this file and the MMR calculator, but it could just be a coincidence and be neither of those.

hearters
Profile Joined May 2013
Singapore224 Posts
September 18 2013 03:25 GMT
#39
All-ins are a legit way to play. And you can improve your play greatly by learning all-ins and learning to do them well. Protoss it's probably the race with the most varied and strongest all-ins, so i think it's great to learn Protoss all-ins. Pros are really good at all-ins too.
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