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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
isnt it the same for like 15 years or so ? | ||
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FoxDog
170 Posts
On May 09 2016 02:34 TronJovolta wrote: WTF is wrong with this community? It's so very obviously Zerg. I think articulating it as "which race gives you the most trouble" would get more people to admit zvz is harder then zvp, when asking someone which race is the best they go bias mode and read the question as "which race of the other races is the most op" and this doesnt include your own because thats not "another" race, think about it. | ||
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breaker1328
Canada300 Posts
On May 16 2016 06:11 FoxDog wrote: I think articulating it as "which race gives you the most trouble" would get more people to admit zvz is harder then zvp, when asking someone which race is the best they go bias mode and read the question as "which race of the other races is the most op" and this doesnt include your own because thats not "another" race, think about it. "Whichever race I am currently playing against is the strongest race, yes, even in mirror match ups." It's difficult for a lot of players to take a step back and look at the game balance as a whole when it comes to which race is the best. Protoss are stuck playing stargate openers all the time, zerg has a million mid game options but aren't that great late game without ultras, terrans are seemingly not allowed to play mech at all anymore, there's a lot of things to dislike about the balance but when you look at it objectively there's also counter balances where immortals and archons nullify an entire race in zerg, where terrans can win high level games with marines and medivacs, where zerg can mass muta/ling/bane and annoy their opponents into submission. I think game balance is in a pretty good place overall right now, even if some of the minutiae is frustrating. As a protoss and sometimes random player, I personally voted that zerg is the strongest race, even though my personal win rate is highest against zerg and lowest against toss. The immense amount of options that zerg has going into the midgame is something that, to me, is lacking in the other races. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On May 16 2016 09:09 breaker1328 wrote: "Whichever race I am currently playing against is the strongest race, yes, even in mirror match ups." It's difficult for a lot of players to take a step back and look at the game balance as a whole when it comes to which race is the best. Protoss are stuck playing stargate openers all the time, zerg has a million mid game options but aren't that great late game without ultras, terrans are seemingly not allowed to play mech at all anymore, there's a lot of things to dislike about the balance but when you look at it objectively there's also counter balances where immortals and archons nullify an entire race in zerg, where terrans can win high level games with marines and medivacs, where zerg can mass muta/ling/bane and annoy their opponents into submission. I think game balance is in a pretty good place overall right now, even if some of the minutiae is frustrating. As a protoss and sometimes random player, I personally voted that zerg is the strongest race, even though my personal win rate is highest against zerg and lowest against toss. The immense amount of options that zerg has going into the midgame is something that, to me, is lacking in the other races. So the most reactive race (supposedly), Zerg has the most options in the most hectic point of the game to survive it? I mean late game by its nature is more static in terms of army comp, and every race had their own strengths and weaknesses in different points of the game. I wouldn't say that it's bad per se, it's what makes it fun. The defensive tools of protoss and terran make it hard to straight up kill them and player skill coupled with easy scouting and predictable cheese from zerg limits their early game killing threat in the early game. The varies midgame options let's you take that threat away and you gain some control of the tempo away from your Protoss or Terran players. I think it's a fine paradigm. The abilities of protoss or Terran players to have threat over their zerg opponents is pretty fierce. I think the game is pretty good where it is at as well, maybe the immortal shield decrease would be pretty cool for everyone. Terran seems the best designed right now and has some pretty cool tools at their disposal and very mobile powerful armies with crazy defensive capabilities. Able to switch from defensive turtle to snappING turtle real quick. Toss late game armies feel massively powerful but I don't think thats so bad as they are really vulnerable to tech switches in their static mid game. | ||
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
Zerg (1134) 37% Terran (639) 21% Poll standings as off this post. 101% balanced  | ||
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Murlox
France1699 Posts
On May 15 2016 19:06 toriak wrote: what do u mean curently strongest ? isnt it the same for like 15 years or so ? You made me laugh. I voted protoss, as usual. | ||
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SwiftCrane
26 Posts
I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans. actually mass tempest ht with a few random ground units, maybe like blink stalker, im actually pretty sure terran has no counter to this Zerg can just get parasitic bomb vs so much air and a few corruptors along with any other unit like hydra ultra ling or whatever that "little bio medivac ghost amound won't be able to deal with even the smallest amount of ling bane ultra and the liberators that are supposed to protect them will just die to parasitic bomb | ||
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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odem
143 Posts
On May 17 2016 21:04 DanceSC wrote: Votes make sense, protoss is the least played and terrans are not going to whine about zerg players :/ people are more likely to vote for a race that they get annoyed versing rather than what is actually broken sherlock holmes at his peak. i'm glad u revealed the major and ongoing conspiracy against protoss which clearly can be deducted by the outcome of this poll. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19315 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ | ||
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Pugfarmer
70 Posts
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Hularuns
United Kingdom37 Posts
Also protoss in PvT,  .But, it's all fairly even, Terran is the only race where the late game is a bit weaker than the rest, but I feel as if that's to do with Terrans yet adapting, but they don't seem to be underperforming. | ||
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Boneyard0216
Canada32 Posts
Now - fear me and my shields. -.- | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s33.postimg.org/3na7wcujj/balence.png ) | ||
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FoxDog
170 Posts
On May 16 2016 09:09 breaker1328 wrote: "Whichever race I am currently playing against is the strongest race, yes, even in mirror match ups." It's difficult for a lot of players to take a step back and look at the game balance as a whole when it comes to which race is the best. Protoss are stuck playing stargate openers all the time, zerg has a million mid game options but aren't that great late game without ultras, terrans are seemingly not allowed to play mech at all anymore, there's a lot of things to dislike about the balance but when you look at it objectively there's also counter balances where immortals and archons nullify an entire race in zerg, where terrans can win high level games with marines and medivacs, where zerg can mass muta/ling/bane and annoy their opponents into submission. I think game balance is in a pretty good place overall right now, even if some of the minutiae is frustrating. As a protoss and sometimes random player, I personally voted that zerg is the strongest race, even though my personal win rate is highest against zerg and lowest against toss. The immense amount of options that zerg has going into the midgame is something that, to me, is lacking in the other races. finally someone who gets it, that was exactly what i was thinking too | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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looken
727 Posts
On May 29 2016 19:17 Topdoller wrote: Protoss , This pretty much sums it up. I am not doubting they are good players, but the fact they seem to roll over the other races with alarming regularity with no dip in form, basically means they race has no fundamental weakness to exploit. This made me vote Protoss as well. I dont know if it was just a lot of luck on the Tosses side of things, but their dominance in the Proleague playoffs was really sick. Especially in this format where players cant prepare for ONE player specifically but simply have to play their best against whoever gets send out next. If you also consider GSL zerg got extinct in the RO16 (yeah Losira made it through but there were 3 zerg in that group...) I cant understand how you can vote for zerg in this poll. I dont really care about the potential strength of a race. You can theorycraft all you want, but at the end of the day results tell a different story. Also i dont understand how we still have arguments like "overall protoss has only 40% win rate". In lower leagues (where these general results get generated since most players are in lower leagues) balance doesnt mean shit. i mean come on, winter made it to diamond with drone rushes... you wanna tell me drones are OP? If you look at balance it is my firm believe that you should only consider high lvl play. so i guess most of your personal experience simply shouldnt weigh in on these questions. | ||
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ZertoN
Germany214 Posts
On May 11 2016 23:57 Hurricaned wrote: As a terran I feel like protoss is just too strong right now. It's always ahead economically. It has a lot of cheeses that are very powerful where theres little to no cheese that works as terran. Protoss late game army (air + storms) is simply unmatched by any terran composition and terran can not be aggressive until a long time because MSC defends so well. It's basically WoL PvT but instead of terran being strong in mid game it is now weak all game. Zerg has a very strong late game and in fact I don't know how to deal with a maxed hive army but Terran finally got a unit that could deal with mass mutas and terran can still do mid game timing so the matchup isn't as bad as PvT. I have no clue about PvZ though. amen | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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