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Hetz
196 Posts
Great forum btw. I was wondering, do I need to send a scouting drone as Zerg? (in ZvT and ZvP that is) I mean, you don't get to see much you didn't already expect these first 2-3 minutes of the game. Wouldn't it be better to keep the drone mining and sac an OV at 5-7 minutes? | ||
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omnic
United States188 Posts
EDIT: It is however not 100% needed to do depending on your build though. Think about scouting like this: "Does my build get punished harshly if the enemy does ______?" if yes than you want to figure out a way to scout for that specific strategy in a way that gives you enough time to adjust your build on the fly so you are not crippled by it. | ||
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notmyday
Poland31 Posts
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
Second: For any 2 rax or 2 gate pressure you want to scout so i wouldnt do that. Against a proxy you want that scout too. + that scout give valuable information... How many gas, how many Chrono boost saved up... You can easily see a really fast 4 gate way ahead that way. | ||
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Orcanex
United States7 Posts
 Also, it lets you know if they are doing something cheesy/unusual. As in, 2 rax play from t or 2 gate pressure from p (a bit less common). Also, lets you know how much room you have to expand/drone. If p or t is going for a fast expand for heavy tech, you know that you can drone up harder and not have to worry about early pressure. Once your drone is in their base, you have 2 options, gas steal and severely hurt their early teching ability/force early pressure (if you know you are competent at dealing with it) or you can try to hide your drone somewhere in their base to scout a bit later without having to sac an overlord (save that ovie for later). Basically, scouting drone is pretty important | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
If you find you feel uncomfortable not sending the drone then start sending it again. | ||
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Metaspace
Austria670 Posts
The overlord would arrive to late. You also need to drone scout on 3 or 4 player maps, if you get unlucky with your overlord, you'd scout too late even vs. non-cheese. Overlord to one location, drone to other(s). I typically scout on 10. | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
vZ I think its pretty useless, as it will only show if they early pooled or not. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On January 24 2011 17:41 Hetz wrote: Hi folks! Great forum btw. I was wondering, do I need to send a scouting drone as Zerg? (in ZvT and ZvP that is) I mean, you don't get to see much you didn't already expect these first 2-3 minutes of the game. Wouldn't it be better to keep the drone mining and sac an OV at 5-7 minutes? A protoss player can't stop a scouting worker until their first stalker comes out. This lets you spot most early attacks or relevant buildings (forge FE, 2 gate, etc). When they finally deny your worker, pretty much the only "surprise" attack that can hit you is a 4 gate. | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
On January 24 2011 20:36 zatic wrote: If you don't know why you are sending a drone don't send it. Never do stuff just you don't understand just because others are doing it. If you find you feel uncomfortable not sending the drone then start sending it again. While this above is true, I'd rather tell you what to look for and why I myself send my drones. If you agree with me send it, if not play as you like. So: - I send an earlyish drone against T and P both (11/12 food). For T I look for : a) Gas or not, and if it appears he is teching, I'll try to steal the second gas and adapt to get an earlier lair. b) 1 rax or 2 rax. If 2 raxing I'll try to save my drone and prepare for the push (I usually fe against T so my scouting drone gets to be a spine crawler when/if he gets home). I'll pbly have to build a lot more lings than anticipated. For P I look for: a) cheese/proxy : by that time P playing standard should have a gateway down or very soon. Mb a gas. If I scout only a pylon I get very suspicious b) Forge first - look for the P scouting probe, try and deny a contain, watch for the Forge FE build (I get to drone if he's FEing) c) double gateway zealot (not really used anymore but sometimes...) d) standard opening (gateway/core) I get to try to steal the second gas (will delay dt rush/vr rush) | ||
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teh_longinator
Canada725 Posts
Usually what I do is grab their gas, which uuussssually forces marines. Then I just FE and plop down a Baneling Nest. Of course, this is usually just when I DOUBLE gas steal.... which I used to do all the time. Force marines, and go banelings Made me happy... when it worked (my buddy is on to my tricks  ) | ||
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Truffy
United States95 Posts
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Zipp
United States5 Posts
On January 24 2011 20:36 zatic wrote: If you don't know why you are sending a drone don't send it. Never do stuff just you don't understand just because others are doing it. If you find you feel uncomfortable not sending the drone then start sending it again. This. That's one of the biggest newbie mistakes is doing things because other people are doing it without understanding WHY. I drone scout every game to make sure cheese isn't incoming or something like that (example: ZvZ being able to spot a 9 pool early is critical in defending against it) I think in this case it's more "if you feel uncomfortable with the lack of information you have without scouting, you'd better get in the habit of doing it" | ||
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Dominator1370
United States111 Posts
However, if you say that there's nothing you can find that would actually be useful, it's probably a good idea to double-check what you can actually figure out. I guarantee you, there are reasons most pros Drone scout most of the time in most matchups. You should try to figure out why, which is actually a good general rule: if someone good is doing something and it's working, there's probably a reason. There might not be, and it might actually be terrible, but it doesn't hurt to try it and see if it works for you. If it doesn't, at least you've still learned something. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
ZvT: drone can spot the following openings: -2rax pressure (or all-in): drone will see 2 barracks before gas. The 2 rax may be just marines, or it could be an all-in with possible bunker + scvs will be coming, so make zerglings and put down at least 1 spine crawler at your natural. -fast reaper: drone will see nearly completed or already completed barracks, refinery completed with 3 scvs on it, and lowered scv count (< 8 scvs mining minerals). Not common, but it can still happen. if you didn't expand, get roaches before expanding. If you did expand, don't get gas, make lings + queens at both bases. -super fast tech: drone will see gas completed, or gas started before barracks. Terran will go for factory or starport tech (usually both), so get roaches + queens, with fast lair for overseer detection vs cloaked banshees. -proxy barracks: drone sees nothing in-base. put down spine in-base as soon as pool completes, get speedlings asap. ZvP: drone can spot the following openings: -forge-first: you can be almost certain the protoss player will try to pylon-seal your ramp, or put cannons behind the mineral line of your natural. put a drone on patrol at your ramp, be ready to pull drones to kill pylons/cannons. delay gas and get zerglings + queen(s) out asap. -2gate attack: drone will see 2 gates before gas, and will see chrono-boost not being used. Get roaches before expanding (or FE -> multiple spines on maps with easy-to-defend nats). -proxy 2 gate: drone sees nothing in-base. get pool immediately -> put spine crawler in main as soon as pool finishes. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Sirion
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