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Protoss versus Zerg: The Guide - Page 16

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There are no plans for a guide to other match-ups at this time. This guide was an entirely organic effort from TL community members of similar interests.
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 22:22:01
November 26 2012 22:21 GMT
#301
guys, my chrome almost crushed, wp, will help me a lot with getting to masters
can i proceed to win MLG after reading this?
also all protosess in here need to buy a beer, im starting
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
November 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#302
On November 27 2012 07:03 MinimalistSC2 wrote:
Lots of typos.

I'm sure there are tons of typos and a few errors to boot. Unfortunately, 4 pairs of eyes can't match up to thousands of pairs of eyes. I'm collecting a list of typos/errors and will have everything fixed in the next version. So if you see a typo, PM me, and it'll get fixed in the next update!
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 22:28:26
November 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#303
Wow, this is just awesome! I'm just scrolling through this quickly at work, and this is amazing.

(So, this is what Monk has been hinting at over the last couple of months!)

Great work, all of you. You guys are like the Executors of the Brotoss on TL.

Thanks again! :D

(Oh, and I like the Happy Hydra and the Sad Zealot on the front - although I don't think the Zealot should be sad, anymore!)

This will help all Protoss squish the Zerg scum. For Auir!
KT best KT ~ 2014
Tyrean
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2 Posts
November 26 2012 22:27 GMT
#304
Hell yeah... that's what i call a guide... good job man! :D
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
November 26 2012 22:28 GMT
#305
On November 27 2012 06:25 monk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 06:23 Jaeger wrote:
I noticed there is no real discussion of cannon rushing the zerg's fast third base.

This happens relatively frequently in pro level matches and it's never quite clear to me the state of the game after the rush ends.

We literally looked at almost every PvZ in every major tournament in the past 9 months or so, and the only successful cannon rushes are in this guide.


Guess I missed them? Don't really see any analysis of 3rd base cannoning besides one sentence mentioning the 1 cannon 1 pylon wall on cloud kingdom's 3rd base and a generic statement saying "a cannon rush can deny a Zerg's natural or third expansion for a very long time".

For instance leenock vs hero @ daybreak. Cannon rush on the 3rd doesn't kill the third does force a lot of unit and kill a lot of units. Is it executed improperly? Did he commit too much, too little, target incorrectly, etc? Afterwards is he just dead?
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls4/vod/70597/?set=4&lang=

Or hero vs stephano from WCS group E match 1 game 2 @ cloud kingdom
Hero does a brilliant cannon rush to kill the 3rd but is he even ahead?
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2_2/b/340710272 (around 53 minutes)

Here's a botched strange rush with MC against curious @ cloud kingdom
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls4/vod/70581/?set=8&lang=

There are a bunch more cannon rushes on the 3rd. Cloud kingdom, daybreak, and antiga seem to be the most often cannoned 3rd bases from my memory.

It doesn't seem like it works out very often and even when it kills a hatch I don't usually see a clear advantage for the protoss.

However pros keep trying so there's a reason, right?
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 22:29:42
November 26 2012 22:29 GMT
#306
The Ace vs DRG link is malformed.
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
November 26 2012 22:36 GMT
#307
wow, talk about amazing effort and an amazing result.
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 26 2012 22:39 GMT
#308
This is all almost "common knowledge" after playing a couple hundred games (PvZ has always been my matchup though.)-- timings, counters, general play styles, but gosh I wish I'd had all this in one place when I was still learning.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
November 26 2012 22:39 GMT
#309
I think you just solved that matchup! Well done.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 26 2012 22:43 GMT
#310
It's not like TL to do an official gameplay guide for a matchup xD
is PvZ really THAT imbalanced?
:)
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 26 2012 22:44 GMT
#311
So much effort but all of this will be irrelevant in 3 months when HotS comes out.
boon2537
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States905 Posts
November 26 2012 22:46 GMT
#312
The most detailed guide I've ever seen :D
I hope you guys will release a guide for T and Z sometimes.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4744 Posts
November 26 2012 22:46 GMT
#313
I have absolut respect for You guys, the amount of work put into this is simply astonishing!
Pathetic Greta hater.
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
November 26 2012 22:48 GMT
#314
I heard you all were working on something, I didn't think it would be this huge O_O.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
TheDraken
Profile Joined July 2011
United States640 Posts
November 26 2012 22:50 GMT
#315
mother of god. this is madness. how can i ever absorb so much information?
fast food. y u no make me fast? <( ಠ益ಠ <)
YMCApylons
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Taiwan359 Posts
November 26 2012 22:51 GMT
#316
This will become some internet artifact, like the Rosetta stone, that historians of the future will look at, as they try to figure out why this person named Nestea became God-Emperor of Earth.
You must construct additional pylons.
JASONB0URNE
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia22 Posts
November 26 2012 22:52 GMT
#317
Monk and TL, this is insane! I have two weeks off work right now and I planned on working on my PvZ but I didn't know where to start. This IS now my definitive resource to all things PvZ! Thank you

And YES, PvZ is really that imbalanced. Zerg have so many options in all stages of the matchup while Protoss practically have none. Unless you're Rain who has IMPECCABLE speed, multi-tasking, micro and strategy execution, you're going to be losing more times than winning. And even then, Rain lost to Life in the GSL Finals when easily Rain was the most revolutionary player of that tournament!
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
November 26 2012 22:52 GMT
#318
10/10
Sooooil
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany497 Posts
November 26 2012 22:57 GMT
#319
This guide is the definition of pure awesomeness. I can't imagine the countless hours you guys put into this.
Farad
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
November 26 2012 23:00 GMT
#320
WOW, great job! :D
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