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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 20:31:25
August 12 2010 20:29 GMT
#1


Here is the video that introduces the map (I didn't make it, the guy in the video did I guess).

Basically, it is a structured debate map where you either argue to defend or disagree with a given issue (think 'drawing contest' from sc1 ums except with debating). Each response is heavily timed has you type it out (I think it's 45 seconds per box you fill out). A winner is chosen by the remaining players who judge the discussion. This is the only custom map I have played so far and I am already fairly impressed by what the maker was able to do with the map maker. Scores are actually saved from session to session. I've entered five debates so far and am undefeated!

Here are my last two 'matches' (click to enlarge):

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I usually offer to argue either side of a debate (you can choose just one side if you prefer) which is often very challenging but also very rewarding when you win!

Problems I've encountered:

1) The level of competition so far is a bit too low. Usually I am able to defeat claims like "you are wrong" or "Jesus said so."
2) The judges are often bad. For example, I once argued against someone who was afk and only won 2-1 instead of with a unanimous 3-0 (think blogs ratings lol)
3) A lot of the 'issues' which are generated randomly (from a big list made by the creators) are not very good... a little more effort should go into this.

I'm currently working on a strategy guide for this map which will be available in thread form and in paperback. Questions, Comments, Concerns?

Share screenshots of good/bad/funny debates!

edit: srs note: people who post screenshots of themselves trolling the game and not taking it seriously will be banned :3
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
August 12 2010 21:12 GMT
#2
i saw someone post this in their blog, seems like it'd be littered with people who aren't about to take it seriously.

very nice idea though, would like to see if anything good comes out of it.
boomer hands
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 13 2010 02:32 GMT
#3
I think it would be cool if the debates themselves were stored for evaluation later.

People not taking it seriously aren't that big of a problem since they generally won't last very long (unless they are crazy). People who are malicious can just be permbanned I guess. It's true with any ums after all.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 02:53 GMT
#4
I just started playing this map and I love it!

A lot of the topics are really bad though... and judges are also kinda bad.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 13 2010 03:25 GMT
#5
On August 13 2010 11:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
I just started playing this map and I love it!

A lot of the topics are really bad though... and judges are also kinda bad.

The quality of judges is going to be similar to the quality of the people you are debating hehe

Yeah I'm trying to think of a solution to the bad topics problem. There is an option to skip the topic but a lot of players aren't capable of identifying bad topics :/
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
ocho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States172 Posts
August 13 2010 03:27 GMT
#6
This map is fricken hilarious, I love it!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 13 2010 03:46 GMT
#7
Post this at cross-x.com if you haven't yet.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 03:55:36
August 13 2010 03:55 GMT
#8
My last debate before I go sleep. The creator was playing with us so it was pretty awesome!

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I got lucky with this topic =P
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 04:15:29
August 13 2010 04:14 GMT
#9
Rather than posting the score screen to brag post the screen where the question is still visible :p

On August 13 2010 12:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Post this at cross-x.com if you haven't yet.

Er, what is cross-x.com?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
August 13 2010 04:19 GMT
#10
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 13 2010 04:20 GMT
#11
On August 13 2010 13:19 BlackMagister wrote:
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.

You don't need experience with timed debates... but a lot of people are also bad at it so yeah you can't take it too seriously lol

Fun?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 04:22 GMT
#12
Cross-x.com is a pretty big debating website. I don't know if cross-x.com will appreciate it much though. The type of debate that random people on sc do compared to world class debaters are two completely different entities and do not even follow similar concepts.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 04:23 GMT
#13
On August 13 2010 13:19 BlackMagister wrote:
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.


Timed debates are about showing off how well you can construct an argument in a short amount of time. It revolved around quick thinking and logical deduction. Forum debates are about proving to people that you are right, and is based on research and statistics.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 13 2010 05:14 GMT
#14
On August 13 2010 13:23 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 13:19 BlackMagister wrote:
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.


Timed debates are about showing off how well you can construct an argument in a short amount of time. It revolved around quick thinking and logical deduction. Forum debates are about proving to people that you are right, and is based on research and statistics.

True, but sometimes I feel like what you said isn't true: "Forum debates are about proving to people that you are right, and is based on research and statistics"

More like.... it's about convincing people you are right using whatever means necessary!
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 16:07 GMT
#15
Anyone else find the guy in the vid super cute?
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
August 13 2010 16:50 GMT
#16
On August 14 2010 01:07 Chairman Ray wrote:
Anyone else find the guy in the vid super cute?


No. O_o.
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 18:06 GMT
#17
On August 14 2010 01:50 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 01:07 Chairman Ray wrote:
Anyone else find the guy in the vid super cute?


No. O_o.


=(
elite_goomba
Profile Joined August 2010
United States9 Posts
August 13 2010 23:35 GMT
#18
woo go rodrigo! fun map :D
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 14 2010 00:32 GMT
#19
On August 13 2010 13:14 micronesia wrote:
Rather than posting the score screen to brag post the screen where the question is still visible :p

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On August 13 2010 12:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Post this at cross-x.com if you haven't yet.

Er, what is cross-x.com?

Debate website... I dunno just thought they would like it and a lot of people there would have SC2. But I see it isn't your map so not really your problemo.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 02:38:25
August 14 2010 02:34 GMT
#20
I played once, everyone in the game was dumb and had absolutely no idea how to differentiate between good points and dumb/repetitive ones and are swayed by arguments such as "vote for me if you like girls/boobs."

And one of said people had a ton of points and was near the top scores, which leads me to believe that's quite common.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
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