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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
Replay: One Queen. Two bases. Nil saturation on both bases. Three hatcheries. Money skyrocketing before 10 minute mark under no pressure and you`re complaining about the macro mechanic? I didn't even watch the rest cause it was obvious that early on. You skimped on your larvae inject about 5 minutes in. Don't assume things are broken when you can't even do them properly. | ||
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
Some of u gave informative answers some did not. So simply I did learn some. And to say change race because I don't know the race too well is just plain stupid. I am an ok zerg player - a bit above average but i play very unstable. So I maybe was wrong about the drones but in the game I seemed soo weird. Now let's not be friends "Release the hate!!!! EDIT: and yeah the game was not good play at all but I wanted to show only the issue. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
It's like saying pizza tastes bad when the one you ate had burnt crust. Does it taste bad? You can't say because you haven't tried it properly. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:44 Orion-TF wrote: 40 drones on one base is way too many. 30 on one base should be the absolute max saturation, and really any drone past 22 is giving you lower and lower return on investment. You shouldn't need 2 hatches on one base for macro with spawn larva. It sounds like you're missing some injections if what you say is true. Sorry if I act angry^^ but I have lost so many games in a row now, and I always played zerg since beta. was in platinum in beta but now it seems like I suck. Anyway it's no doubt that they are hard to play, but also the nicest race to play imo. And I know zerg has good macro but is these games I played I was just chocked and still am. Lately is seems like having 2 hatch in 1st base is great :D if u have 40+ drones and build lots of lings and transition to ultra against T. | ||
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Draekan
Canada220 Posts
On August 28 2010 12:32 vica wrote: You cannot say there's an issue if you're not even doing the solution to the problem (larvae injection) properly. There were so many mistakes in your play that it's impossible to just say this is the problem. It's like saying pizza tastes bad when the one you ate had burnt crust. Does it taste bad? You can't say because you haven't tried it properly. QFT | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
-Your build looked really wacky. Something like 17 hatch+pool+gas all at once. You should try pooling earlier and getting a queen out faster. -By the time your queen popped you had around 400 minerals and 3 larva doing nothing. For the period I watched you actually seemed to inject regularly, but you weren't using your larva? -You constantly supply blocked yourself between almost every overlord. -Even when you weren't supply blocked you frequently had multiple idle larva and 500/250+ minerals/gas. I would suggest visiting liquipedia.net to hammer down a solid build-order you like, and after that you just need to practice your mechanics/macro. | ||
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Supa19
United States32 Posts
As Day9 pointed out today, the game is a month old today, if starcraft 2 was a human being they'd still be sleeping 20 hours a day and have a soft head. Instead of declaring you've found the reason zerg are underpowered, go play games and work on your timing/control/fundamentals. | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
At 400-500minerals, you should add a hatchery and a queen inside you own base(If you can defend 2nd then expand to 2nd). Now you have enough lavas to make a zillion lings and queens  Hey queen is good tank with tranfusion man. | ||
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csfield
United States206 Posts
yeah, it's not easy but it's way better than any other race's macro | ||
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csfield
United States206 Posts
that would be imba, right? that's zerg there's nothing stopping you from continually building one drone at a time as soon as the next one finishes just like terran and protoss being able to make a bunch at once whenever you can get away with it is better in every way | ||
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OhJesusWOW
United Kingdom127 Posts
On August 28 2010 12:32 vica wrote: You cannot say there's an issue if you're not even doing the solution to the problem (larvae injection) properly. There were so many mistakes in your play that it's impossible to just say this is the problem. It's like saying pizza tastes bad when the one you ate had burnt crust. Does it taste bad? You can't say because you haven't tried it properly. If I like my pizza crust burnt, is my opinion about pizza invalid? Because if I haven't tried pizza properly all this time I'm going to be rather disappointed. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On August 28 2010 09:40 Orion-TF wrote: I had 1000 minerals and no larvae You know what you can make with minerals? Hatcheries | ||
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
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Emmon
England21 Posts
More you practice that it will become auto and then when you get limited by resource/food count you'll know what to do next. Plus i always find it sometimes helps to have 4 or 5 spare if i'm ahead incase of drops or other surprises  | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
lol | ||
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JTouche
United States239 Posts
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Jeffbelittle
United States468 Posts
That seems like it'd fix both your problems. Had you made one hatchery in your main base, a hatchery expo where 2 extractors would likely almost double your gas income, and added anywhere from 6-14 more larvae to work with, seems like your imbalances would just.. disappear. Another thing. 1 queen but 2 hatcheries = a big nono. If you want more larvae AND a mineral dump: building queens for all of your hatcheries is a good idea. Because then you blow 150 minerals more per hatchery, and get all those extra larvae which turn into units and workers, which cost minerals, which dumps your minerals! Now you have the economy and the army! If you are zerg, and you are playing this game right, you'll either have a bigger army than him, or a bigger economy than him. If you have a bigger army, you can pump out loads of drones at a time to equal out any economy difference and still have the huge army. If you have a huge economy, you can go ahead and pump out a crud load of units to form an army. If you have a weaker economy and a weaker army, he just simply outplayed you and you need to watch all of your macro to see what you did wrong. | ||
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HeyJude
United States157 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:44 Orion-TF wrote: Anyway it's no doubt that they are hard to play, . I think that sums it up. From my experience(only 450 diamond) I've found zerg to be much more difficult to play because you do have economy vs army choices that T and P really don't have. Maybe you need to switch to protoss, you'll still have decent mobility(obviously not as much as Z) and you don't need to sacrifice units for workers nearly as much. One thing ya kinda gotta understand also is that most great Z players generally run VERY thin defense in the early-mid stages of the game. I don't scout well enough personally to run a style like this, but if you watch any top-level Z player, they always look like they have less army than their opponent...at least until they've powered up main+expo, fend off an attack, then power-army and attack. | ||
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BerserKr
Chile101 Posts
and the opening of the zerg is also a problem, its to vulnerable and way too easy to put pressure on better movility and optimizing something extremly important as production is imperative | ||
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