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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
September 27 2012 14:56 GMT
#141
KESPA collectively probably has a winning record (excluding the first round of WCS) against the GOM pros, which means the MLG pros (which is basically a watered down version of the GOM pros + Stephano) should have little hope.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
September 27 2012 15:25 GMT
#142
On September 27 2012 21:42 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 14:59 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Everyone forgets the rule: All Koreans All the time

KeSPA players showed that they are on the cusp of overshadowing the GSL players in the recent WCS Korea. They are going to demolish foreigners not named Stephano.

I really want to see SKT T1 Rain (by.Sun) go against Stephano, what a PvZ it will be.


No what WCS showed was that there are indeed a handful of great SC2 players in Kespa, but that says nothing about the overall skill of Kespa. Players like Rain and Roro are playing amazing games but among most of Kespa the skill level is still a bit lower than that of GSL players and even some of the better foreigners.


Maybe in the first round of WCS, but if you look at the tournament as a whole KeSPA players were trading evenly after the first round. If you want a real example look at the way that they are trading in Code A (Flash and Mini) and Rain made it to Ro8. OSL has looked favorably for KeSPA players too.

Naniwa was argued as a contender for the best foreigner with Stephano less than 6 months ago and he got destroyed by STX Mini, a no name. Without Stephano this is going to get embarrassingly one sided.

Someone from the EU/NA side is going to make a comment like Michel Morganella after getting proxy nexus'd and KeSPA won't attend any more foreign events. *cough* Naniwa
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
September 27 2012 16:01 GMT
#143
Stephano is not attending.... MLG is looking to be in a tough spot.

I hope for a close event though. This poll is incredible :D
KazmA
Profile Joined August 2011
United States117 Posts
September 27 2012 17:14 GMT
#144
I put my faith in IdrA to take a few games off of the KeSPA players but other than that I see them dominating the tournament.
"I intend to live forever, or die trying"- Groucho Marks
Monkeybutt22
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2 Posts
September 27 2012 19:38 GMT
#145
I voted for KeSPA, but if IMMvp goes I will regret that. I have learned really well not to vote against MVP cause he will win every time I don't.
HerbMon
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States460 Posts
September 27 2012 20:01 GMT
#146
if this vote happened 1-2 years later i would go Kespa.
How we will win in the period ahead.
appletree
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark109 Posts
September 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#147
50% vs 50%. If that is the predications, it would be one hell of a series !!
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Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
September 27 2012 20:23 GMT
#148
Not yet, got to give the Kespa players a few more months. By 2013.
Try another route paperboy.
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 20:58:58
September 27 2012 20:58 GMT
#149
rofl this is stupid xDDDD , 50 vs 50, hahah good one, but it's more like 95%kespa 5%MLG
protoss living in da ghetto
Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
September 27 2012 21:54 GMT
#150
closest poll ever

2 vote difference right now with 9352 votes cast
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Timmsh
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands201 Posts
September 27 2012 22:21 GMT
#151
interesting poll
EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
September 27 2012 22:41 GMT
#152
I see it quite hard for MLG/ESF side to win with the Koreans + Stephano + Scarlett pulled out...Depends on the replacement players they get I guess...
UselessTies
Profile Joined October 2010
United States27 Posts
September 27 2012 22:55 GMT
#153
KeSPA players have been beating GOM players. I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that KeSPA players should probably take MLG players.
"One of the few truly selfish things you can do, that doesn't make you an asshole, is to make yourself happy by making someone else happy." - Ze Frank
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 00:41:36
September 28 2012 00:40 GMT
#154
Of course KeSPA will win. They have Rain, herO, Flash, Effort, RorO, sOs.

If EF got their best players invited (like their top protosses, Leenock, Mvp, etc) they'd crush, but MLG's only valuable players are MC, Oz and arguably Naniwa/Stephano.
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
September 28 2012 08:11 GMT
#155
On September 28 2012 04:38 Monkeybutt22 wrote:
I voted for KeSPA, but if IMMvp goes I will regret that. I have learned really well not to vote against MVP cause he will win every time I don't.


IMMvp is kinda the best of both worlds though XD.
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
Chylvain
Profile Joined July 2012
France43 Posts
September 28 2012 09:56 GMT
#156
I voted for MLG, 5014 vs 5014 from now ^^
"No GG, No Skill", that's why I never say "gg".
GGman
Profile Joined July 2010
Czech Republic143 Posts
September 28 2012 10:53 GMT
#157
I wonder if the result is gonna be as close as the pool :D
“Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
September 28 2012 13:18 GMT
#158
On September 28 2012 19:53 GGman wrote:
I wonder if the result is gonna be as close as the pool :D


It sure looks like it. No KeSPA players have a losing record. No non-koreans have a winning record except for Naniwa 4-2.

I wonder if one North American player will end up over 50/50 record. I highly doubt it.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
September 28 2012 14:23 GMT
#159
wow 50 -50
CrappyHippo
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada275 Posts
September 28 2012 14:29 GMT
#160
When is this going to happen, really need a date so I can follow. Anyone please?
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