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Vaapad
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway171 Posts
October 11 2012 20:45 GMT
#21
voted 1, my mind says zero.
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Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 12:42:08
October 11 2012 20:51 GMT
#22
On October 12 2012 03:44 Waxangel wrote:
otherwise known as the "find out how many chinese ppl are on TL" poll

haha, good one
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
October 11 2012 20:59 GMT
#23
On October 12 2012 05:19 DaPhoToss wrote:
LOL @ Sen being far from Code B, are you serious? Sen is atleast a Code A level player and can beat Code S players on a good day.


Which YEAR was it when he competed in GSL?

China/TW scene makes North America look like Korea, good luck taking a game against the BW elephants and GSL winners.

RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1102 Posts
October 11 2012 21:12 GMT
#24
On October 12 2012 05:59 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 05:19 DaPhoToss wrote:
LOL @ Sen being far from Code B, are you serious? Sen is atleast a Code A level player and can beat Code S players on a good day.


Which YEAR was it when he competed in GSL?

China/TW scene makes North America look like Korea, good luck taking a game against the BW elephants and GSL winners.


Sen was a seed into the 2012 Code S Season 1 and went 0-2 (0-4 in maps) against Jjakji and Boxer, both of whom are out of Code A now.

However, he did manage to beat True in code A Ro48, but then Sniper took him out. His current TLPD ranking is 5th foreigner. He's also 1-0 in NASL with a win over Stephano... some would say he's pretty good.

I'd suspect Sen is still low code A or high B material. So he's got a legitimate chance of getting in, but wouldn't be a favorite to do so. Few if any others can even say that much.
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markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
October 11 2012 21:14 GMT
#25
considering all but MC of the 6 protoss dragons are competing, I have to vote zero. I would love to see Sen advance but he would have to beat out the dragons and korean zergs. not sure about that
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
October 11 2012 21:24 GMT
#26
I'm gonna go with 1. Maybe a chinese guy can pull through.

I'm kinda immediately regretting it though, probably none.
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ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
October 11 2012 21:25 GMT
#27
you dont fuck with macsed
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States332 Posts
October 11 2012 21:40 GMT
#28
If anybody, it will be Sen.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 11 2012 21:40 GMT
#29
Surprise, China is best country and takes all top 6 spots. Gogogo!
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 21:47:09
October 11 2012 21:46 GMT
#30
On October 12 2012 03:44 Waxangel wrote:
otherwise known as the "find out how many chinese ppl are on TL" poll

oh hey you wrote this on twitter.

I voted 1 for Sen
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 11 2012 21:52 GMT
#31
None
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Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 22:55:43
October 11 2012 22:26 GMT
#32
I was curious to see whether through fortunate bracket seeding any non-Korean was guaranteed or had a good shot of making top 6, so I made a mock results table.

http://i.imgur.com/A0Aba.png

The verdict: not likely.

Seeding into the lower bracket is a mysterious process in WCS. I looked at the European Finals, North American Finals, and Korean National Finals, all 32 man WCS tournaments, and lower bracket seeding has been slightly different for each one. Specifically, the 8 players who lose in Round 2 of the winner's bracket and drop down into the lower bracket are placed in varying order for all three tournaments. Say the 8 players are numbered 1-8 as they appear vertically on the upper bracket.
In Korea, the seeding order is 8765 4321, in Europe it was 7856 3412, and in NA it was 5678 1234. I used the Korean model because it's simplest, and in the long run, I don't think it matters much.

Since Creator is already qualified for Shanghai, and I put him as likely to make top 6 here, one the 7th/8th players also gets a seed. In my mockup I also put Sen in the top 8, so Curious, the other 7/8th player, would automatically get a spot for Shanghai.

For Sen to make it to the top 8, he would have to beat Miya (I think pretty doable). If he then falls to Squirtle (fairly certain), he has to beat PartinG. I don't know if he would actually do that, but I think he could. If not, PartinG would make top 8 and qualify for Shanghai.

For a lot of the top korean vs. korean matchups, it's a toss-up. I made a kespa vs. kespa finals for the lols.

As for any non-Sen non-Koreans making it the Shanghai, it doesn't seem likely, as the farthest they can go without having to beat a Korean player is 9-12th place. Other than Miya who is a borderline Code A/B player, and herO, who is untested in Sc2, the Korean contingent is too strong.

I was concerned that we might get a situation where one of the top Koreans have to knock each other out in an early round of the lower bracket, but WCS has smartly spread them out enough so that that is unlikely to happen.
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 11 2012 23:04 GMT
#33
wow, from the comments it seems a lot of people don't know how to read :p.
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WarrickHunt
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
October 11 2012 23:18 GMT
#34
1 for Sen
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
October 11 2012 23:48 GMT
#35
I read the poll wrong and voted 3+ when I should have voted 0.
Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
October 12 2012 00:04 GMT
#36
On October 12 2012 03:58 Seqkat wrote:
Oh I totally misread it... and voted for the opposite of what I wanted. I think None!

On October 12 2012 04:01 DidYuhim wrote:
Duh, I thought it was "how koreans will make top6 at WCS Asia Finals"

On October 12 2012 04:12 nooboon wrote:
Same here. Man what a relief when i realized my mistake.
I feel that there might be one or two non-koreans that will make it, mostly because the Koreans will knock each other out.

On October 12 2012 04:18 Patton3D wrote:
Same here, way too hasty on voting.

On October 12 2012 04:51 Antylamon wrote:
I would've voted 0 if I didn't misread the poll horribly T_T

On October 12 2012 08:48 Sinensis wrote:
I read the poll wrong and voted 3+ when I should have voted 0.



On October 12 2012 08:04 Doubting wrote:
wow, from the comments it seems a lot of people don't know how to read :p.


Yeah, no kidding...
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 00:18:47
October 12 2012 00:18 GMT
#37
I would have voted 1 for Sen if he didn't choke so often when playing Koreans, so I voted none.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 12 2012 00:55 GMT
#38
Damn you Waxangel. I read your tweet on how this poll was on reading comprehension and still fucked it up lol. Oh well, i'm gonna role with it. 3+ non-Koreans will make it! I know for sure.
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Trufflez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia174 Posts
October 12 2012 01:15 GMT
#39
does sen count as korean?
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mnhn329
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada4 Posts
October 12 2012 01:28 GMT
#40
o shit i thought i was how many koreans XD
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