EPTWhich Progamer is failing to meet expectations the most?
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
I go inactive right after Flash defeats JD in Bacchus, then just came back during the Ro16 of Incruit. In between I've read that Flash was a monster, feared even by the best vTs, but right now . . . meh. + Show Spoiler [PL result earlier] + 14CC vs JD wtf!!! | ||
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thor jton
Canada62 Posts
On October 15 2008 23:05 raga4ka wrote: I'm still waiting for Much to go berserk and win the MSL OSL and GOM at the same time ... SAME he'll so go godlike on everyones ass | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
unless it's about last weeks only, then it's flash, although I like the fact he's not accomplishing anything | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 15 2008 23:12 ZBiR wrote: How is stork under performing? He's an OSL semifinalist for the 123123 time (not sure if he's still in MSL). That means he's still one of the top gamers right now.stork by far? unless it's about last weeks only, then it's flash, although I like the fact he's not accomplishing anything | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
 Get out of your "slump" now! | ||
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capek
United States585 Posts
On October 15 2008 23:09 Felagund wrote: For me 'tis Flash. I go inactive right after Flash defeats JD in Bacchus, then just came back during the Ro16 of Incruit. In between I've read that Flash was a monster, feared even by the best vTs, but right now . . . meh. + Show Spoiler [PL result earlier] + 14CC vs JD wtf!!! You missed him getting raped a few times by JD, Luxury, scrubs, etc. He cried as well during + Show Spoiler + Incruit when he lost to GGPlay | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
 Flash is unique in that he has consistently good micro, macro, and game sense, but consistently makes terrible strategic decisions, especially against Zerg. There are a few examples.-Turret count. Flash seems to always want to build as few turrets as possible. Building a few more per game would raise his chances of victory by a great deal. See: final MSL group game vs Yarnc, game 1+2 gom finals -Build order. I think whenever a Flash fan sees their hero 14cc, their heart catches in their throat. 14cc is a risky build that can lead to immediate defeat (see MSL semis vs forGG) or an insufficient economic advantage to make it worthwhile (see game 1 of GOM finals) -Never cheeses: Flash recently cheesed against Bisu and won. You'd think that would make him cheese more often, but no. Tragically he refuses to relive his early, cheesy, glory days. EDIT: oh, and he lost to ggplay on friggin' Plasma because he proxied instead of playing a straight up game. Now he is the proud owner of one half of terran's 2 losses v Zerg on that map. | ||
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lxginverse
Monaco1506 Posts
is he slumping? fck | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
 Much[gm] seems to be losing games he really shouldn't due to mistakes I'd expect from a much newer player. The worst was his last loss to 2 hatch muta rush vs calm. If he had even ATTEMPTED to scout with a probe or zeal after the 2 minute mark he would have scouted it and won the game. There were no lings or sunkens preventing a scout (they were attacking temples), so it would have gotten in and seen spire no question. His other recent losses weren't as bad but I felt they were all him beating himself instead of his opponent beating him. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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economist_
Vietnam719 Posts
On October 15 2008 23:37 motbob wrote: Flash is unique in that he has consistently good micro, macro, and game sense, but consistently makes terrible strategic decisions, especially against Zerg. There are a few examples.-Turret count. Flash seems to always want to build as few turrets as possible. Building a few more per game would raise his chances of victory by a great deal. See: final MSL group game vs Yarnc, game 1+2 gom finals -Build order. I think whenever a Flash fan sees their hero 14cc, their heart catches in their throat. 14cc is a risky build that can lead to immediate defeat (see MSL semis vs forGG) or an insufficient economic advantage to make it worthwhile (see game 1 of GOM finals) -Never cheeses: Flash recently cheesed against Bisu and won. You'd think that would make him cheese more often, but no. Tragically he refuses to relive his early, cheesy, glory days. EDIT: oh, and he lost to ggplay on friggin' Plasma because he proxied instead of playing a straight up game. Now he is the proud owner of one half of terran's 2 losses v Zerg on that map. - No, infact that is turret placement, especially in the game vs Yellow, - Agreed - His glory days were not eaturing his cheeses, creative BO instead Edit, He lost more than one game on Plasma, the previous one was in like a showmatch of KTF, right before the new season started, If it counts. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
haha did you know during the Ro8 of OSL when Flash lost to GGplay, more than 90% of the audiences just stood up and left? | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On October 15 2008 23:09 thor jton wrote: SAME he'll so go godlike on everyones ass QFT I like his play, wish he would just rampage through everything so I could see more from him ^^ | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
Sea[Shield]Its only a matter of time before he passes the Ro16... | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Enough said. | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
he needs to get it bak together b4 it's too late == | ||
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ailouros
United States193 Posts
On October 16 2008 02:06 Showtime! wrote: 14CC against JD in an ACE match Flash? Enough said. Sometimes I wonder if he does it for laughs. Flash will be back <3 <3 <3 | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
I mean look at him today: is this the guy that replaced the Maestro? Did he deserve to do that? Flash IS disappointing also, but people just vote him because his style is really not all that spectacular, as Bisu's PvZ was when he was on top. I mo, Bisu's been around for longer (at least he got in to the spotlights earlier) besides his first monts after EVER 2007 Spring OSL, he really failed to deliver. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
I've been a big fan of Mind since he won that MSL. When he wins, he wins in a big way. Mind fighting! Get the GomTV title! | ||
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
secondly flash, though i dont mind it. EDIT: Why bisu? hes blown my expectations, i thought he was gone. | ||
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PeAcY6969
France621 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
when flash loses anymore so many of the time its due to some retarded BO that he choses. right now if flash is going to play non standard, it should always be for an aggressive build, not a greedy one, because everyone is going hyper aggression on him (Yarnc's 9pool, Forgg's multiple 2 facs, Jaedong's 2 hatch in GOM, FBH's proxy ETC) | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
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traced
1739 Posts
also - why much? no shame in losing to bisu in both leagues, bisu's just a better pvp at this point. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flash is in a slump which is natural for any progamer. Sea is a complete mistery. Sea gets the vote easy. edit: haha I see it now. The reason why Flash has so many votes is because of his numerous fans expressing their emotions based on just his past few games.  | ||
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vAltyR
United States581 Posts
I should have voted for Sea. Sea is like Stork except he chokes sooner. >< Too bad, really, he's a really entertaining player to watch, and he could do really well, especially if he scouts the proxies in the future. EDIT: where the hell is sAviOr on this list?? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
in general (ie who was someone we thought would do a lot, but still hasnt) its luxury he has a lot of talent (at one time, debatably the second best zerg), but he hasnt accomplished all that much with it | ||
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zOula...
United States898 Posts
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asel
Germany1598 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
Flash easy.He... Just can't win since osl groups. | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
On October 16 2008 05:24 zOula... wrote: Other: Jaedong What the? Where did this come from? How is Jaedong failing to meet expectations? | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Then he lost to GGplay at the next round? Wow... | ||
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
On October 16 2008 05:24 zOula... wrote: Other: Jaedong LOL? IMO, it would have to be forGG. After beating Jaedong in MSL, everything seemed to go downhill for him. On the other hand, Jaedong recovered from it by pwning Flash hard in GOM. But Flash definitely has not lost all his steam (yet) | ||
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pewpew
United States132 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
It has to be Flash. Given that he won an OSL and then dominated the pro scene for two or three months, watching him play now must be a huge disappointment. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7850 Posts
LAWL @ Flash 14CC vs Jaedong. Though I voted Sea. Sea sucks everytime it matters. I'm sorry, and please don't ban me, but Sea doesn't have the nerves to be a great Starcraft gamer. He is just too emotive. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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DeepGray
United States214 Posts
On October 16 2008 06:28 Ozarugold wrote: What the? Where did this come from? How is Jaedong failing to meet expectations? HE HAS'T HAD MAH BABIES YET! | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
After those two semifinals you'd think he'd come back with a vengeance, instead we get him not even making it past group stages. wtf | ||
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capek
United States585 Posts
On October 16 2008 09:37 caelym wrote: flash turning into terran backho o.0? No backho is funny and can dance. Flash just cries and loses. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
My expectations are high because we love him though. And he's hella talented and whatnot. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Sea only 'cause it would've been awesome if he'd raped all the way to the top after connecting with the foreign community so well...): | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On October 16 2008 04:50 TheTyranid wrote: Flash won a starleague and Sea has not. Flash has been past ro16 seven times. Sea is a dominant player with one of the best winrates in progaming and he has NEVER made it past the ro16. Flash is in a slump which is natural for any progamer. Sea is a complete mistery. Sea gets the vote easy. edit: haha I see it now. The reason why Flash has so many votes is because of his numerous fans expressing their emotions based on just his past few games. if by past few you mean approx. 40, then yeah everyone means his past few games. no one expects sea to make it past the ro16 (not even steve expects it, he hopes. big difference). everyone expects flash to stomp everyones faces. sea is not making it past the ro16 and flash is not stomping anybodys face. what makes it worse is that flash is still capable of said face stomping, he just plays like a complete fucking idiot and refuses to adapt his game while everyone else has their perfectly tuned counters coming at him. what happened to the sheer brilliance against stork in the gom finals then osl finals? | ||
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pajaro
Trinidad/Tobago5 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
However Bisu, my party boy, always gives you those moments of brilliance and keeps fucking up badly time after time, so my vote goes to him. Don't disappoint today please. I skipped school (a 2 hour lecture of boring psyshocology but still) to be able to watch today's games live. - Fucking hyped I am, Yoda said. Regarding Flash? Please, didn't really anyone think he'd be figured out eventually doing the same stuff all the time? Fine, he's a monster, but in the same way ForGG was a monster when all he did was churning out units. Fine, I guess the same "figured out eventually" could be applied to Bisu's style vs Zerg a year ago - which finally was figured out and crushed by Jaedong, July (both Bluestorm though, Bisu's most hated map at the time) and fakeyellow among others. Thing is, he's adapted and doesn't throw in the heavy harass style so often anymore. He did it vs Odin on Andromeda (?) a few weeks ago, but I wouldn't say it's standard for him anymore. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On October 16 2008 19:48 Jaeden wrote: how come flash got so many votes ? ...at least he won something... thats exactly the point of the poll. flash is failing to meet expectations because he raised the bar so high with what he's shown in the past. now he's falling flat on his face trying to show the same dominance he had not even 6 months ago | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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HotZhot
Colombia677 Posts
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
Flash is failing, but it's only the most of everyone if you're a crazed Flash fan and believe he's actually as good as Jaedong and deserves to win with risky economic or metal (vs zerg) builds every game. Don't get me wrong, his mechanics are top-notch. I just don't have high expectations for him because his choice of build orders is continually terrible. Yes, even when he wins a lot of the time. But really, the answer to this is Midas, and it has been for years now. Though, stork could realistically pass him if he fails to win anything yet again. And hell, if that happens we may even start forgetting about all those Yellow #2s too. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
Stork still has a shot, so it can't be him (at least this time around). Flash I would say is the biggest one. He looks good every game he plays, and you just can't quite put the finger on why he's losing a heck of a lot of games. It's not micro, it's not macro. He's just not playing at a transcendent level. The same argument goes with bisu. He hasn't been playing poorly, but he hasn't been playing well either. Luxury, Mind, and Much, are all in the same remaining boat of being right on the cusp of S-class (S-class in this case playing at a transcendent level). All of them have accomplished loads more than lots of other players, but they haven't blown anyone's brain yet with their play. | ||
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NonConGuy
United States416 Posts
Luxury also lost straight games in the OSL and i dont think he participated in the MSL | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
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capek
United States585 Posts
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NuB.xE
United States131 Posts
On October 16 2008 01:50 MrHoon wrote: COME BACK FLASH WE MISS YOU haha did you know during the Ro8 of OSL when Flash lost to GGplay, more than 90% of the audiences just stood up and left? I don't -_- | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
I really hate you. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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riptide
5673 Posts
Yum Bo Sung fighting! | ||
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Xusneb
Canada612 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
I voted Sea. Despite being an obviously very skilled player, he has failed to accomplish anything, ever. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
Is this supposed to help him that he fails anyone's expectations? How the 1st programer to do a TL Attack and even spend half a night doing it is there? Have I missed some of his lost games or what? Even if so... what the hell? Did he gave up on progaming to be put there?? | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
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AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Narrator
United States868 Posts
Sea hasn't done crap and didn't even show off his TL shirt yet. D: | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14892 Posts
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Initial_H.C.
Canada560 Posts
- Not in the MSL - Eliminated from Ro16 in OSL - ProLeague currently doing well - I would expect him to be in the MSL at least and should really be in Ro8 at least in the OSL Bisu - Still in MSL - Lost to Stork in Ro8 @ OSL - Still in Gom classic - Completing 2/3 task is not a bad thing Mind - Not in MSL - Lost to Fantasy in Ro8 @ OSL - Still in Gom classic I believe - He was a one time champion thing; I started to lose faith in him after several seasons so I kind of expected this poor performance Flash - Still in MSL - Lost to GGPlay in Ro8 @ OSL is disappointing - Still in GOM - Expected him to be in the finals Much - Out of both individual leagues - Disappointed he lost to FBH but expected him to lose in the group of death @ OSL - I never expected him to go past Ro8 ever so he actually outperformed in my eyes Sea - This guy never gets past Ro8 huh? - He's the kind of guy that I expect to finally make it to the top ranks So out of Luxury, Flash and Sea.. I believe Sea is failing to meet expectations. Luxury is doing well right now and should be able to bounce back in the next season. Flash is still making it far. Sea is not going anywhere still. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Recently, Flash has probably been the one that've failed living up to expectations the most. And that's because he's usually a very strong player. Sea on the other hand is a player that noone really expects to do well, so he's not really a suitable alternative. Well, I guess that's because he's failed to live up to expectations so many times one wouldn't trust him to do well anywhere but PL, so he might be a good pick anyway... | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On October 17 2008 23:22 Initial_H.C, wrote: Luxury - Not in the MSL - Eliminated from Ro16 in OSL - ProLeague currently doing well - I would expect him to be in the MSL at least and should really be in Ro8 at least in the OSL Bisu - Still in MSL - Lost to Stork in Ro8 @ OSL - Still in Gom classic - Completing 2/3 task is not a bad thing Mind - Not in MSL - Lost to Fantasy in Ro8 @ OSL - Still in Gom classic I believe - He was a one time champion thing; I started to lose faith in him after several seasons so I kind of expected this poor performance Flash - Still in MSL - Lost to GGPlay in Ro8 @ OSL is disappointing - Still in GOM - Expected him to be in the finals Much - Out of both individual leagues - Disappointed he lost to FBH but expected him to lose in the group of death @ OSL - I never expected him to go past Ro8 ever so he actually outperformed in my eyes Sea - This guy never gets past Ro8 huh? - He's the kind of guy that I expect to finally make it to the top ranks So out of Luxury, Flash and Sea.. I believe Sea is failing to meet expectations. Luxury is doing well right now and should be able to bounce back in the next season. Flash is still making it far. Sea is not going anywhere still. I think that's part of why so many people vote for Flash, he's not. He got eliminated Ro32. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
Common dude step it up. Plenty of talent but too much inconsistency= failed expectation | ||
GTR
51393 Posts
hyped as the next big terran, he has had 3+ years in the scene yet hasn't produced any important individual results. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7759 Posts
On October 18 2008 17:00 GTR-2-Go wrote: why is everyone voting flash, it's obviously sea. hyped as the next big terran, he has had 3+ years in the scene yet hasn't produced any important individual results. Depends on how you define "expectations" Flash was supposed to win OSL, MSL, and GOM for me last season | ||
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