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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
I had 1000 minerals and no larvae and no gas because I was making hydras etc and my opponent had like 44 workers as protoss. He kept attacking with proxy pylon and I had to make units. And his income got higher because he made workers at the same time. With my 3 hatcheries i could not support more drones because of low larvae count... I was using queens as usual. What is this? am I doing something terribly wrong here? This is a weird inbalance imo. Replay is here if u want. [url blocked] | ||
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Mr.Minionman
United States164 Posts
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
On August 28 2010 09:41 Mr.Minionman wrote: lol no. though, tbh, balancing them is a problem, but #of larva is not. So tell me what is wrong with it? Why was I unable to produce workers at the same rate as the protoss? | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
That is something the opponent has to exploit, to keep pressure up constantly to foce him to make army instead of drones. Otherwise he would be outmacroed by the Z VEEEEEERRRRYYYY easly. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
You need to learn the proper timings for every matchup when you can sneak drones instead of units. If you're deficit that many, that means you're making too many combat units and not enough drones. More drones now means more combat units later. More combat units now means surviving the next attack, but less drones later. This is Z. It's how it's always been. | ||
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equiNOX-LWF
44 Posts
Another thing i find useful to help is say you're producing roaches and you hit 25/26 supply with your ovie half done. Instead of saving that larvae just max yourself by producing a drone. However i do agree that playing zerg is more demanding in terms of judgement of when to drone/ when to build army. | ||
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Jeffbelittle
United States468 Posts
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
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swymaboi
Canada85 Posts
As most TLer have said...it's a skill to know when to macro your army or your drones...what i've notice from playing/ watching reps is that it whatever you choose is dependent on what you scout. If your opps are expanding/turtling/teching, then power drones....if they're going to be aggressive then increase your army size i know it's not as simple as that but that's the most basic way to know when to drone up or not Part of learning Zerg is knowing how many units is enough to deflect an attack or to go for a push..it's something that comes intuitively to zerg players....once you figure out how many units oyu need to defend with then you can drone up Also it's not the matter of being imba....actually it's imba in the favor of Zerg actually....do you konw how quickly you can saturate an expansion with a queen there? or rebuild your army? It takes Terrans for ever to replenish their units that require the tech lab And P units can replenish quickly depending on the number of gateways...then there's the cool down For Zerg, lose your army? just remake it all at once... | ||
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RavenNevermore
Canada66 Posts
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
On August 28 2010 09:55 Jeffbelittle wrote: You can't make them both well at the same time, but you can make 7 drones at a time per hatchery, equating to a strong economy, and then later make say 7 hydras per hatchery in a meer 33 seconds. Oh aren't you a mind cracker, I did not know that. | ||
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:09 swymaboi wrote: sorry didn't look at the replay yet but wanted to answer the question As most TLer have said...it's a skill to know when to macro your army or your drones...what i've notice from playing/ watching reps is that it whatever you choose is dependent on what you scout. If your opps are expanding/turtling/teching, then power drones....if they're going to be aggressive then increase your army size i know it's not as simple as that but that's the most basic way to know when to drone up or not Part of learning Zerg is knowing how many units is enough to deflect an attack or to go for a push..it's something that comes intuitively to zerg players....once you figure out how many units oyu need to defend with then you can drone up Also it's not the matter of being imba....actually it's imba in the favor of Zerg actually....do you konw how quickly you can saturate an expansion with a queen there? or rebuild your army? It takes Terrans for ever to replenish their units that require the tech lab And P units can replenish quickly depending on the number of gateways...then there's the cool down For Zerg, lose your army? just remake it all at once... For P - just remake all your army at the enemy base Yeahoo! ^^ Nah but seriously, I know most things about zerg, but there is still quiet a lot to learn as it is for sure the hardest race to master. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
 It's a great feeling to drone perfectly until the last moment, just barely hold off a push, and then overrun someone a few minutes later with egregious macro and A+move. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Theyve lost just about everything else after all | ||
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greycubed
United States615 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:25 Tsagacity wrote: This. This isn't the biggest problem with zerg. It's quite possibly the best thing about them. OP needs to play a different race. | ||
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
Or learn zerg? you need to play with you little winky OR a different one. Give some informative answers and stop being a muppet. | ||
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Orion-TF
Sweden114 Posts
Anyway it's no doubt that they are hard to play, but also the nicest race to play imo. And I know zerg has good macro but is these games I played I was just chocked and still am. Lately is seems like having 2 hatch in 1st base is great :D if u have 40+ drones and build lots of lings and transition to ultra against T. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:37 Orion-TF wrote: Or learn zerg? you need to play with you little winky OR a different one. Give some informative answers and stop being a muppet. We've told you all you need to know. You've more or less ignored all the "informative answers". It seems to me like you're fishing for someone to say what you want to hear. You're not going to. Learn and understand Z's macro style or change races. It's that simple. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Did you even play starcraft BW? | ||
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TaiYang
Canada128 Posts
On August 28 2010 09:40 Orion-TF wrote: Is that they can't make workers simultaneously as they make army units as terran and protoss can. We have not larva enough even with 3 hatcheries. In stressful times where the enemy push hard and harass, Z needs to make more drones and army units at the same time. The money go up high and the larvae go down low. I had 1000 minerals and no larvae and no gas because I was making hydras etc and my opponent had like 44 workers as protoss. He kept attacking with proxy pylon and I had to make units. And his income got higher because he made workers at the same time. With my 3 hatcheries i could not support more drones because of low larvae count... I was using queens as usual. What is this? am I doing something terribly wrong here? This is a weird inbalance imo. Replay is here if u want. [url blocked] It worked in BW and it works now. So calm down and leave your theories behind. | ||
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