[M] (2v2) Atmosphere WIP

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

February 29 2012 02:42 GMT

While the design was originally intended to be a map starting out as a 1v1, with gaining support from your ally who was starting out on a island. Though neobowman suddenly showed me the Brood War map Black Curtain. I instantly felt like that map is the map that has it all. The ability to create alot of diversity in 2v2 games. I wanted to remake it for Starcraft 2.

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Map information
Name: Black Curtain
Players: 4 (2v2) Team crosspositioning disabled.
Playable: 132x132
Published: EU

Map notes
The central wall, northern and southern cliffs are not pathable.

The current version is just a playable version. Aesthics are not final.

If you have a replay you would like to share, please share them.

Incase of any bugs, please notify me asap!

Sinnwin

United States12 Posts

February 29 2012 03:28 GMT

Interesting. I'd personally make the 4th on the big island harder to take.

bittman

Australia8759 Posts

February 29 2012 03:30 GMT

Actually this is a really sick 2v2 concept. Dunno if it would actually work, but god it would make for some interesting games.

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

February 29 2012 03:35 GMT

@Sinnwin; will most likely rework most of the map. But you can take the current image in mind as what's coming up.

@bittman; I thought so too, I wonder why noone ever came up with such a concept!

norterrible

United States618 Posts

February 29 2012 06:20 GMT

Why can't blizzard come up with stuff like this. Great idea!

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

February 29 2012 06:38 GMT

lol. terran at island bases. feeds money and gas to partner. partner rapes main base person. game over.

Meristematic

Canada98 Posts

February 29 2012 08:34 GMT

Love the idea, seems really fun

Mephyss

Brazil128 Posts

February 29 2012 13:20 GMT

On February 29 2012 15:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
lol. terran at island bases. feeds money and gas to partner. partner rapes main base person. game over.

I think that would be a problem in every matchup, seems the best strategy would be for the island guys just collect and send to the non island guy.

Maybe if the map is mirrorred so, we have two 1v1 making everyone working on taking the upper hand on their side while still can get help early for some extra money or later with units

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

February 29 2012 13:42 GMT

I could delay or disable resource trading even further if it's too big of a problem, can I not?

dAPhREAk

Nauru12397 Posts

February 29 2012 19:13 GMT

#10

On February 29 2012 22:20 Mephyss wrote:

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true, every team can resource share, but only terran has the ability to go one rax, three oc and take three bases in almost no time at all. by the time resource sharing is allowed, terran will have a lot of minerals/gas to send to his partner. even if the terran dies after that, he can just float away and they will have the main bases.

kranten

Netherlands236 Posts

February 29 2012 19:27 GMT

#11

Would it be viable to float to the natural of your teammate with 5 scvs?

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

February 29 2012 21:17 GMT

#12

I guess you could but I´m currently designing the map with a distance far enough to avoid something like that. It can still be possible, but gives your opponent more time to get further ahead.

leviathan400

United Kingdom393 Posts

March 02 2012 21:06 GMT

#13

Great idea I think

neobowman

Canada3324 Posts

March 02 2012 21:33 GMT

#14

If you're going to make one, make it like this, without forced spawns. Either a complete air game with allied positions together or two one on ones with the capability to affect the other side.

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 04 2012 13:28 GMT

#15

@neobowman, I love you.

algue

France1436 Posts

March 04 2012 14:04 GMT

#16

On March 03 2012 06:33 neobowman wrote:
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If you're going to make one, make it like this, without forced spawns. Either a complete air game with allied positions together or two one on ones with the capability to affect the other side.

Terran Terran , Turtle Turle , Mule Mule ( No SCV full 200 pop mech , No SCV full 200 pop mech = 400 pop mech ) , Tank Tank
Win Win

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The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

March 04 2012 14:34 GMT

#17

Interesting concept, but are those center islands seigable from each other?

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 04 2012 17:29 GMT

#18

@TehTemplar, yes they were. But that concept design was done really quickly, it has already been changed.

Maur

Spain63 Posts

March 04 2012 19:23 GMT

#19

Had the idea of making a sc2 map like Iron Curtain since more than a year ago and still didn't even start with the editor xD.

This concept is also very interesting.

neobowman

Canada3324 Posts

March 04 2012 19:50 GMT

#20

I would make it myself, but I don't make 2v2 maps =P.

ClysmiC

United States2192 Posts

March 04 2012 20:39 GMT

#21

The only problem I can see with this map is Terran lifting off right at the start so they can 2v1 on the main land mass.

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 05 2012 00:04 GMT

#22

Distance for a safe landing seems quite far to be really efficient. I'm going to try and remake this, and we shall see.

@neobowman, what, you only want 1v1's in your portfolio? :p

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 06 2012 21:20 GMT

#23

Since Iron Curtain pretty much has everything I wanted to go for, I decided to remake it for SC2.

Progression:
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The northern and southern expansions have 6 mineral patches each and 1 rich vespene geyser. The central expansion has 8 mineral patches and 1 rich vespene geyser.

XNW's are placed inside the curves (8 o'clock can oversee the path of 4 o'clock a bit and 2 can see 11).

Before I start texturing and all that, what do you guys think? Anything that needs changes?
I'd like to playtest it, but I don't have anyone to try it with, and I'm not really that good at the game. Just platinum level.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

March 06 2012 21:30 GMT

#24

Looks really great. Warping in over the minerals could be problematic, or even over the walls with the watchtowers. Also, mineral walls can be messed up if mules drop on the wrong side. I think that the map shouldn't allow cross spawns for allies because that would cause positional imbalances and separate the allies too much. Otherwise, I think it's great and it's about time it's been remade in SC2.

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 06 2012 21:44 GMT

#25

I too have been having concerns about warp-ins.

I have been thinking about just not having watchtowers and maybe even having shared vision off. Might keep things interesting.
If shared vision is on, you can still warp in over the walls without the need of having watchtower control.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

March 06 2012 22:12 GMT

#26

Oh, that's a good point. I guess the only way to make it work would be to make them wide enough you can't reach with a pylon. The mineral walls might not be doable in SC2. You'd have to do like two rows of rocks, and then you are getting away from the original map quite a bit.

Dark Lord

United States38 Posts

March 07 2012 01:54 GMT

#27

Commenting on the original map, I think Zerg is too powerful here, as they are the only race capable of scouting the island early. They will at least have an idea whether an early rush is happening, like banshees, early drop, nydus, or 4gate prism, as opposed to a expand first build due to the fact early aggression on an island isnt really possible. Teams without a zerg will be pretty much completely in the dark and won't be able to properly prepare for either types of opening.

One way to minimize this effect would be to remove the naturals on the island because that would decrease the amount of strategies you could use, although one base is pretty bad for zerg players.

It's an interesting concept, I just don't think it can be balanced, although since there hasn't been any testing on it there's no was to know for sure.

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 07 2012 14:05 GMT

#28

I have been thinking more about warp-ins; if they happen early, the one who is doing so will outnumber himself on his side. If they happen later on, the other player will probably have dropships/nydus ready to support his/her ally.

kanada

Canada255 Posts

March 07 2012 14:41 GMT

#29

Yes, i see terran being an issue, especially reaper. might be best to make the sections in the middle a chasm and then where it meets minerals? so that at least early game reapers are slowed a bit.

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 11 2012 03:38 GMT

#30

I will probably put pathing blockers on the small walls so reapers cannot pass them.

Been having some frustration with making it look pretty. Trying to go for this infested protoss grounds look.

XenoX101

Australia729 Posts

March 11 2012 12:04 GMT

#31

Double walls would mean reapers and colossus can't cross. Nice map idea

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 15 2012 01:22 GMT

#32

A playable version has been uploaded on the EU. Enjoy!

Feel free to share your replays and notify me incase of any bugs.

Can an admin change to thread name to Black Curtain instead of Atmosphere WIP? Thanks in advance!

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

March 15 2012 01:52 GMT

#33

This map would be a lot of gimmicky fun, but I feel like it's just a race to exploit the map more effectively. I'm not sure you can say it has race imbalance, but things like tanks at the center expos, warpins over the minerals, and far distance to ally could make this a nightmare to play if you are not yourself doing something cheesy with your teammate.

And because of this I don't think it's worth adding in adjustments to fix some of these issues because the map will always be "broken" like that. Probably still fun though!

ClysmiC

United States2192 Posts

March 15 2012 04:33 GMT

#34

I feel like the new SC2 mechanics of warp-ins and nydus worms would make the divide kind of useless pretty early on in the game. I guess it'd also force Terran to go for a MM or MMM style as well, for the mobility that the medivacs offer.

Dead9

United States4725 Posts

March 15 2012 04:44 GMT

#35

blink stalkers yo

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

March 15 2012 05:06 GMT

#36

this. is. genius. i really think this is a new era within 2 v 2, this needs to be expounded upon.

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

March 15 2012 05:08 GMT

#37

On March 15 2012 13:44 Dead9 wrote:
blink stalkers yo

Heh, i think that could be solved by a couple methods, but the main one would be using the fog of war to set it up so they can't see but mostly just hoping the match making system makes the matchup even that each needs to defend the other.

-NegativeZero-

United States2141 Posts

March 15 2012 07:43 GMT

#38

Is it possible to put LoS blockers directly on top of the center minerals? If so, that could solve the warp-in problem.

AiurOG

United States98 Posts

March 15 2012 07:55 GMT

#39

Would teams be divided along the north/south or could team mates be split cross map from each other?

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 15 2012 18:50 GMT

#40

@-NegativeZero-; Yes it is possible, but you have to keep in mind that shared vision also allows players to warp in to the other side. But in all honesty, all races have various ways to work together and crush an opponent. We will see how it works out once we see a few games going.

@day[J]; Team Spawns can be left vs right, north vs south but never cross.

sayne

United Kingdom7 Posts

March 26 2012 15:12 GMT

#41

This may be me being stupid but when everyone is referring to the island expansions, what are they talking about? As in terran being able to lift off and feed mins?

InfestedHydralisk

Netherlands110 Posts

March 26 2012 18:40 GMT

#42

Oh that was the older version, it's been replaced by the current one.