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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
April 01 2008 13:48 GMT
#41
I can't believe there isn't more understanding for this. In order to warrant such a tournament with these prizes we have to be able to deliver the very best quality of games. Sponsors are not going to be happy with TSL #2 if we had to kick many players from the final tournament, having huge delays on broadcasts, and a lot of complaining from every non-lagging player around. These decision has been made in your best interest so that we think we will be able to continue finding sponsors for events like this.
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
April 01 2008 13:49 GMT
#42
On April 01 2008 22:30 RowdierBob wrote:
It's a tough call either way, but you can understand why the TL folk did it.

Just curious though; Russian and even Australian folk are known to have lag issues sometimes so what happens if you are in an important game and it becomes unbearably laggy? Will the rep be saved and commented on later?

Isn't ICCup server located in Russia?
Btw I think the organizers should be careful with connection problem when there's player from Australia too I'm in Australia, never have any tiniest issue with BatteNET but ICCup is really laggy sometimes.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 01 2008 16:15 GMT
#43
eh I'm ambivalent about this, reason I don't fully support this decision is many top pros have proxies which work fine with euroamerican connections.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
April 01 2008 16:29 GMT
#44
I still want to implement the Pet Progamer widget.
iLjh
Profile Joined February 2008
United States160 Posts
April 01 2008 16:32 GMT
#45
yea.. you forget that the top tier chinese players that would most likely qualify all have proxies that which enable them to play in a perfectly non-laggy game with europe/american players
unk.
Profile Joined June 2007
111 Posts
April 01 2008 16:35 GMT
#46
On April 01 2008 22:49 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2008 22:30 RowdierBob wrote:
It's a tough call either way, but you can understand why the TL folk did it.

Just curious though; Russian and even Australian folk are known to have lag issues sometimes so what happens if you are in an important game and it becomes unbearably laggy? Will the rep be saved and commented on later?

Isn't ICCup server located in Russia?
Btw I think the organizers should be careful with connection problem when there's player from Australia too I'm in Australia, never have any tiniest issue with BatteNET but ICCup is really laggy sometimes.


starcraft using peer-2-peer protocol, so your ingame lag doesn't depend on the server you are playing on, but on your connection to the person you are playing with
stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
April 01 2008 16:53 GMT
#47
hey unk I have the same problem. I can play perfectly fine with chaoslauncher on low latency on west server, but I cannot play on low lat on iccup server, even vs same player....I really think there is something restricting full speed on my computer with iccup server....because when I first create or join game, game plays out fine on low lat, but after a minute or two, it becomes too laggy for low lat, so i gotta change to extra high lat. after 15 ~20 minutes, it becomes way too laggy that it frustrates everyone, and i cant change to the battlenet extra high lat...... solutions?!?!?!
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Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
April 01 2008 17:34 GMT
#48
I support doing what the league has to do to keep things running smooth, but It seems like this should be done on a case by case basis. To deny an entire country entrance because many of them lag seems really heavy handed. Other solutions should probably be considered.

Each chinese person who qualifies for the playoffs can simply join a game with a few people to make sure their connection works well. If not, they're out.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 01 2008 17:54 GMT
#49
TSL Staff:

Will Chinese players be able to play if they use proxies from outside mainland China. Most Chinese pros use Hong Kong proxies which work fine with Europe and America.

talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 01 2008 18:05 GMT
#50
aw well it's april 2nd and still in effect. I thought for sure I was had earlier and the timing of the post (12:03) indicated it was a joke. sucks for the chinese gosus I guess.
Response
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States1936 Posts
April 01 2008 18:13 GMT
#51
probably the best option
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uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
April 01 2008 20:10 GMT
#52
Really sad. I hoped to see PJ and others among the top 16.
nofAcedAgent
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States952 Posts
April 01 2008 20:23 GMT
#53
Wow thats too bad, I was lookin forward to some good games from china =/. Im sure you guys did all you could, I support your decision
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
April 01 2008 21:14 GMT
#54
On April 02 2008 02:34 Loophole wrote:
I support doing what the league has to do to keep things running smooth, but It seems like this should be done on a case by case basis. To deny an entire country entrance because many of them lag seems really heavy handed. Other solutions should probably be considered.

Each chinese person who qualifies for the playoffs can simply join a game with a few people to make sure their connection works well. If not, they're out.
Doing it on a case by case basis, for a country like China, is virtually impossible....
Can you dig it?
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
April 01 2008 21:19 GMT
#55
More than just impossible, it's unfair towards the player. Think about it, PJ spends three weeks of non-stop iccuping just to find out that his connection isn't fast enough. That would really suck. Rather have the ban outright and early on in the league than have the ban at a later stage once they've already invested effort into the tournament.

As for the chinese proxies thing, we are looking into it, and remember, this will not be the last TSL. If we find a workable solution we will need to test it first, but it does mean that there's a good likelihood of Chinese players being allowed to play next season.
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
April 01 2008 21:34 GMT
#56
On April 01 2008 13:56 talismania wrote:
it'll suck if this is still true april 2nd.

agreed. ^^
...from the land of imba
wo0py
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Netherlands922 Posts
April 01 2008 21:37 GMT
#57
I think this rule and the discision to make such a rule shouldn't be open for discussion. Post it as news. this is how it is, theres nothing to do with it.

What if they said: its only for americans. then no one would complain right? this is about money.. dont act like its all friends or so. this is business.

tl.net set the standards: no lag, because it causes divserse problems, like nazgul told us.

side-note it is unfortunate for those who have good connection, but thats the way life is. i bet there are alot of chinese tours, or asia tours which we dont even know about.
We shouldnt recreate anger of the non-virtual world
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 01 2008 22:11 GMT
#58
On April 02 2008 06:19 Daigomi wrote:
More than just impossible, it's unfair towards the player. Think about it, PJ spends three weeks of non-stop iccuping just to find out that his connection isn't fast enough. That would really suck. Rather have the ban outright and early on in the league than have the ban at a later stage once they've already invested effort into the tournament.

As for the chinese proxies thing, we are looking into it, and remember, this will not be the last TSL. If we find a workable solution we will need to test it first, but it does mean that there's a good likelihood of Chinese players being allowed to play next season.


Thanks, can you give me a reply about the proxy thing as soon as you guys reach a decision, I gotta confront a bunch of chinese pros hungry for us currency
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 01 2008 22:49 GMT
#59
omg this is bad
TT
o well, i live in US
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-01 23:22:21
April 01 2008 23:00 GMT
#60
On April 02 2008 06:37 wo0py wrote:
I think this rule and the discision to make such a rule shouldn't be open for discussion. Post it as news. this is how it is, theres nothing to do with it.

What if they said: its only for americans. then no one would complain right? this is about money.. dont act like its all friends or so. this is business.

tl.net set the standards: no lag, because it causes divserse problems, like nazgul told us.

side-note it is unfortunate for those who have good connection, but thats the way life is. i bet there are alot of chinese tours, or asia tours which we dont even know about.


Yeah, the decision should be final. If there is any discussion then it should be for the 2nd TSL. It's not fair for both sides. It wouldn't be fair when half way through the tournament, it is decided that Chinese IP can now play. Not only would they be significantly behind, but there would be even more reason to complain and add unnecessary drama to TSL.
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