EPTWhich race do you think is currently the strongest?
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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oGsChess
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
Just because they are the least played doesn't mean they aren't the strongest, meta game shifts either chases people away or brings them back, if protoss remain this strong I guarantee we will see more protons on ladder. Being the least played race means that ladder protons players get plenty of practice vs Terran and zerg, while Terran and zerg players get comparatively much less practice against protons opponents. | ||
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A_Scarecrow
Australia721 Posts
On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote: Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun. during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. | ||
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote: Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun. U serious bro? People almost always pick one race and stick to it - for years. Much longer than the time between balance patches. Your logic is so flawed. Moron. User was warned for this post | ||
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
On May 06 2016 11:49 Beelzebub1 wrote: Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta. Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually. "Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On May 06 2016 23:18 VanSCPurge wrote: Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually. "Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army. Yeah anyone who thinks Protoss armies in LotV are easy to control probably hasn't played since HotS. | ||
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Sharkken
Jordan141 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On May 06 2016 10:40 oGsChess wrote: Winrates overall in KR leagues suggest Protoss (both PvT and PvZ favor Toss on highest level), EU tends more to Zerg, but there's considerably more Zergs in EU aswell. Terran does fine overall imo, although not overperforming like always. korean zergs seem to lack in the strategic departement, idk, i feel like a random EU zerg strat played by a top korean zerg would demolish everyone. Also, If LIFE was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that zest wouldn't be champion right now... i might be wrong though, and zerg is just quite easy to execute well enough to be good, but you cannot beat the best with it right now (too little things that divide skill). Hence, Guru can beat ppl Snute has trouble with, while snute can beat zest which no Zerg in korea can. i feel like zerg skill is really fucking random right now. Terran is still struggling with tech transitions and rebuilding army. If they could remax / reinforce as fast as Z and P and techswitch as fast as espeically Z, T would probably be the best race. Terrans don't even get to try to build their dream army cuz they struggle to rebuild T1 units to be able to remax fast enough. I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans. But: a) T won't ever be able to afford that without dying or playing 3 T base vs 5/6 P or Z bases b) The army is highly immobile and hard to rebuild, even when always trading efficiently c) it's pretty much impossible to control TL:DR After all, P is the best race right now results wise, at least in Korea. The reason is that Korean Z doesnt seem to be on top of their game [esp. strategy-wise] and is missing their all time star players, while the terran race as a whole is still a bit weird as it doesnt have good enough remax and transition / techswitch possibilities. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
On May 06 2016 23:18 VanSCPurge wrote: Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually. "Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army. I guess by plethora I meant viable macro and viable aggression builds in all of their match ups I have zero clue about pvp. Any no further comments about protoss end game from me, that's merely my opinion, not trying to start a flame war. | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
On May 06 2016 11:49 Beelzebub1 wrote: Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta. Just because they are the least played doesn't mean they aren't the strongest, meta game shifts either chases people away or brings them back, if protoss remain this strong I guarantee we will see more protons on ladder. What a complete nonsense. User was warned for this post | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 06 2016 17:39 A_Scarecrow wrote: during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. Sure, but if you have an OP race, there are people who will to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun. | ||
Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
On May 07 2016 07:26 Shield wrote: Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun. Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 07 2016 07:30 Jer99 wrote: Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race. Possibly, if you have a few Korean players who dominate but the same might not be true for race in general for non-pro players. That's why we need ladder stats but Blizzard stopped providing it at some point? After all, the poll isn't clear whether it asks in general or the strongest race in pro games. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
On May 07 2016 07:32 Shield wrote: Possibly, if you have a few Korean players who dominate but the same might not be true for race in general for non-pro players. That's why we need ladder stats but Blizzard stopped providing it at some point? After all, the poll isn't clear whether it asks in general or the strongest race in pro games. All it's asking is what do you think is the strongest race, preferably with arguments to support your claim. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Winrates overall in KR leagues suggest Protoss (both PvT and PvZ favor Toss on highest level) Maps are different for those KR leagues vs ladder | ||
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bestviva
148 Posts
On May 07 2016 04:20 KalWarkov wrote: korean zergs seem to lack in the strategic departement, idk, i feel like a random EU zerg strat played by a top korean zerg would demolish everyone. Also, If LIFE was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that zest wouldn't be champion right now... i might be wrong though, and zerg is just quite easy to execute well enough to be good, but you cannot beat the best with it right now (too little things that divide skill). Hence, Guru can beat ppl Snute has trouble with, while snute can beat zest which no Zerg in korea can. i feel like zerg skill is really fucking random right now. Terran is still struggling with tech transitions and rebuilding army. If they could remax / reinforce as fast as Z and P and techswitch as fast as espeically Z, T would probably be the best race. Terrans don't even get to try to build their dream army cuz they struggle to rebuild T1 units to be able to remax fast enough. I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans. But: a) T won't ever be able to afford that without dying or playing 3 T base vs 5/6 P or Z bases b) The army is highly immobile and hard to rebuild, even when always trading efficiently c) it's pretty much impossible to control TL:DR After all, P is the best race right now results wise, at least in Korea. The reason is that Korean Z doesnt seem to be on top of their game [esp. strategy-wise] and is missing their all time star players, while the terran race as a whole is still a bit weird as it doesnt have good enough remax and transition / techswitch possibilities. well…If BByong was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that LIFE wouldn't be champion either… the "if"situation is useless thing in this game, champion is champion. Zest was preparing GSL when he lost to snute . and also I doubt if the top class korean players give a shit about online matches. I think it's player op rather than race op, strong players make their race look op. like Maru with Terran, Zest with Protoss, Dark with Zerg. | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
http://aligulac.com/players/1658/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=LotV&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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addn1s
Japan39 Posts
On May 08 2016 00:56 SNSeigifried wrote: You guys do realize that zest is only a god vs terran/protoss right :D http://aligulac.com/players/1658/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=LotV&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= :D:D:D:D:D zest is god terran protoss indeed | ||
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