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Teael
United States724 Posts
Are there any subtle micro tricks that can be utilized to keep these little guys alive? Specifically when i try to neural parasite, they just seem to flop around in the front lines, trying to squeeze past my roaches, land the NP and swiftly die. What's worse is that they sometimes like to ALL move when i make just one command... Should i be casing NP by selecting the festors one by one or something? | ||
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DW-Unrec
492 Posts
On August 04 2011 12:05 Probe1 wrote: Uh, just open one of the three standard ways and don't worry about the rest until you're very comfortable playing zerg. Just stick to 14gas14pool, 15hatch 14 pool or 11pool 18 hatch. The point of opening gas first, which afaik only applies to 14g14p is to get metabolic boost the second the spawning pool finishes with 100 gas. 15 OL is fine. I dont wrote this post to learn the "fine". I want to know the perfect openining. Thanks for the reply anyway | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On August 04 2011 12:49 GinDo wrote: TvP- Mass Ghost Maruader. Nothings changed much. People started using thors, but then BLizz nerfed them because they were to good against P. More people are starting to Mech our of frustration and having some success. But really Maruaders are so good against protoss, why not make them? I don't agree. Many pros have been going more marine heavy against the zealot heavy styles of the Protoss, you need the DPS. Mass marauder is not good against the popular mass Zealot-archon. Ghosts however, are still a staple. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On August 04 2011 14:17 DW-Unrec wrote: I dont wrote this post to learn the "fine". I want to know the perfect openining. Thanks for the reply anyway There is no "perfect opening." It depends on your playstyle, the map, and reacting to what your opponent is doing. the 3 standard openings mentioned are perfectly fine for all situations unless you scout a 6 pool, even then you're probably fine with a 11 pool. Although as a note, I usually go 15hatch/15pool, unless it's a ZvZ. | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On August 04 2011 14:04 Teael wrote: Simple question about infestors Are there any subtle micro tricks that can be utilized to keep these little guys alive? Specifically when i try to neural parasite, they just seem to flop around in the front lines, trying to squeeze past my roaches, land the NP and swiftly die. What's worse is that they sometimes like to ALL move when i make just one command... Should i be casing NP by selecting the festors one by one or something? Keep them on a separate hotkey and be very deliberate when moving your separate control groups. And once you've cast NP, you can issue a move command and the infestors who aren't channeling NP will move back. And make sure they're in the back to begin with also, not in the front. | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
On August 04 2011 14:17 DW-Unrec wrote: I dont wrote this post to learn the "fine". I want to know the perfect openining. Thanks for the reply anyway If you want my recommendation, I'm currently doing: ZvT:15H 16P 16G ZvP: 14P 15H 21G ZvZ: 15G 14P 15H Overlord should always be on 16, I believe, unless you are using some sort of opener that uses time spent supply blocked to do something else. (I.e. 11P 19H builds the overlord on 18, and uses the supply blocked time to begin mining gas.) If there was a perfect opener, then multiple openers wouldn't exist. The game has been out for a year now, and if something was definitively better than something else in terms of your first 3 structures then it would have been figured out by now. It is mostly a preference based thing. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
Context: I always open Reactor Hellion FE vs Zerg as terran. I want to try a new opening BO but I don't know if I should play vs the comp first or just try it on the ladder immediately. | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
On August 04 2011 15:20 lorkac wrote: Question: Is there a way to practice a new build order outside of the ladder or is it better to jump with both feet into a new build order? Context: I always open Reactor Hellion FE vs Zerg as terran. I want to try a new opening BO but I don't know if I should play vs the comp first or just try it on the ladder immediately. There are plenty of build order testers out there in the forms of customs maps, such as YABOT (yet another build order tester). Also, a thread that popped up just today about a coach AI that you may want to look into: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250917 | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On August 04 2011 15:51 Soluhwin wrote: There are plenty of build order testers out there in the forms of customs maps, such as YABOT (yet another build order tester). Also, a thread that popped up just today about a coach AI that you may want to look into: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250917 I guess my more specific question is- Will it actually be helpful to practice new build orders against a computer or is it better to throw yourself against the randomness of the ladder? | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
On August 04 2011 14:04 Teael wrote: Simple question about infestors Are there any subtle micro tricks that can be utilized to keep these little guys alive? Specifically when i try to neural parasite, they just seem to flop around in the front lines, trying to squeeze past my roaches, land the NP and swiftly die. What's worse is that they sometimes like to ALL move when i make just one command... Should i be casing NP by selecting the festors one by one or something? the only thing I know of is to either pace set with a single slower unit in back and move those roaches up all the way so that NP has range while behind your roach line, or get a concave before NPing. On August 04 2011 17:17 lorkac wrote: I guess my more specific question is- Will it actually be helpful to practice new build orders against a computer or is it better to throw yourself against the randomness of the ladder? It is definitely better to do your build against a computer. SInce computer AI tends to follow specific rules, you know what they'll throw at you after enough games played, so then you can see how your build works and tweak it for what you know is coming. Thats the key to it, knowing how to modify it to meet a need. The computer will be predictable enough that you can do that, and once you have this knowledge down in practice, scouting the opposition can tell you exactly what to do. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
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gejfsyd
Poland156 Posts
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I figure it partially depends on which unit you have more of, but when it comes to a straight confrontation with Ling/Bling/etc, which helps more? | ||
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:05 gejfsyd wrote: Is there a map where AI does 1 specyfic build order so i can practice against it? It's probably better if you find yourself a real practice partner via the stickies practice partner thread, as those people can probably execute the build you're looking for better than the ai. | ||
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Fierytycoon
United States85 Posts
when does spawning pool finish and when does lings pop out of eggs for 6 7 8 pool? | ||
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synd
Bulgaria586 Posts
On August 04 2011 17:17 lorkac wrote: I guess my more specific question is- Will it actually be helpful to practice new build orders against a computer or is it better to throw yourself against the randomness of the ladder? Practice partner, best way | ||
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xOff
United States247 Posts
What is the best tell that someone is going DT's without specifically scouting the Dark Shrine? Whats the optimal defense agaist blue flame hellion drops? Whats the way to punish someone who expands to hidden expos across large maps like Tal'darim? | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:45 harrypotteRRR wrote: idk if theres a thread that has these answers but when does spawning pool finish and when does lings pop out of eggs for 6 7 8 pool? no ling timing but pool timings are here:  Aggressive Pool Firstedit: Zerglings take 24 game seconds to build. So to know when lings pop, just add 24 to the times listed. | ||
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Sandwhale
United States20 Posts
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