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[math] PvZ shield +1 before armour +2 vs mutalisk - Page 3

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Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
November 16 2011 00:16 GMT
#41
Creative Protoss thinking to help with a problem that is not a new timing? I like this!
Polt: "Those auto-turrets are cute." 10/26/13 commenting on MMA vs. Maru.
jumai
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada115 Posts
November 16 2011 00:38 GMT
#42
TheSambassador: of course I verified all this before posting, but if you don't believe attacks can do less than 1 damage, open up unit_test_map and have a look yourself. Or, just start a game against the computer as zerg and attack one of your larva with a drone. (It's health will appear to go down at less than 0.5 per attack, but that's because zerg regeneration synchronizes very closely with the drone's attack cooldown.)

ExorArgus: I'm not sure I understand what you're calculating, exactly. Here's a probe health chart for different defense upgrades being attacked by a +0 mutalisk:


|| 0/1/1 || 0/2/0 || 0/1/0 || 0/0/1 || 0/0/0 ||
________ ________ ________ ________ ________
20//20 || 20//20 || 20//20 || 20//20 || 20//20
12//20 || 11//20 || 11//20 || 12//20 || 11//20
4//20 || 2//20 || 2//20 || 4//20 || 2//20
0//17 || 0//15 || 0//14 || 0//16 || 0//13
0//9 || 0//8 || 0//6 || 0//7 || 0//4
0//1 || 0//1 || -- || -- || --
-- || -- || || ||



I don't see any easy advantages to persue there. +1 mutas might have a slightly easier time doing enough bounce damage to enable a 4-shot kill on 0/2/0 (6 bounce needed) than on 0/1/1 (5 bounce needed after shield armour), but neither configuration is going to make mutas over your probe line a thing you can solve with armour upgrades.
stuzH
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
April 18 2012 03:33 GMT
#43
I have started to get shield upgrades over armor in a lot of pvz and pvp games. In pvt EMP destroys shields anyway and zealots benefit more from armor. YUMYUM upgrades snarf pingus
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 18 2012 03:46 GMT
#44
id go for

+1 attack
+2 attack
+1 shields
+3 attack
+2 shields
+1 armor
+3 shields
+2 armor
+3 armor

in a perfect scenario if i know mutas are coming.

shield upgrades are great for blinkstalkermicro since you regain "armored health". also, they help archons. They furthermore make buildings stronger which can be helpful in basetrade scenarios but also - and thats the most important part - they make cannons thougher.

but u cant always choose and u are unlikely to know mutas are coming, so thats just in theory.
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