• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:25
CET 13:25
KST 21:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2003 users

[H] Mothership killed my entire army - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
CortoMontez
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia608 Posts
February 24 2011 06:10 GMT
#21
As a result of the extremely slow speed of the mothership, attacking elsewhere would be the simplest option. Also, as a result of your opponent having to send a large portion of his army to defend, you may be able to snipe the mothership with a small force with a couple of voids. Sniping the mothership is even easier if your opponent sends ALL his force to defend, since the mothership will be significantly trailing behind his army if he just 1A-s to your army.
"Creator was doing a really good job trying to win without storm but it was like eating spaghetti with a screwdriver." -Severian
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
February 24 2011 06:36 GMT
#22
1 High templar with feedback.

You don't even need to upgrade storm or kaydarin amulet. Also, archons are very good in PvP, they soak up a ton of colossus fire, and take bonus damage from nothing (being psionic type only, I believe they are the only unit in the game with this attribute).
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
tchan
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 11:47:10
February 24 2011 11:46 GMT
#23
The thing is, teching to high templar in pvp isn't very practical (ie, storm does nothing) and also gas heavy and if you wanted archons it's more logical to get them from dt's. I guess if you had enough time, feedbacking would be one way to approach, you could also try to abuse the mobility of the mothership or just snipe it.
Brandus
Profile Joined September 2010
148 Posts
February 24 2011 12:21 GMT
#24
I would bet the vortex spell will be removed eventually. Blizzard is too lazy to rework archon or baneling splash due one abusive spell. Seems ridiculous that lazily pressing one button can wipe out an entire army. There are plenty of other creative abilities to give the mothership that aren't game breaking
Karn3
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom134 Posts
February 24 2011 12:33 GMT
#25
I've seen the Mom being used more and more in the toss late game recently. It can really add a lot to your army. One of my favorite tricks I've seen done with it is using mass recall to bring your army back to your base.

This highlights the importance of scouting I think. It's not hard to scout, the signs are pretty obvious; fleet beacon generally with no carriers building (at least initially), and a nexus lit up like a Christmas tree. If scouted there are a few things you can do to combat it:

- Voidrays kill 'em super fast. This is probably the easiest thing to do.

- Templar to feedback

- Try and keep your army spread - use multiple hot keys this makes it easier to move chunks of your army around. You should do this no matter how you decide to deal with it.

- Get a Mom of your own and throw down your own vortex right after his. Your units will pop back out first then you can get good positioning on his army

- Abuse the his armies immobility. Drops, blink stalkers, phoenix, whatever really. That is a super expensive army. If you can wreck his economy enough you're in a good place.

Hope that helps.
Malkavian183
Profile Joined February 2011
Turkey227 Posts
February 24 2011 13:07 GMT
#26
I don't think Vortex or Archon Toilets are that OP. I have won many times while ppl tried to do an Archon Toilet to me. It is a good strategy just that. If everybody starts to call everything OP (actually they do) then doom drops would be OP as well. Using one unit to change the game is actually what mothership is designed for imo.

Other than that spreading your army or backing a little bit just until vortex finishes are good responses to this. On current ladder maps if protoss throws down a vortex it also blocks his own path so they can't follow you as effectively. So back off, not all the way back to your base but a little bit and attack back when the vortex finishes. Also attacking at their own base is also a really good idea. I don't think running into the vortex is viable anymore. You should just do this if he has no archons or collosi and most of your army already in vortex.

So Have Fun ^^
Inject Bitch!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 24 2011 13:28 GMT
#27
Yeah, running into the Vortex simply cannot be decent advice here. If a Protoss late-game army has a Mothership, it's extremely, extremely likely to have several Colossi too.

One templar for feedback is pretty cost-effective. Assuming by lategame you'll have the Twilight already, then 200/200 for the Archives, and 50/150 for a templar, = 250/350, compared to Fleet Beacon + Mothership, = 700/600. And there's a massive window for this, because you can a) scout a Fleet Beacon (doesn't necessarily mean MS, but a tell), b) scout the MS building out of a Nexus, c) Mothership moves slowly to get anywhere, d) MS doesn't spawn with enough energy to vortex. MS takes 160s to build, Archives take 50...

But getting your own is much more fun.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
woowoo
Profile Joined May 2010
France164 Posts
February 24 2011 14:44 GMT
#28
If you are sure your enemy is building a mothership, don't build one yourself, train archons if he's got air units and colossus if his army is ground focused. Throw AoE units into the vortex, send the others at enemy base/expo.
wooooo
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
February 24 2011 14:48 GMT
#29
Well now that was unexpected. Someone complaining about the Mothership as too strong for a changel.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 15:04:46
February 24 2011 15:00 GMT
#30
at 190 supply must have for any protoss army, with a mothership you feel like you have 300 supply on the map. It takes some training but its awesome if you want to attack unpunished with your whole army. But you need hts in pvp to protect your mothership against feedback, if you want to use it offensiv.

Other then that the vortex cast range is pretty low so you can retreat from any chokepoint and spread your units. When you see the mothership.

You should use your observer a bit more activ, not only to see what he has, but also to see weakspots in his defense, turtling up an army is fine but your opponent will do the same, so to get ahead and be able to attack you need to get some advantage, which can be done with harrassing.

PS: i use my mothership defensiv protecting the important expo saving harassment armys etc.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group A, Day 3
WardiTV361
TKL 156
Rex103
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Reynor 317
TKL 152
ProTech123
Lowko107
Rex 103
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8711
GuemChi 2304
Stork 621
Pusan 544
BeSt 541
Zeus 197
Leta 189
EffOrt 176
Larva 165
Rush 117
[ Show more ]
Light 104
Killer 88
ToSsGirL 73
hero 68
ZerO 63
Sea.KH 48
Mind 47
Barracks 35
yabsab 31
Movie 27
Terrorterran 17
Icarus 14
Noble 12
Hm[arnc] 9
Dota 2
Gorgc3075
singsing1655
Dendi267
XcaliburYe72
Counter-Strike
zeus690
x6flipin661
shoxiejesuss592
allub304
Other Games
summit1g15806
olofmeister1259
B2W.Neo746
Pyrionflax331
crisheroes279
Fuzer 256
RotterdaM82
QueenE35
Trikslyr28
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream11853
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4834
Other Games
gamesdonequick544
BasetradeTV32
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 15
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
BSL: GosuLeague
8h 35m
PiGosaur Cup
12h 35m
The PondCast
21h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
4 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
IPSL
5 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.