The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 177

On February 12 2012 00:43 Obbalord wrote:
One simple question: Im master protoss and offracing zerg atm, i never understood why zerg only build so much roach in this matchup imo MASSS hydras + corrupter is just better ,hydras have more dps and dont get so much dmg from stalker and immortals are useless, and hydras dont get owned by forcefield that easy
ofc superearly gateway allins there u need rroach, but why in the midgame? i never have problems against roach als p :/

On February 12 2012 01:02 Baseic wrote:

Not enough gas, collosi rape hydras, hydras are very slow.

1. i have a very nice win% in ZvT but when my opponent plays mech i ALWAYS lost.. i have already asked here and someone told me go for fast 3 base, 70 drones and mass roaches.. but i need some more help. I always have to defend blu flame hellion so i have to build some roaches in the early stage of the game instead of drones because i simply can't defend BF hellion with only lings/queen/spines. and especially on tal darim if i want a fast third i have to take it a little bit far away and its not easy do defend effectively. And when the terran pushes with some thor, BF hellion and tank i can't fight him with my roaches, i always lost.. should i go for counter attack? Is there a guide? a build order or something that explain some steps on how to play vs mech?

On February 12 2012 13:31 jadenx2 wrote:
whats the best chance of beating an almost max army of Colossi, stalker/immortal ?

so far i've found tier 3 air to work best, ive tried roach/ling/infestor and i get destroyed.

On February 12 2012 09:57 Belial88 wrote:


I mean, you are on 2 base. You have 2 spines, you defend the hellions just fine. If you notice it's blueflame or mass hellions, obviously more than 1 fact, then you get a roach warren, a panic spine or two, build a few extra overlords so you can make enough roaches to hold his 1 base aggression and come out ahead.

Otherwise, it's just standard play. I generally sac an overlord at 5:30 in ZvT to make sure they expanded and see if they are going banshees or mass hellions, then get lair and spire and macro hatch. With an overseer if I see mech, I'll keep the spire (eventually want GS) and throw down roach warren. You only need a few roaches to secure that third, just drone up on 2 base until getting those roaches out. Even against mech, unless they are doing 1 base hellion all-ins, you don't want to make roaches until 50+ supply in any match-up anyways, for like you said, they hurt drone count a lot.

Then once you bust out with roaches, you double expand, drone up hardcore, then max 200/200 roaches. If he goes pure hellion/tank, you have that spire to punish him for it. I try to stay on 3 gas until I get the third up, then 4 gas. Stay off the gas, more on minerals, until you hit 200/200, to which you go for infestors, then BL.

If you are losing to mech, it sounds like your macro is just off. Provide replays, but it shouldn't ever be a problem to get a 200/200 roach army, a-move to terran's base, do at least a somewhat favorable trade that at least buys you time to get infestors, maintain security with roach/infestor (mass IT fucks mech up) until you can get BL. Mech just can't get enough to match a 4 base zerg massing roaches.

2. If toss is going double stargate (4 gas taken quickly, you saw with overlord at natural, with 2 sac'd overlords you saw empty base if not the double stargates, ie no mass gateways), it's an all-in, and treat it as such. Drone up hardcore since he won't have any gateway units, get 4 gas and lair and tech quickly, and put down lots of spores. Start off with 1 spore at main and third/natural (whichever is more vulnerable), then get a few extra queens and add spores incrementally. Eventually you'll want 3 spores per base, 1-2 queens per base, and 1-3 extra spores moving around or at the rally points so he doesn't pick off overlord or what have you. Eventually pop out the corruptors, push back with mass ling/corruptor. You can go speedbane and finish him off if he really dedicated (means no sentries to block them), or just play with a huge lead and deny his third while securing your fourth.

The main thing is don't put 3 spore down immediately. Just 1 spore, and then add on. You want to spore up the places you think he'll go first, first. So like, I'll put 2 spores down at my third, and 1 at main. Then when the first 2 void rays arrive, I add 1 more and maybe a queen, and 1 more at main and 1 at natural. And, you know, incrementally add them up. Eventually, bam, 3 spores and 2 queens per hatch. Not all at once though. You want to be droning really hard too.