EPT[G] GrandMaster SC2 Lecture: Aggressive Zerg Play - Page 15
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JediGamer
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TangSC
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JediGamer
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JDub
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On November 16 2011 23:30 JediGamer wrote: Why is this thread still up? I just assumed it was closed. It is a blatant advertisement for his coaching and website, without paying teamliquid. Ironically he disses the other guy talking about being GM. He is NOT GRANDMASTER nor even close. There was also a rumor he paid someone to level his account, doesn't matter because he couldn't sustain it. Because he plays a limited style he really rips off terran and protoss players (I am a coach and have heard from new students who received Tangs coaching). All this "lecture" is -was you casting a replay where you ling/roach busted someone. You could just watch some DarkForce replays to see crisp timings or other aggressive zergs, but you chose to host your own. And no this is not a troll nor do I have particular beef with Tang, but part of me doesn't like to know a coach taking advantage of people is out there. This is almost as BM as you were to me when you lost while off-racing on a smurf account... In all seriousness, though, I don't see what you're trying to do here. Tang is describing some aggressive Zerg play, doing his best to help lower league Zergs get easier wins in quick games. I honestly think playing aggressively and macro-intensive are both good ways to improve your game. I don't see what's wrong with Tang linking to his site from a guide. Sure, there are other ways for someone to learn about Zerg timings (e.g. watching Darkforce), but this doesn't mean that Tang shouldn't be allowed to write his own guide. It just seems like you are hating for the sake of hating, and trying to sell yourself as a superior "coach". But given how ridiculously BM you were to me when we played *in a custom*, I think you should grow up before coaching (and before spewing hate on TL)... | ||
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Bad_Habit
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:41 JDub wrote: This is almost as BM as you were to me when you lost while off-racing on a smurf account... In all seriousness, though, I don't see what you're trying to do here. Tang is describing some aggressive Zerg play, doing his best to help lower league Zergs get easier wins in quick games. I honestly think playing aggressively and macro-intensive are both good ways to improve your game. I don't see what's wrong with Tang linking to his site from a guide. Sure, there are other ways for someone to learn about Zerg timings (e.g. watching Darkforce), but this doesn't mean that Tang shouldn't be allowed to write his own guide. It just seems like you are hating for the sake of hating, and trying to sell yourself as a superior "coach". But given how ridiculously BM you were to me when we played *in a custom*, I think you should grow up before coaching (and before spewing hate on TL)... You ever seen this ? http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/coach/sc2coaching Ahem. Been doing it for almost 2 years now . People like Tang exist everywhere. Most are honest about it though, and don't have a labelled rank that they can't achieve. Check out acelessons.com before checking out the tang coaching site, 25 an hour for midish master level coaching in general is just not worth it. | ||
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Zefa
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JDub
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On November 17 2011 05:33 JediGamer wrote: Ahem. Been doing it for almost 2 years now . People like Tang exist everywhere. Most are honest about it though, and don't have a labelled rank that they can't achieve. Check out acelessons.com before checking out the tang coaching site, 25 an hour for midish master level coaching in general is just not worth it. Edit: When I say "you" I'm referring to JediGamer, when I say "Tang" I'm referring to Tang, in case this is unclear. I see that you are indeed trying to do good (and Tang I believe is also trying to do good, but is really annoying in how he goes about it). That said, the one time I ran into you online, you were playing a custom on a smurf account, tried 4 gating me and failed, then proceeded to BM me as no one has BMed me before, so it was kind of hard to forget. I see you have a thread about "turning over a new leaf" here, although that thread didn't turn out too well for you (although hopefully you are actually following through on what you said in your OP there 3 months ago, it seems like outside of your SC2 rage you are a good guy and coach). Anyways, I still stand by my point that you are being too harsh on Tang -- it just seems like an attempt at "I am a more legitimate coach, Tang shouldn't even post at all". Tang has been in GM before, so I don't see a huge problem with prefixing his thread with "Grandmaster". | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:48 JDub wrote: Anyways, I still stand by my point that you are being too harsh on Tang -- it just seems like an attempt at "I am a more legitimate coach, Tang shouldn't even post at all". Tang has been in GM before, so I don't see a huge problem with prefixing his thread with "Grandmaster". Just means I need to work harder to prove myself, and I understand I can't make everyone happy at once but I do my best to provide content I think people will benefit from the most. | ||
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sanddbox_sc2
United States173 Posts
Also, JDub, I consider it equally evil to try to advertise your coaching in this thread. Any thread entitled guide, especially one in the strategy section, shouldn't be here for the intent of profit (which is the main reason why I so strongly disapprove of Tang's obvious ploy to bring traffic to his website). | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:26 sanddbox_sc2 wrote: I'm baffled that you're still plastering "Grandmaster" over every useless guide that you write when you have already admitted that you are not currently grandmasters (and I'll add that the only reason you WERE in Grandmasters League for a day was because of a bug in the ladder system that incorrectly promoted players). Also, JDub, I consider it equally evil to try to advertise your coaching in this thread. Any thread entitled guide, especially one in the strategy section, shouldn't be here for the intent of profit (which is the main reason why I so strongly disapprove of Tang's obvious ploy to bring traffic to his website). I've made GM twice and I don't mention coaching in the thread, I write strategy guides and do lectures because I enjoy it and I think it'll help people improve. | ||
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Nate.F
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On November 17 2011 14:32 TangSC wrote: I've made GM twice and I don't mention coaching in the thread, I write strategy guides and do lectures because I enjoy it and I think it'll help people improve. making GM twice doesn't matter. what matters is you're not GM NOW. don't u get it already? | ||
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VelRa_G
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sanddbox_sc2
United States173 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:32 TangSC wrote: I've made GM twice and I don't mention coaching in the thread, I write strategy guides and do lectures because I enjoy it and I think it'll help people improve. On October 23 2011 01:50 TangSC wrote: Fundamentals of Hyper-Aggressive Zerg Play ![[image loading]](http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n587/tang442244/TangLogo2.png) Lecture by Tang (233) Chat Channel: TangStarcraft www.TangStarcraft.com for Coaching / Replays / Tutorials. Change the way you think about SC2! My stream ( http://www.twitch.tv/tangsc ) will soon be operational with daily ladder commentaries, coaching, professional guest appearances, etc. The show will be designed primarily to help my observers improve. | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
LoL. How can someone lie so many times in a row. This honestly reminds me of Incontrols chat with deezer about cheating almost verbatim scenario. Someone must be getting some of his money from this though usually TL closes stuff like this. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:08 JediGamer wrote: LoL. How can someone lie so many times in a row. This honestly reminds me of Incontrols chat with deezer about cheating almost verbatim scenario. Someone must be getting some of his money from this though usually TL closes stuff like this. I've never lied in any of my threads - thus, TL has not closed my threads. I think the majority of people realize what I'm trying to do for the community and support my efforts, and I know first hand that the threads have helped sc2 players improve. I don't say this as a personal attack, Jedi, but I think that even if you disagree with my posts,it would be much more beneficial to this forum if you spent your time providing the content you thought was helpful rather than insulting other people's efforts. | ||
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nOondn
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Deleted User 109835
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TangSC
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On November 18 2011 01:06 SKTerran.117 wrote: Why is syndicate still allowed to post here. I don't get why people are hating so much, I personally wasn't impressed by the bit I watched, but all this discussion is doing is bumping the thread. :| If he wants to try to help noobs let him. Why do you refer to people learning SC2 as a "noob"? Everyone is learning. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:06 SKTerran.117 wrote: Why is syndicate still allowed to post here. I don't get why people are hating so much, I personally wasn't impressed by the bit I watched, but all this discussion is doing is bumping the thread. :| If he wants to try to help noobs let him. he's never been in it to help noobs. this is all a thinly veiled guise for his coaching website. that part is very clear from the way the OP is presented. | ||
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