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Carrera26
Profile Joined April 2011
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 18:21:05
August 30 2011 18:17 GMT
#21
Random thoughts from a measly Gold.

You should be able to do a reasonably low cost poke or scan right around the time where you could branch off in several different ways. IE right when your TL Factory is finishing, poke or scan to see composition. MMM = Siege or BFH/Banshee, 1/1/1 = Thor rush. If you get surprised by a wave of stimmed infantry, isn't that kind of your own fault?

Just love Medivac + Thor combo, like an XXXL version of Blink. Drop right on sieged tanks and pick up to the high ground to get a quick repair and swap it out for another Thor, rinse/repeat. Also Thorships can swoop in, take out buildings/forces near the edge of a base very quickly and take a fair amount of punishment before picking up and retreating. Like an Immortal drop with better survivability.

I personally love Air Terran, but it's biggest bugbear is surviving the early game. I'm wondering if a better player than I could use the defensibility of a Thor FE (just a couple Thors) to both get a 2 base infrastructure to support a very quick build-up into a strong Air force. Also, the opening would hopefully force exactly the wrong response from the opponent, as units that counter Thors well are particularly susceptible to Air + BFH. I was thinking of it like the Synystyr 4-port build vs. Protoss where early Thor + Bio pushes Toss to Zealot/Immortal/Collossi and leaves them with few answers to 4 Starport's worth of constant Banshee.
Not to mention you now have a great supplement to your airforce, as anyone who has tried to fight pure Viking vs. Viking/Thor can attest, and the very high number of shots would make opposing PDDs last about 1 second. Fast +1 Vehicle Weapons will be standard after patch 1.4 if you want BFH's to have the same power they used to have and it allows Thors to 2-shot Marauders, So that's not a waste. And you could quickly snipe off Turrets/addons/Rax/etc.... Dang, this is sounding better and better the more I consider it.

Anyway, last part is pure theorycraft, but you never know till you put it out there.
kwan84
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada68 Posts
August 30 2011 21:02 GMT
#22
umm prreeeee sure halby is either diamond or low masters... soo look upto somone else.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 30 2011 21:21 GMT
#23
Remember that there is a reason mech was discovered late. Holding off random all ins is very hard, ranging from mmm doom drops. Marauder stim timing, and Thor rush. Progamer Terrans have figured out mech builds that can hold off these all ins but average diamond level pros will not know much at all. When do you cut marines and lift the barracks? What do you scout which will set off the alarm bells and halt hellions? Perhaps with a money scan you don't mech at all. Just because you see a composition that is countered by a particular all in doesn't necessarily mean that this will allow you to metagame someone.

Remember Ravens beat Thor and marauder volleys. Mass hellions actually beat low marauder numbers with barely any losses. Remember MVP beat ganzi's 30 marine + 4 tank push with nothing but hellions (not a lot), Vikings, a raven and an unsieged tank.
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