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crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 18:19:52
April 10 2012 18:18 GMT
#181
accidental double post
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 10 2012 18:19 GMT
#182
On April 11 2012 02:57 HammerSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 02:02 crocodile wrote:
On April 11 2012 01:46 HammerSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2012 04:05 CaptainHaz wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:28 shivver wrote:
On April 06 2012 04:35 Sergio1992 wrote:
On April 05 2012 22:09 shivver wrote:
You're doing it wrong OP, I use the same composition but I open different and no I'm not sharing.

As others have said, you're not harassing at all, the protoss flies an obs in and will see the early armory and know right off the bat for the rest of the game what is up. He'll just macro since you're just sitting in your base chronoing w/e he wants.

I honestly can't believe you're winning with this like others have said which leads me to believe that toss still are up in arms about how to exactly respond to this build.

God, nice post. Nice sharing of your own build, you know how to imrprove it, but you don't even try to help us with your post. You are probably a pro , so if you share your knowledge you are afraid you are going to get demolished easy on tournaments. Take care friend, you don't want to lose your prizes!


Fine you want a little bite? Templar archives is your hint.. when you scout that coming up, it is decision time for many different things.

I'm sure whatever silver league ranking you claim to have really must back up the validity of your statements, but saying "if you see a templar archives you need to do something" is both vague and useless in terms of assisting the discussion.

In response to a templar archives I think it makes more sense to cut banshee production and swap to something like ghost marine or if you want to stick to non-bio try a gradual transition into BCs.

Transition into BC's!? That's a bold move... are you referring to something like this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326583

I'm just wondering why you would think BC's in response to HT's as they counter BC's with feedback...

For someone who uses a mass Thor/Banshee build, I am absolutely appalled that you would write off a units viability in tvp due to feedback.

If you think HT counters fucking BC with feedback, how do you justify using thors and banshees?

How did I "write it off"? Your logic is FLAWED. You need to relax and settle down little guy LOL, it was just a question. My using thors has nothing to do with asking how BC's are an appropriate counter to scouting HT tech. LOL

You're the one who needs to calm down, with condescending statements, words in all caps, and defensive arguments. I'm not upset. I used a curse word and you assumed I'm frothing at the mouth ಠ_ಠ

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I just cannot believe that you can simultaneously argue that feedback doesn't hard counter your entire build, and then say that BC are not a good choice due to feedback. It's contradictory, especially since BC are far less susceptible to feedback than Thors and Banshees.

By the way, a much better reason for explaining why you can't transition to BC is that you don't have upgrades (because your build is an allin). A transition to BCs will not save you from any composition that defeats your initial push. It's not like the transition in the thread you posted because in that thread, the OP mentions that when you're playing standard MMMGV play you'll have started getting air upgrades and Starports anyway, which is why the transition can work.

I merely pointed out that instead of explaining the flaw using the good reasoning I posted above, you argued that feedback is the reason BCs will not work, which I find more hilarious than appalling now that you've gotten all defensive

Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
HammerSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada103 Posts
April 10 2012 18:38 GMT
#183
On April 11 2012 03:19 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 02:57 HammerSC2 wrote:
On April 11 2012 02:02 crocodile wrote:
On April 11 2012 01:46 HammerSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2012 04:05 CaptainHaz wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:28 shivver wrote:
On April 06 2012 04:35 Sergio1992 wrote:
On April 05 2012 22:09 shivver wrote:
You're doing it wrong OP, I use the same composition but I open different and no I'm not sharing.

As others have said, you're not harassing at all, the protoss flies an obs in and will see the early armory and know right off the bat for the rest of the game what is up. He'll just macro since you're just sitting in your base chronoing w/e he wants.

I honestly can't believe you're winning with this like others have said which leads me to believe that toss still are up in arms about how to exactly respond to this build.

God, nice post. Nice sharing of your own build, you know how to imrprove it, but you don't even try to help us with your post. You are probably a pro , so if you share your knowledge you are afraid you are going to get demolished easy on tournaments. Take care friend, you don't want to lose your prizes!


Fine you want a little bite? Templar archives is your hint.. when you scout that coming up, it is decision time for many different things.

I'm sure whatever silver league ranking you claim to have really must back up the validity of your statements, but saying "if you see a templar archives you need to do something" is both vague and useless in terms of assisting the discussion.

In response to a templar archives I think it makes more sense to cut banshee production and swap to something like ghost marine or if you want to stick to non-bio try a gradual transition into BCs.

Transition into BC's!? That's a bold move... are you referring to something like this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326583

I'm just wondering why you would think BC's in response to HT's as they counter BC's with feedback...

For someone who uses a mass Thor/Banshee build, I am absolutely appalled that you would write off a units viability in tvp due to feedback.

If you think HT counters fucking BC with feedback, how do you justify using thors and banshees?

How did I "write it off"? Your logic is FLAWED. You need to relax and settle down little guy LOL, it was just a question. My using thors has nothing to do with asking how BC's are an appropriate counter to scouting HT tech. LOL

You're the one who needs to calm down, with condescending statements, words in all caps, and defensive arguments. I'm not upset. I used a curse word and you assumed I'm frothing at the mouth ಠ_ಠ

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I just cannot believe that you can simultaneously argue that feedback doesn't hard counter your entire build, and then say that BC are not a good choice due to feedback. It's contradictory, especially since BC are far less susceptible to feedback than Thors and Banshees.

By the way, a much better reason for explaining why you can't transition to BC is that you don't have upgrades (because your build is an allin). A transition to BCs will not save you from any composition that defeats your initial push. It's not like the transition in the thread you posted because in that thread, the OP mentions that when you're playing standard MMMGV play you'll have started getting air upgrades and Starports anyway, which is why the transition can work.

I merely pointed out that instead of explaining the flaw using the good reasoning I posted above, you argued that feedback is the reason BCs will not work, which I find more hilarious than appalling now that you've gotten all defensive


Ummm ya.. I think you're one of those nerdtards lookin for a fight on forums.. look at your other posts on this thread alone YOU need to RELAX (in caps). What he said was nothing to do with my build and I was just looking for an explanation on why BC's are something to produce in order to counter discovered HT tech. Get a life nerd.


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crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 19:16:09
April 10 2012 19:15 GMT
#184
How can you call someone a nerd as an insult when you are on a forum site talking about a video game, displaying your multiple youtube videos (and youtube channel) where you explain your strategies for that video game? You've meticulously prepared a build order and tested it over the course of what I can only assume is a large number of games and written a guide to share it with others, and you're calling me a nerd? Are you fucking serious?

And you still haven't addressed my point, you've just been trolling. That's not to mention the shameless attention whoring you've been doing by bumping your thread every couple of days when it disappears off the front page of the strategy forum. What a joke.

Now, would you like to address my point about feedback and explain why it counters BCs but not Thors or Banshees, or would you like to keep acting like a child?
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
HammerSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada103 Posts
April 10 2012 19:20 GMT
#185
On April 11 2012 04:15 crocodile wrote:
How can you call someone a nerd as an insult when you are on a forum site talking about a video game, displaying your multiple youtube videos (and youtube channel) where you explain your strategies for that video game? You've meticulously prepared a build order and tested it over the course of what I can only assume is a large number of games and written a guide to share it with others, and you're calling me a nerd? Are you fucking serious?

And you still haven't addressed my point, you've just been trolling. That's not to mention the shameless attention whoring you've been doing by bumping your thread every couple of days when it disappears off the front page of the strategy forum. What a joke.

Now, would you like to address my point about feedback and explain why it counters BCs but not Thors or Banshees, or would you like to keep acting like a child?

It is a counter, among many, to Thors and Banshees, I was asking the other poster why BC would be the response to scouting HT's. Why are you so obsessed little guy... LOL
Strumpsven
Profile Joined September 2011
6 Posts
April 10 2012 19:25 GMT
#186
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

Are you sure you are in masters?
Strumpsven
Profile Joined September 2011
6 Posts
April 10 2012 19:26 GMT
#187
On April 11 2012 04:15 crocodile wrote:
How can you call someone a nerd as an insult when you are on a forum site talking about a video game, displaying your multiple youtube videos (and youtube channel) where you explain your strategies for that video game? You've meticulously prepared a build order and tested it over the course of what I can only assume is a large number of games and written a guide to share it with others, and you're calling me a nerd? Are you fucking serious?

And you still haven't addressed my point, you've just been trolling. That's not to mention the shameless attention whoring you've been doing by bumping your thread every couple of days when it disappears off the front page of the strategy forum. What a joke.


This is how I feel about OP.. :p
HammerSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 19:40:10
April 10 2012 19:38 GMT
#188
On April 11 2012 04:25 Strumpsven wrote:
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

God-forbid posters stands up for themselves to dorks on forum

Thanks for the bump & check the replays for non-floating 4k min opponents

iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 20:38:10
April 10 2012 19:40 GMT
#189
On April 11 2012 04:25 Strumpsven wrote:
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

Are you sure you are in masters?

Well to be honest, he's mid masters, at best, playing trashy protoss players with a fluke build. Don't be too hateful at him. I watched a few of the reps, and they were just insanely bad players. He uses a game against a diamond protoss as the 'example'

He defends it to the death, and habitually self bumps to make sure his thread is on the front page. When he played a good protoss (haz) and got crushed, he blamed it on the 'you know what I was going to do' hence it's a ladder build, or a BOx series build.

I wouldn't make it standard, but it isn't to be written off, at least, by any means.

On April 11 2012 04:38 HammerSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 04:25 Strumpsven wrote:
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

God-forbid posters stands up for themselves to dorks on forum

Thanks for the bump & check the replays for non-floating 4k min opponents


=) putting a smile =) every third line =) doesn't make your awful post any less awful =) or self bumping like =)
The only person standing up for this is you, if anyone else says a cross word you just look past it, and go right for personal accusations.

On April 11 2012 04:49 HammerSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 04:40 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On April 11 2012 04:25 Strumpsven wrote:
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

Are you sure you are in masters?

Not to mention, 80% win rate is a joke of all jokes. 300-295 record at 590 or so points masters. That means your TvT and TvZ must be GOD AWFUL if you REALLY have an 80% win ratio. Why don't you sc2 gears your last 595 games, and take your real win rate, and show that instead of lying.

A lot of my games are builds I'm trying for my channel. Even though I play a fair amount I don't take the game, or little nerds like you, too seriously (the old double wink). I have some ridiculous builds that I use, and I play them on ladder for fun. I'm not that good! I have lower apm, I'm between diamond/masters level. And even then.. who gives a sh** lol. It's a game buds. Stop bein a little online creeper.. lol.




I'm sorry to be so rude, but just reading through this last page is just awful. You're not at all trying to TALK about strategy, just jump down peoples throats. Doing nothing but calling people names, and attacking peoples character when they say something cross or want an answer to YOUR strategy page. You need to revamp your image, and the way you treat people before coming back to TL and talking strategy.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
HammerSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 19:56:55
April 10 2012 19:49 GMT
#190
On April 11 2012 04:40 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 04:25 Strumpsven wrote:
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

Are you sure you are in masters?

Not to mention, 80% win rate is a joke of all jokes. 300-295 record at 590 or so points masters. That means your TvT and TvZ must be GOD AWFUL if you REALLY have an 80% win ratio. Why don't you sc2 gears your last 595 games, and take your real win rate, and show that instead of lying.

A lot of my games are builds I'm trying for my channel. Even though I play a fair amount I don't take the game, or little nerds like you, too seriously (the old double wink). I have some ridiculous builds that I use, and I play them on ladder for fun. I'm not that good! I have lower apm, I'm between diamond/masters level. And even then.. who gives a sh** lol. It's a game buds. Stop bein a little online creeper.. lol. (nerd voice) iamjeffrey: "Hmm I'm gonna check his profile, now I'm gonna check some stats, hmmm now I'm gonna write a short story, cause I'm angry and life outside my computers sux."
Strumpsven
Profile Joined September 2011
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 19:57:21
April 10 2012 19:56 GMT
#191

And there it went down the toilet, my respect for the OP!

I'm out of here..

(I'm a nerd.. indeed.. and F*ing proud over that.)
HammerSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada103 Posts
April 10 2012 19:57 GMT
#192
On April 11 2012 04:56 Strumpsven wrote:

And there it went down the toilet, my respect for the OP!

I'm out of here..

Oh goodness no!!
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
April 10 2012 20:20 GMT
#193
wasnt there a build like this like a year ago? I remember painuser was the one that was first experiement with thor banshee composition since with +1 upgrade, Thor can 1 shot observer and once the observer is gone, cloak banshee just tear everything apart. Although, the life of this build didnt live that long because HT completely crap on it once protoss learned how to use HT. I still feel that that is the case and if you look at some real REAL old MLG video, there are some pros doing a similar form of this build.

Seriously OP? This is your post and you are going to continue to degrade it? Even if people are talking back, you shouldnt be provoking them to farther degrade your tread. You are posting this thread to try and get better to be aware of your build right? Your credibility drop quiet a bit imo from your action. Lets try and keep this civil guys.
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 20:34:52
April 10 2012 20:27 GMT
#194
Maybe this is inappropriate, but OP, have you ever read this article?

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-dismissive-arguments-that-you-only-use-when-youre-wrong/

I never thought I'd be agreeing with IamJeffrey after that fight we had earlier, but holy shit man, I made a light criticism and you jumped all over me. You're really destroying all of the credibility you might have had, and pissing everybody off by calling people who disagree with you 'nerd' as though it's a bad thing.

You're on Teamliquid. If you're not a nerd, what the fuck are you doing here?


On April 11 2012 04:56 Strumpsven wrote:

And there it went down the toilet, my respect for the OP!

I'm out of here..

(I'm a nerd.. indeed.. and F*ing proud over that.)


Right on. 1000x this.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Silent12ill
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States358 Posts
April 10 2012 20:31 GMT
#195
Threads like this are why people dont take stategy forums seriously? It always nice looking for something new someone is coming up with but this doesn't make sense to me.
aznkukuboi
Profile Joined December 2010
120 Posts
April 11 2012 00:07 GMT
#196
Hammer is now in diamond, I wonder if he still has the credibility.
I still lose to 1-1-1 like redic amount as toss. I can't defend it.
HammerSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada103 Posts
April 11 2012 01:27 GMT
#197
On April 11 2012 09:07 aznkukuboi wrote:
Hammer is now in diamond, I wonder if he still has the credibility.
I still lose to 1-1-1 like redic amount as toss. I can't defend it.

Protoss isn't my problem
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
April 11 2012 01:34 GMT
#198
On April 11 2012 04:38 HammerSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 04:25 Strumpsven wrote:
I do not like OP's behaviour in this thread, even if the build is somewhat decent.

OP is obviously not reading the posts in his own thread. And on the contrary.. a protoss in master that floats 4k minerals.

God-forbid posters stands up for themselves to dorks on forum

Thanks for the bump & check the replays for non-floating 4k min opponents


You can't be serious with this attitude, this thread has run its course.
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