Please bookmark and refresh this thread to check ladder standings. It will help the traffic load on the TSL team page on ICCup if we all check here. Thanks.
The idea was to try and avoid having too many people hitting the iccup site as it's been struggling quite a bit recently, so I decided not to include hyperlinks.
It's good to see Lamer is intrested in starcraft again .I hope he takes this tournament seriously and be active for once , althought being inactive is his style .Almost 50 games and only 2 losses i see he hasn't lost his touch , althought i don't know the level of the competition he's had. I'm gonna give a guess that TSL-Random is Testie .
On April 11 2008 01:54 raga4ka wrote: It's good to see Lamer is intrested in starcraft again .I hope he takes this tournament seriously and be active for once , althought being inactive is his style .Almost 50 games and only 2 losses i see he hasn't lost his touch , althought i don't know the level of the competition he's had. I'm gonna give a guess that TSL-Random is Testie .
On April 10 2008 18:57 Hot_Bid wrote: TSL-Testie is Testie
On April 11 2008 01:54 raga4ka wrote: It's good to see Lamer is intrested in starcraft again .I hope he takes this tournament seriously and be active for once , althought being inactive is his style .Almost 50 games and only 2 losses i see he hasn't lost his touch , althought i don't know the level of the competition he's had. I'm gonna give a guess that TSL-Random is Testie .
testie is TSL-Testie random i think is [only]random
On April 11 2008 13:49 beefhamburger wrote: So this is more up to date than the ICCUP site? Because currently this has more games for players than ICCUP.
Yes, the ICCup site has not updated for a few hours now. This data is directly from the server, updated every hour.
I feel kinda bad for Artosis. He's played so many games but just keeps falling in rank. And still no Testie in Top 100 is a bit surprising, although Draco rose quite fast so I assume Testie can do the same if he actually starts mass gaming.
On April 11 2008 18:37 Devolved wrote: I feel kinda bad for Artosis. He's played so many games but just keeps falling in rank. And still no Testie in Top 100 is a bit surprising, although Draco rose quite fast so I assume Testie can do the same if he actually starts mass gaming.
Unless you are upper B+/A-, there's not even a point worrying about rank this week. He can get some good games with Koreans now and focus on his rank next week.
It's going to get pretty interesting next week I think.
tsl is kinda lame because its a ladder inside a LADDER the tsl players only play vs other foreigners so they kind of ignore the high ranked koreans they dont need to play the koreans to level how retarded it that..
but on the otherside not much wrong with tsl but i think they should split the tsl ladder from the iccup ladder
On April 11 2008 23:34 Strong wrote: tsl is kinda lame because its a ladder inside a LADDER the tsl players only play vs other foreigners so they kind of ignore the high ranked koreans they dont need to play the koreans to level how retarded it that..
but on the otherside not much wrong with tsl but i think they should split the tsl ladder from the iccup ladder
many of the tsl top ranked players play koreans... its not as if koreans are completely ignored. the only player not playing koreans and made a statement about it was mondi, and even that when u reach a-, you're bound to have to play a korean sooner or later seeing as how there are only so many foreigners that are your rank or higher -_-
This is really great guys. I couldnt make an account in time to even come close, so Im not playing. I'm really suprised to see TT1 so high, but I guess since he's active it helps. GOGO LOCALHOST!
On April 13 2008 01:50 LordWeird wrote: This is really great guys. I couldnt make an account in time to even come close, so Im not playing. I'm really suprised to see TT1 so high, but I guess since he's active it helps. GOGO LOCALHOST!
On April 13 2008 01:50 LordWeird wrote: This is really great guys. I couldnt make an account in time to even come close, so Im not playing. I'm really suprised to see TT1 so high, but I guess since he's active it helps. GOGO LOCALHOST!
u should see how much i dropped actually
Im not trying to BM you or anything bro, good job actually, it just suprised me. :D
On April 13 2008 11:35 ._. wrote: Where is NAZGUL?
T_T
losing buttloads of games >_< Hes like 70 something and 50 something.
It's awesome hes playing and all but this ladder is fucking hard. Everything at and after B- is DAMN hard. Nostalgics like Nazgul, Asmoday, Leg etc.. while nice to see playing most likely wont make it. It will take B if not B+ to be in the top 48 and there is 1 more week to do that. In fact I think for sure its B+.
but he also said that he's getting better and more familiar with the new maps, and has the time to play lots of games. he played 80 games nonstop in a single session. you heard that right.
Mad respect to Nazgul to do 80 games in a row. That's over 13 hours straight if every game only lasts 10 minutes on average and no downtime between games. I can't even look at the comp screen for that long. :| Nazgul fighting!
On April 13 2008 12:21 goldrush wrote: Mad respect to Nazgul to do 80 games in a row. That's over 13 hours straight if every game only lasts 10 minutes on average and no downtime between games. I can't even look at the comp screen for that long. :| Nazgul fighting!
pretty ridiculous start to the final week, a lot of players making a push into the top 10 and everyone trying to get a higher position, even the very top ranks
TSL-Machine had a california fire take out his internet. They say it will be back on in 2 weeks... really really sucks for him. He is 57th atm and definately could have skimmed into the top 48.
On April 15 2008 02:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: TSL-Machine had a california fire take out his internet. They say it will be back on in 2 weeks... really really sucks for him. He is 57th atm and definately could have skimmed into the top 48.
the time i play is exactly when the korean progamers get on. their regular practice day has just ended and then they get their free time on iccup. i've been playing poorly against them but once i get it together, i'll start breaking even with them and it'll be np ;o
lol this ladder is pretty tough.. every other ladder I can recall always had like, some "freewin" players at b/b- and its equivalent but here pretty much everyone is actually pretty good i'll see if I get top 48 or not, its definitely possible that I'll try.
On April 15 2008 08:25 Liquid`Drone wrote: lol this ladder is pretty tough.. every other ladder I can recall always had like, some "freewin" players at b/b- and its equivalent but here pretty much everyone is actually pretty good i'll see if I get top 48 or not, its definitely possible that I'll try.
Im sure if u play as much as the top people are playing u will def get in
Fuck yeah Nazgul is my hero :D:D I remember his replays were what made me want to learn Protoss/get serious about learning starcraft back in the day :p
And I just played 9 or 10 games with him I don't remember. Such a fun player to play : ]
Yessss I got on there #98... it's unfortunate I just lost 3 games and will not be on there next update though. Tomorrow night i'll have to work on that.
I honestly don't uderstand the fuss about the rank you need to have in order to get to top48... since when is B "omg omg so high" ? Really, if top20 won't be at least A- by the end of this ladder round I'd be dissapointed since that means everyone could enter the league if he / she found the time for massgaming.
On April 16 2008 15:54 True_Spike wrote: I honestly don't uderstand the fuss about the rank you need to have in order to get to top48... since when is B "omg omg so high" ? Really, if top20 won't be at least A- by the end of this ladder round I'd be dissapointed since that means everyone could enter the league if he / she found the time for massgaming.
All the players have been saying that "B" this season is quite a bit different than "B" in previous seasons.
On April 16 2008 15:54 True_Spike wrote: I honestly don't uderstand the fuss about the rank you need to have in order to get to top48... since when is B "omg omg so high" ? Really, if top20 won't be at least A- by the end of this ladder round I'd be dissapointed since that means everyone could enter the league if he / she found the time for massgaming.
All the players have been saying that "B" this season is quite a bit different than "B" in previous seasons.
i'd estimate b this season with a good record = high b+ to low a- in previous seasons
The race for Top 16 also is more important because of the way the pairing system for the Qualifiers Round 1 works.
If you are #17 you get paired with #48 in the first round of qualifiers. Usually this means you have a favorable draw, because even though you barely missed the Top 16, you get to play the "easiest" Top 48 qualifier.
However, with players like Legionnaire, Day, Nazgul, Advocate, Ex, Lamer, and others trying to sneak in during the last week, Ladder Seeds #40-48 could be very, very strong players. The Top 16 spot is that much more valuable.
Do you think any of the korean pro gamers used iccup to play the Tsl top players? I mean Savior would probably want revenge from Mondragon.(yes i know i he doesn't play koreans)
On April 16 2008 20:53 SirGlinG wrote: Do you think any of the korean pro gamers used iccup to play the Tsl top players? I mean Savior would probably want revenge from Mondragon.(yes i know i he doesn't play koreans)
On April 16 2008 18:51 Hot_Bid wrote: The race for Top 16 also is more important because of the way the pairing system for the Qualifiers Round 1 works.
If you are #17 you get paired with #48 in the first round of qualifiers. Usually this means you have a favorable draw, because even though you barely missed the Top 16, you get to play the "easiest" Top 48 qualifier.
However, with players like Legionnaire, Day, Nazgul, Advocate, Ex, Lamer, and others trying to sneak in during the last week, Ladder Seeds #40-48 could be very, very strong players. The Top 16 spot is that much more valuable.
#17 is not going to be a happy guy.
But at least he's not #49.
Yeah, I'm already feeling sorry for the guy who checks TL on the last day to find himself at #49 lol.
On April 16 2008 15:54 True_Spike wrote: I honestly don't uderstand the fuss about the rank you need to have in order to get to top48... since when is B "omg omg so high" ? Really, if top20 won't be at least A- by the end of this ladder round I'd be dissapointed since that means everyone could enter the league if he / she found the time for massgaming.
you couldnt be more wrong and u would know what im talking about if you played the ladder
Getting high ranks and maintining them is so much harder than any pgt or iccup season before.. Really..
On April 16 2008 15:54 True_Spike wrote: I honestly don't uderstand the fuss about the rank you need to have in order to get to top48... since when is B "omg omg so high" ? Really, if top20 won't be at least A- by the end of this ladder round I'd be dissapointed since that means everyone could enter the league if he / she found the time for massgaming.
you couldnt be more wrong and u would know what im talking about if you played the ladder
Getting high ranks and maintining them is so much harder than any pgt or iccup season before.. Really..
Completely agreed ~~;;
Last season I was doing so well and thought I could get around B+ or even A- if I kept playing until the end, so I thought the same about this season. nope. I have been knocked down from B- at least 5 times so far lol.
On April 16 2008 20:53 SirGlinG wrote: Do you think any of the korean pro gamers used iccup to play the Tsl top players? I mean Savior would probably want revenge from Mondragon.(yes i know i he doesn't play koreans)
On April 13 2008 12:49 useLess wrote: 4 A- now. At this rate, the top 16 will all be at least A-.
its only been a few days, but that number has increased to 11, with 3 more in prime position to move into that rank too. top 48 will easily be Bs, maybe even at least B+
I'm just going to say how astounded i am at the skill, determination and dedication that the players on this ladder have. It's really something else, and i know that this means all the games from the qualifiers on are going to be insane. It's certainly likely that the quality of TSL may be better than the MSL or OSL :O
On April 17 2008 07:48 Legionnaire wrote: I'd like to get top 16 but i wont have time.
Can't play today at all, so that leaves fri afternoon, all weekend and monday afternoon
I guess i'll just aim for low 30's and hope thats enough.
I'm impressed Leg managed to compete on such a high level after coming back from God knows when. I'm suprised he isn't having trouble with all the new innovations in the mu's.
Leg, if you read this, how's your PvZ? Specifically, what do you think of forge/fe, and does it make PvZ easier or are you still trying to learn the subtleties of the build? Which style of PvZ do you feel most comfortable with? What do you think of everyone's increased apm (and multi task?)
On April 17 2008 11:04 Shymon wrote: A- might not even get a spot in the top 16 at this rate... Foreigners FIGHTING!
Although the final few days here could yield some mass gaming.. i dont think a lot of shifting will happen in the top 20. The bottom 48 is the true battleground ;;
Wow man, this tournament is so impressive. I really think that the big amount of games makes the whole foreign starcraft scene much better - skillwise. There have been more games played between top foreigners in this tournament than in the last 12 month. I also hope that we will see some new faces in this tournament, not only the old and older ones. I think this is much more important for the foreign scene.
Cmon foreigners! We have to stay together against the korean tyranny!!
On April 17 2008 12:38 thunk wrote: I'm impressed Leg managed to compete on such a high level after coming back from God knows when. I'm suprised he isn't having trouble with all the new innovations in the mu's.
Gayness transcends innovation my young padawan.
Most of my early losses were because i didn't know any of the maps. Most of my later losses are because of my macro.
Leg, if you read this, how's your PvZ? Specifically, what do you think of forge/fe, and does it make PvZ easier or are you still trying to learn the subtleties of the build? Which style of PvZ do you feel most comfortable with? What do you think of everyone's increased apm (and multi task?)
Not good. Bleh haven't seen much of it so i can't comment, although everyone talks about it (back when i did IEST and stuff in china, draco was tlaking about how FE was the only build that there was, and that was 2 years ago - or thereabouts) Always felt most comfortable with 2 gate vs every race, just because i can normally outplay ppl afterwards. (not vs t obviously) - and... much more importantly i'm much less likely to lose if i stufff up some micro early on as i have plenty of zeals
Everyone macro's like a god now. It sucks
Especially since i was always a slower player, so i really had to work on my macro when i was in korea, so that was one of the things that disappeared the most since i quit. So i'm nowhere near where i used to be in macro, while everyone else is a lot better, so it makes it quite tough.
I know one game i had over 8k. A few others i've gone over 4.
And i just sit there thinking... you stupid idiot... you have 6 expansions and 6-8 gateways WTF are you doing?... then i go and build another nexus.
Fortunately i can still micro my reavers.
Rest my little scarabs, for your day shall be upon us very soon!
Great event, it gathered and focus so much sc players (dormant) energy in that ladder. I mean of course the prize is the biggest factor here but it needed to be organized. TL sensed and executed it.
On April 17 2008 22:01 Senx wrote: White-ra takes #1 spot, most boring player the world has ever seen :E
Remember him trying to cheese vs savior in WCG and losing horribly, lost all my respect for him then.
Still he's probably the most mannered guy to ever set foot on the SC scene, so yeah props to him for reaching the #1 spot, although i doubt he'll be able to keep it for long.
If i see Leg in the qualifiers i can die a happy man.
On April 17 2008 22:01 Senx wrote: White-ra takes #1 spot, most boring player the world has ever seen :E
Remember him trying to cheese vs savior in WCG and losing horribly, lost all my respect for him then.
White-Ra is probably my favorite player. He's a really solid player and incredibly nice IRL. He will always be GM no matter what the circumstances, and is in general a really easy going player.
He knows he has no chance against progamers straight-up in WCG, so what's the best chance of beating them? Practicing one cheese a lot to try and surprise a progamer. I really can't blame him for that. He's a lot older then most progamers, so he isn't as fast anymore. He makes up for this by mass practice.
On April 17 2008 22:01 Senx wrote: White-ra takes #1 spot, most boring player the world has ever seen :E
Remember him trying to cheese vs savior in WCG and losing horribly, lost all my respect for him then.
QFT. White-Ra is gosu. He constantly achieves good results. I'd like to see you get 4th plave at WCG.
Do you guys think that Artosis will make it. He's dropped really low. And he's invested so much time into this ladder. It'll be a shame if he fails to make it.
On April 17 2008 22:01 Senx wrote: White-ra takes #1 spot, most boring player the world has ever seen :E
Remember him trying to cheese vs savior in WCG and losing horribly, lost all my respect for him then.
QFT. White-Ra is gosu. He constantly achieves good results. I'd like to see you get 4th plave at WCG.
Do you guys think that Artosis will make it. He's dropped really low. And he's invested so much time into this ladder. It'll be a shame if he fails to make it.
Goody quit after losing a lot of games in a row. I hope Artosis doesn´t fall into the same trap. Mass gaming can be quite dangerous now considering the stiff competition.
On April 18 2008 00:06 DTF-ZeRo wrote: 11 A- now and #48 changes all the time. Seems like one will need at least A- for top16 and B+ for top48. Quite tough
That's what I predicted about one week ago when Mondi hit A-. Hot Bid said that A- will probably secure a place in the top 16. At the way things are now, it's not sure, but I'm 100% sure there will be some critical changes during the weekend, when people will mass game their ass off for a last-minute climb.
Mondragon DID NOT hit A rank. He was listed as A here with 10333 points. A rank starts at 10500 points. R1CH probably made the script so A rank is displayed when a player hits 10000 points?
In other news Lamer just reseted and logged off. I guess he wont be a feature in TSL anymore lol.
If I'm not mistaken, Mondragon has (had) a really high winning percentage against White-Ra, including 2-0 in the WCG series for third place, and owning him in clanleagues as far as I can remember. Interestingly, all those games between Mondragon and White-Ra were on Python. Is it Python (and its lack of easily securable third base) to blame or did White-Ra suddenly get even better? His games against Xiaozi were also all on Python.
haivan is correct, the point threshold for A is wrong, it should be 10500. maybe the script can be adapted to parse the player's rank directly from the iccup page
On April 18 2008 04:34 ahole-surprise wrote: Is it Python (and its lack of easily securable third base) to blame or did White-Ra suddenly get even better?
Probably neither.
Funny to note that they each played 10 games vs the #1/#2 ranked players on the ladder only to lose 50 points.
On April 17 2008 10:56 Plexa wrote: I'm just going to say how astounded i am at the skill, determination and dedication that the players on this ladder have. It's really something else, and i know that this means all the games from the qualifiers on are going to be insane. It's certainly likely that the quality of TSL may be better than the MSL or OSL :O
TSL won't be better than MSL or OSL because TSL has a boring map pool
On an unrelated note: I posted Faoi IV in its thread, tell me what you guys think of it ._.
Mondragon hitting A is cool, but wasn't Mistrzzz A+ and in the top 5 last season wasn't it? Is the competition really that much harder, or was Mistrzzz avoiding koreans like the plague?
On April 18 2008 08:11 Nightmarjoo wrote: Mondragon hitting A is cool, but wasn't Mistrzzz A+ and in the top 5 last season wasn't it? Is the competition really that much harder, or was Mistrzzz avoiding koreans like the plague?
You can't even compare this season to the last one, this season is so much harder it's ridiculous.
On April 17 2008 10:56 Plexa wrote: I'm just going to say how astounded i am at the skill, determination and dedication that the players on this ladder have. It's really something else, and i know that this means all the games from the qualifiers on are going to be insane. It's certainly likely that the quality of TSL may be better than the MSL or OSL :O
TSL won't be better than MSL or OSL because TSL has a boring map pool
On April 17 2008 10:56 Plexa wrote: I'm just going to say how astounded i am at the skill, determination and dedication that the players on this ladder have. It's really something else, and i know that this means all the games from the qualifiers on are going to be insane. It's certainly likely that the quality of TSL may be better than the MSL or OSL :O
TSL won't be better than MSL or OSL because TSL has a boring map pool
On April 17 2008 10:56 Plexa wrote: I'm just going to say how astounded i am at the skill, determination and dedication that the players on this ladder have. It's really something else, and i know that this means all the games from the qualifiers on are going to be insane. It's certainly likely that the quality of TSL may be better than the MSL or OSL :O
TSL won't be better than MSL or OSL because TSL has a boring map pool
On April 18 2008 11:57 Valentine wrote: Well he speaks the truth :p
We didn't even announce the TSL maps yet, how do you know our map pool is boring?
Plus we're not aiming for TSL to be better than OSL or MSL, that's insane lol
On April 18 2008 20:55 Random() wrote: I don't understand why did White-Ra choose to play so many games against koreans so close to the end of the ladder...
Just yesterday I thought if I were so high a the top now I'd just use my rank to get some quality games vs progamers for practice because I will stay in the top48 nonetheless and probably be able to stay in the top16 seeing that I already made it there once.
On April 18 2008 21:14 Asta wrote: Just yesterday I thought if I were so high a the top now I'd just use my rank to get some quality games vs progamers for practice because I will stay in the top48 nonetheless and probably be able to stay in the top16 seeing that I already made it there once.
That makes sense. I also thought that iccup's system encourages mass gaming on any level, that is if you play enough games against your rank winning at least 50% you are guaranteed to grow in rating, but apparently that is only true for lower ranks. So if everyone massgames like crazy during the weekend, the top players' ratings aren't likely to increase significantly, and he is quite likely to stay in the top 16.
he will be in there no worries.. whitera plays this game en masse fellas. He had a run of A- - B koreans.. if you have no experience with them let me elaborate: The 120-95 record koreans are SICK that record came from playing OTHER koreans with NO incentive to dodge or avoid the better players, in fact most of the time they HUNT DOWN the best records cause that is usually a professional. That is just the "bad" record koreans, dont get me started on the ones who exist in said scenario and come out with 70% or better winning records.
On April 19 2008 00:39 {88}iNcontroL wrote: he will be in there no worries.. whitera plays this game en masse fellas. He had a run of A- - B koreans.. if you have no experience with them let me elaborate: The 120-95 record koreans are SICK that record came from playing OTHER koreans with NO incentive to dodge or avoid the better players, in fact most of the time they HUNT DOWN the best records cause that is usually a professional. That is just the "bad" record koreans, dont get me started on the ones who exist in said scenario and come out with 70% or better winning records.
I've been learning this the hard way. Koreans with ~60% win rate are beastly.
wow white ra has now gone from first to 48th in 24 hours. that's so crazy... the final few days of this latter are going to be pretty intense, I predict.
On April 19 2008 06:09 talismania wrote: wow white ra has now gone from first to 48th in 24 hours. that's so crazy... the final few days of this latter are going to be pretty intense, I predict.
3-25 vs. Koreans and now he's in jeopardy of not even making the cut because there's still a lot of good players below him o_O
well after being so high then losing that many games and falling to b the games seem so easy aftwewards at that level so it doesnt really matter for him to get top 48, he'll probably get a- back in 1 day
On April 19 2008 16:07 Ancestral wrote: My mind boggles at the fact that random Koreans take down top foreigners >80% of the time.
Although this has been debated in the past endlessly.. Foreigners dont get as much exposure to extremely exacting gameplay. These koreans see opening and they are just ready to jump at it every time.
It is funny how many times ive blown games vs 55% win rate koreans who when behind take one super well executed opportunity and end up winning on a push + simultaneous drop or something. gawd:d
On April 19 2008 17:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote: also koreans ONLY play python which I have found is having a hugely adverse effect for those of us (foreigners) that play like 5-6 maps..
Why is it that Koreans have this love affair with Python?
Well actually I think since most of TSL users don't (wisely) play koreans there's an huge skill gap at the same rank. I'd say most of the B koreans equal A- TSL players atm o,O
On April 19 2008 22:57 Plexa wrote: i wonder if idra will be overtaken in these last couple days =/
nah i was just playing it for fun during my breaks the last week ive given in and started picking opponents now, gonna see if i can get top 16 since the qualifiers are middle of the night for me.
Would top foreigners get better by playing with koreans on iccup if TSL wasn't giving them an incentive not to? Also, are the koreans high up actually better than e.g. Mondragon and Draco, or are they just better practiced/more active?
On April 20 2008 02:47 Nightmarjoo wrote: they better :O
Would top foreigners get better by playing with koreans on iccup if TSL wasn't giving them an incentive not to? Also, are the koreans high up actually better than e.g. Mondragon and Draco, or are they just better practiced/more active?
They are better by far. If you look at the ICCUP Who is who thread you will notice that almost all the koreans that are above mondragon are actually progamers which make it into osl/msl.
I realize it's been said quite a few times, but I really could not believe just how much better the koreans are - playing at the C+/B- range, I thought the difference would be minimal, if at all. Boy was I wrong, the B- Koreans have really really solid mechanics, their macro alone would completely steamroll me, which has yet to happen a single time vs a foreigner (Not that I've played anyone really good though, but still!).
Koreans are just really really good, I guess that's my point !
yeah he was on today. looks like testie is gonna suck it up and play the game that bores him so much. another bunch of wins will secure his spot. im sure he'll qualify
On April 20 2008 06:38 ZlyKiss wrote: hmm TSL-DinOt seems very solid. Nice stats with nice ratio plus hes taking his chances agains kors. Is he a new face or im just an ignorant?
He's not new. He's a Chilean zerg who plays on MYM. It looks like he's in great form, though, because as you said he's been winning a good number of games against A- Koreans.
On April 13 2008 12:49 useLess wrote: 4 A- now. At this rate, the top 16 will all be at least A-.
its only been a few days, but that number has increased to 11, with 3 more in prime position to move into that rank too. top 48 will easily be Bs, maybe even at least B+
I'm so proud that Testie started playing again. I guess he is doing it for everyone else and his fans. Thanks again. I know I've said it like 5 times already but I really love Testie's style.
The points of the 48th spot won't stop increasing until the ladder finishes. So either you get into the very top or you keep playing until the time is over. Guess there will be a lot of guys who will be disappointed because they thought they made it and got kicked out at the last minute. Especially those for whom the deadline is in the early morning or so.
This is really getting exciting as we get closer and closer to the end. I would never have thought the rankings would be this high for just qualifiers.
On April 20 2008 16:28 Legionnaire wrote: I need to stop playing koreans and zergs.
At least 16-8 vs koreans isn't so bad, even though i'm only playing the chobo ones
hi leg! i almost cried when i saw TSL-Leg appear. i intently followed your progress since 6-0. every time i check the ladder, i would ctrl-f "leg". you are now in the top 48. i just have to scroll down a bit.
that doesnt convey even 1% of my intent emotions.
AAAH... im still trying to come up with a way to convey how proud i am of you and to be an aussie.
My unit combinations are pretty poor, i either dont get any zealots or i only get zealots. its weird, that used to be one of my stongest features i think
Going to sleep, lets hope not many ppl jump ahead of me overnight, and that i can get a few gmaes in tomorrow after work
This is like 30 fishes trying to squeeze into a 10 fish house. those last 15 spots are separated by mere 350 points. with so many good players it'll be more about luck as to who gets qualified among them.
On April 21 2008 12:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: In all seriousness, Mondragon and IdrA keep dodging me and I don't want to waste my time on any other players. G-_-g
On April 21 2008 12:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: In all seriousness, Mondragon and IdrA keep dodging me and I don't want to waste my time on any other players. G-_-g
well, six and a half hours left, but i have to sleep. srsly, everyone is so close i cant imagine how the players must be feeling. there should be some sort of group interview with those available about their experiences in the ladder stage
It looks like it could be bad for Ief being #16, offline, and with Idra 1, Mistrzz 2, and Temujin 3 wins from taking his spot, all online at the moment.
sigh every fucking B+ or better dodges so i have to play a bunch of B's to get top 16, and the last one before i get there 10 15 range rushes on longinus and turns on extra high lat(already playing without lat launcher) as he attacks. fucking faggots
On April 22 2008 01:00 LonelyMargarita wrote: Quick...an admin needs to start another random countdown and not tell anyone what it's for. We can't have no countdowns!
Oh someone had a good question: Do games in progress count, or is it locked to your last completed game before now?
When the ladder time ends, you will finish your last game and it counts.
Wow, IdrA just dropped like 200 points. Can a single game do that or does it only update once an hour or so (on the iccup server, not the rankings in this thread)?
On April 22 2008 01:04 ryung70 wrote: i can imagine that some ppl abused in the last hour
I can imagine that we on staff can imagine that such imagination was possible and therefore I would also imagine that we would investigate anyone who may have imagined such a course of action.
On April 22 2008 01:04 ryung70 wrote: i can imagine that some ppl abused in the last hour
I can imagine that we on staff can imagine that such imagination was possible and therefore I would also imagine that we would investigate anyone who may have imagined such a course of action.
only G5, notforyou, spx are in position to qualify in 1 game (if they are playing now), impossible for testie to not qualify, unless someone from wins those crazy A- koreans.
i cant believe this guy abused the system to get into top 48, he just played like 10 games againts his teammate and he lost 1 game probably to say his not abusing it LOL, he should be disqualifed tsl-ultraling: http://iccup.com/iccmatchlist/290436/1x1/
Rofl fuck this Ultraling guy plz, abusing like that sucks and steals me the slot and rofl @ Ex's abuse, guys wtf because of you i'm #50 now, honestly burn in hell plz.
G5 can still make it, if he is playing last game and admins disqualify enough people. but sux for him, he reached 8466 high, qualifying score before messing with koreans.
Ex looks a bit fishy but 25+min game in there for example, probably clean. Ultraling could hardly break b+ to get thrown out again and then goes 7-1 against a teammate in the last hours. Fenix just lol, however i like his situation now, #49 with 2points short :D Lets hope the ladder doesnt need to update still.
But it's up to TL's admins to sort things out ofcourse...
its really sad that many people just did this to get into top 48, probably next time the system should be different, the 1st 48 guys to reach A- should be in or something like that cuz at this TSL people just didnt abuse they dodged as well, it was really hard to get games if u had good stats =\
G5 can still make it, if he is playing last game and admins disqualify enough people. but sux for him, he reached 8466 high, qualifying score before messing with koreans.
By that logic Ex too abused within the rules, he played the same guy 4 times in a row then played a game vs another guy then 5 more against the first one, so i guess thats legit abusing lol
G5 can still make it, if he is playing last game and admins disqualify enough people. but sux for him, he reached 8466 high, qualifying score before messing with koreans.
By that logic Ex too abused within the rules, he played the same guy 4 times in a row then played a game vs another guy then 5 more against the first one, so i guess thats legit abusing lol
Where is the rule exactly? i thought it was 24 hour period 5 games max.
Ex didnt even know ladder ended today,I told him about that 20 min ago. Anyways if you see the match list the games look ok.i guess admins could also check his reps.
looking back... MAYBE they should have not even decleared a clear deadline.. so that no one knows when the cut will be and thus abusing at the very end.. but well whatsoever.. im so looking forward how this will all be dealt with..
On April 22 2008 02:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote: you're kidding right? I mean, that has to be one of the worst ideas I ever saw.. for so many reasons I cannot even begin.
You're talking to Phil about the no definite deadline idea, right? If so, yes.
On April 22 2008 02:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote: you're kidding right? I mean, that has to be one of the worst ideas I ever saw.. for so many reasons I cannot even begin.
You're talking to Phil about the no definite deadline idea, right? If so, yes.
Woops yeah the lil bastard snuck a post in between us.. but yeah, phil was the moron I was referring to
On April 22 2008 02:28 spoinka wrote: wow the amount of abusing on the last day is insane :D some people just dont get it , i guess...
Of course they "get it" it worked. TSL cannot prove and is not strong enough to act on what they know beyond a reasonable doubt in regard to free winning.
I'm sorry but in what context do you play your friend minutes before the closure of the biggest online event and BEAT THEM knowing you cannot make it but they could if they beat you? That is called abuse. It is a non competetive situation in which one player was always gonna win and the other was always gonna lose so as to achieve a direct goal.
I believe there will be replay analysis to detirmine if there is freelosing although I doubt anyone will be stupid enough to just leave for no reason so I expect a few will slip through.
Ultraling's last games were legit. It was not abuse, unless he played more than he was allowed to for one day (I don't know what the match limit vs the same player for B+ is). But if you check the replays you'll see that the games were really close. I watched like 3-4 of them and there's no way it was a setup. Just watch the replays.
New plan. keep your speculation to yourself - we have the replays needed to make decisions on "abusers" and the final 48 will be announced once we set the brackets.
Also the screenshots posted by Haivan are irrelevant because scythe hotbid and i had a 15 minute discussion outside of the b.net channel. nice try ^_^/"
HaiVan, are you some detective joining channel posting 1/5th of a conversation that didn't influence the decision that was made?
I really should just ban you for trying to "sneak" information when you shouldn't have even been in that channel in the first place.
There was one complaint by G5 that had not gone through yet in the ICCup complaint system, and it didn't matter how much he pleaded with us, the complaint went through so he got the points. That's all. It has nothing to do with whatever "story" people were telling.
So while there are thousands of pages of speculation on other proleague picks/results/etc, we cannot speculate on who will be in the top 48 of our own proleague?
it's funny how ppl talk only cuz they see some1 beat with a big score some other person ( friend or not ), sure i want to play vs my friend in last hour, i dont wan't to waste last hour of TSL looking 30 mins for games, i prefer to play and play, without wait. at least if u guys would see the reps than talk, maybe you should go play and learn instead of talk shit about others WITHOUT being informed. about me and my "abuse" vs some1 from my country and EVEN from my team for those who didn't knew check last games of TSL-DeathAngel ( romanian and NrT- member ), he lost vs NrT.FlaF ( they live in same country and are part of same team ), FlaF droppped him alot of points, why he would beat one of his friend and give freewins to other? just try to think more than a chicken plz, i know that for some of you that is really hard... if u can't don't blame urself, it's not ur fault, but if u know u can't think more than a chicken than try to stfu.
I am waiting for +75 points which would make testie drop to #49 ^_^ well atleast I hope old complaints (that was submitted before TSL ended) still gets added to the playlist. I was so mad last night when I played 3 games because I though it was "easy wins" but I ended losing all 3 of them :S, I managed to win 2 games after tho, which probobly saved my ass now. 4 people have to get infront of me from complaints, and there are only a few ppl who are in the points margin to do so. Ahh well I guess the 49- ~55 will get a chance to play anyway because of ppl not showing.
Great ladder even tho it totally fucked up my school I will have to work my ass off with school now just to lose in the first round ^_^
Rofl. Yeah, the scheme was to get DeathAngel to play 200 games in 5 days so he could then intentionally lose to Flaf who would, in turn, intentionally lose to Ultraling, in what appears to be even to the trained eye, really close games.
Great thinking iNc. Spot on.
And I know it seems like I'm defending him, but seriously, I'm only speaking up because I've seen the games first hand. Why not just look at the damn replays like Kennigit said before you start speculating left and right? You're a zerg player inc, watch those replays and then come back and say the games were faked.
On April 22 2008 04:09 CubEdIn wrote: Rofl. Yeah, the scheme was to get DeathAngel to play 200 games in 5 days so he could then intentionally lose to Flaf who would, in turn, intentionally lose to Ultraling, in what appears to be even to the trained eye, really close games.
Great thinking iNc. Spot on.
And I know it seems like I'm defending him, but seriously, I'm only speaking up because I've seen the games first hand. Why not just look at the damn replays like Kennigit said before you start speculating left and right? You're a zerg player inc, watch those replays and then come back and say the games were faked.
Oh i cant see the replays. I have time tables and player relations to go off of. For someone w ho is quick to call someone else sardonically "spot on," you seem to lack a grasp of reality.
But you're right. I am sure they are legit. Friends playing friends in one sided games just before a ladder closes is like raelcun said, intelligent. Cause at the end of the day, whether it was abusing or not it doesnt fucking matter. Some admins are fucking morons and a bunch of players are spineless. Enjoy the first round of an event you dont belong in
On April 22 2008 03:51 NrT-UltraLinG wrote: it's funny how ppl talk only cuz they see some1 beat with a big score some other person ( friend or not ), sure i want to play vs my friend in last hour, i dont wan't to waste last hour of TSL looking 30 mins for games, i prefer to play and play, without wait. at least if u guys would see the reps than talk, maybe you should go play and learn instead of talk shit about others WITHOUT being informed. about me and my "abuse" vs some1 from my country and EVEN from my team for those who didn't knew check last games of TSL-DeathAngel ( romanian and NrT- member ), he lost vs NrT.FlaF ( they live in same country and are part of same team ), FlaF droppped him alot of points, why he would beat one of his friend and give freewins to other? just try to think more than a chicken plz, i know that for some of you that is really hard... if u can't don't blame urself, it's not ur fault, but if u know u can't think more than a chicken than try to stfu.
Lol
Kind of off topic but NrT-UltraLinG drophacked me last season. He bmed me and disconnected without a loss, and has been guilty of this several times, even though hes never been banned from iCCup for it yet -_-;;
On April 22 2008 04:19 mdb wrote: Hey iNcotrol, may I enjoy the first round of an event I dont belog in, or I have to wait for permission from you?
Where in the fuck do you see me saying anything like "you can enjoy...?" YOu don't. I wished he'd enjoy that which he already has with or without my permission (that was never asserted until you blubbered into this conversation).
But no, you don't have my permission since you asked.
On April 22 2008 04:09 CubEdIn wrote: Rofl. Yeah, the scheme was to get DeathAngel to play 200 games in 5 days so he could then intentionally lose to Flaf who would, in turn, intentionally lose to Ultraling, in what appears to be even to the trained eye, really close games.
Great thinking iNc. Spot on.
And I know it seems like I'm defending him, but seriously, I'm only speaking up because I've seen the games first hand. Why not just look at the damn replays like Kennigit said before you start speculating left and right? You're a zerg player inc, watch those replays and then come back and say the games were faked.
Oh i cant see the replays. I have time tables and player relations to go off of. For someone w ho is quick to call someone else sardonically "spot on," you seem to lack a grasp of reality.
But you're right. I am sure they are legit. Friends playing friends in one sided games just before a ladder closes is like raelcun said, intelligent. Cause at the end of the day, whether it was abusing or not it doesnt fucking matter. Some admins are fucking morons and a bunch of players are spineless. Enjoy the first round of an event you dont belong in
Oh I'm sorry I'm romanian, how dare you accuse me of sarcasm?
And while you can't see the replays. I'm assure that the admins can. And they will decide themselves. By the way, didn't you play like 7 games against him yourself? And Zazu also beat him 7-0. Clearly he dropped games for zazu and then proceeded to have someone else drop games for him.
Why not just let admins decide before you 'go off' of players reactions. I'd be pissed too if I was #48 and then drop 2 spots like HoRRoR did. I'd probably bitch about other players who climbed a lot too. But the only question is: did they break the rules or not?
cause the admin im talking about has already spoken (raelcun) and the other admins I speak of have said on MSN that they "could never prove it" which suggested severe inaction or at least reasonable doubt that they'd take further progressive actions necessary.
When someone just plays a weaker clanmate up to 7 times in a row to farm points and has sucess with this method you must say it is like a punch in the face of all people who played randomly others which they didnt know and also didnt know that they are weaker to them. Thats beside of exact rule or abuse definitions and it is sad that people try to use every gape to take advantage compared to others.
On April 22 2008 04:36 sasal wrote: When someone just plays a weaker clanmate up to 7 times in a row to farm points and has sucess with this method you must say it is like a punch in the face of all people who played randomly others which they didnt know and also didnt know that they are weaker to them. Thats beside of exact rule or abuse definitions and it is sad that people try to use every gape to take advantage compared to others.
#2 so fcking much..
and @ Incontrol : Why do you call me moron ?
Maybe i didnt explain my thought clearly enough. I was for sure not talking about a ladder running for 3-4 weeks and then being randomly ended in a time span between 2 weeks or 1 hour..
more like this :
The same as TSL LADDER except that there isnt a countdown or a last day. Maybe they could have announced that the ladder from now on will take from 1 Day up to 3 days. For sure its no good solution either.. maybe even not viable.. but i dont think the idea is that absurd or that bad. Not by any means a reason to call me a moron.
I know there must be and there probably are better solutions.. and the admins looking at the game lists and veryfying if it was abuse or not is one.. But as you realized yourself already.. if playing 4-8 games vs your friend is not abusing then its fucked up anyway for people who didnt do so , isnt it ? On the one hand we have the players who will say it was no abuse it was legit and in a way they are simply right but on the other hand we have the players who are out now and in my opinion they are also right : By playing a friend or a random opponent and gaining 4-8 wins in a row at the last time possible.. they do something thats at least not fair..
I know my idea with the 'viable ladder ending/ not being anounced ' is quite insane and not a good solution but dont call me stupid anyways... and im no bastard
kidding, i have big respect for you Testie, like Nazgul, Leg, Eriador you showed that even after a long period of inactivity you are still very good. Being #48 or 49 doesnt really matter for us.
i feel so bad for those who missed the cut by less than 100 points..thats about 8 people... lol could have just won one more game !!! good luck to all who made it !
For all those who dont want their tsl iccup accounts anymore and dont want to play bw again or lost interest, etc. etc.., feel free to send me your ID and pw and ill make sure those stats are transferred to 50CaL.Stalife or my many akas on iccup.
On April 22 2008 04:36 sasal wrote: When someone just plays a weaker clanmate up to 7 times in a row to farm points and has sucess with this method you must say it is like a punch in the face of all people who played randomly others which they didnt know and also didnt know that they are weaker to them. Thats beside of exact rule or abuse definitions and it is sad that people try to use every gape to take advantage compared to others.
#2 so fcking much..
and @ Incontrol : Why do you call me moron ?
Maybe i didnt explain my thought clearly enough. I was for sure not talking about a ladder running for 3-4 weeks and then being randomly ended in a time span between 2 weeks or 1 hour..
more like this :
The same as TSL LADDER except that there isnt a countdown or a last day. Maybe they could have announced that the ladder from now on will take from 1 Day up to 3 days. For sure its no good solution either.. maybe even not viable.. but i dont think the idea is that absurd or that bad. Not by any means a reason to call me a moron.
I know there must be and there probably are better solutions.. and the admins looking at the game lists and veryfying if it was abuse or not is one.. But as you realized yourself already.. if playing 4-8 games vs your friend is not abusing then its fucked up anyway for people who didnt do so , isnt it ? On the one hand we have the players who will say it was no abuse it was legit and in a way they are simply right but on the other hand we have the players who are out now and in my opinion they are also right : By playing a friend or a random opponent and gaining 4-8 wins in a row at the last time possible.. they do something thats at least not fair..
I know my idea with the 'viable ladder ending/ not being anounced ' is quite insane and not a good solution but dont call me stupid anyways... and im no bastard
So.. you offer an alternative idea that you yourself admit is probably not better, or viable.. but it is an option... and you dont think that is moronic? The fact you don't see that by yourself.. even after you admitted it was bad/unviable advice to begin with is.. well, confirming my statement.
How come you get pissy about a non issue? No I won't shut the fuck up. He had a bad idea and I was telling him it was a bad idea. And you could fucking read the posts and see the issue was OVER anyways jesus fucking christ.
On April 22 2008 06:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote: How come you get pissy about a non issue? No I won't shut the fuck up. He had a bad idea and I was telling him it was a bad idea. And you could fucking read the posts and see the issue was OVER anyways jesus fucking christ.
Everytime you and Phil post in the same thread you end up polluting the forum - it's not a non issue.
Oh my god, nr 46,47,48 and 49 within a 2points marging. This is so fucked up for Testie :p I hope at least one abuser gets kicked out so Testie gets that spot.
On April 22 2008 06:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote: How come you get pissy about a non issue? No I won't shut the fuck up. He had a bad idea and I was telling him it was a bad idea. And you could fucking read the posts and see the issue was OVER anyways jesus fucking christ.
On April 22 2008 06:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote: How come you get pissy about a non issue? No I won't shut the fuck up. He had a bad idea and I was telling him it was a bad idea. And you could fucking read the posts and see the issue was OVER anyways jesus fucking christ.
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