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choopakabra
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
August 31 2012 20:25 GMT
#141
C) homestory format
Choopakabra EU
elctrc_wzrd
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada61 Posts
August 31 2012 23:33 GMT
#142
What the fuck? Who wrote this question... BOTH are important I mean come on if everyone only watched the NFL and didn't pay any attention to the minor leagues for college, teens etc where would talent come from? This question is badly thought out although I'm sure the intentions behind it are good. I want starcraft to raise its amateur players in the west, honestly this scene gets so caught up with the named players that it forgets that these guys come from somewhere, how about those of us that spend 6 hours a day plus trying to become professional players, yes we exist some of us have even finished university and have forgone jobs (I'm fine with this) to try and chase this dream, yet the starcraft scene continues to shit on us by inviting known, paid and sponsored players to opportunities and continuing this vicious cycle. Wake the fuck up TL and StarCraft take care of your amateurs, trust me I'd like to run my own league to help out my fellow amateurs but I am trying to be a player not a caster, and not an organizer yet anyway. I'm sure I'm going to get some flack for what I've said here or even get ignored/unnoticed in the sea of one sentence replies. But please, for once lets ask ourselves where our pro players come from and make the transition not necessarily easier but less luck based. I apologize for my grammar english is not my native tongue.
BM
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 31 2012 23:39 GMT
#143
I want to watch.. Squirtle?!
maru G5L pls
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 01 2012 03:34 GMT
#144
I want both T_T
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 01 2012 03:39 GMT
#145
I want both T_T

Voted rising talent though. As interesting as seeing the same ultra high level koreans duke it out can be, it's much more interesting when a foreigner is on a tear vs those same koreans.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 01 2012 21:09 GMT
#146
I always prefer to watch my favourite players. Other than that it's nice to see rising players.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
September 01 2012 23:02 GMT
#147
I do enjoy a bit of variety, but i wanna see the best players for sure.
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
September 01 2012 23:57 GMT
#148
I prefer both but the best players was my choice.
Luppa <3
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
September 02 2012 07:30 GMT
#149
I think people who actively play the game prefer watching the best players. People who watch more than play might be more inclined to watch players from their country or favorite team.
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
September 02 2012 10:24 GMT
#150
I'm torn.

the issue is the "best rising players" end up usually getting destroyed by "the best possible competition"

so maybe a super high quality tournament, and a more "hype" tournament consisting of "GSTL" players who show amazing plays but don't do well in individual leagues.

That's just an example but I think it'd be nice.
Must not sleep, must warn others
herrmus
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden144 Posts
September 02 2012 15:55 GMT
#151
When theres just koreans left i stop watching. They do not have much personality and i do not care about them.
blug
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia623 Posts
September 02 2012 16:09 GMT
#152
I like national talent, but only if they are actually up to the standard of the players they are up against.

My favorite tournaments have around 80% players which I know of and around 20% which are being given a shot to make a name for themselves.
Derp
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 15:10:06
September 03 2012 14:38 GMT
#153
I prefer watching players that I can connect/relate to. If they're "only" a good Code A korean ( better than pretty much every foreigner) I prefer watching a foreigner that I've seen at events and who exposes himself.

Edit: fixed my foreigner-grammar
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
September 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#154
Love watching players from my country and a random selection of other players (MC, Naniwa, Stephano etc). Basically players with some personality.

I stop watching tournaments when my favourite players are out.
trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
September 03 2012 17:40 GMT
#155
Well, I MUCH preferred the story behind TSL3 over TSL4; following two up and coming foreigners who earned their spot at the top of the tournament which was filled with the top Koreans (albeit there was some issues with lag, or w.e behind the scenes).

TSL4 just feels nameless to me and the only loss a Korean had to a foreigner is when Hyun stomped Major then decided to let him win the series. Would be much more exciting if the Koreans involved were Nestea/MC/MarineKing who were dominating the tournament.

I know the format of the TSL is meant to get the best current players and not the players that are the fan favorites, but the tournament started out with only a couple people who I actively wanted to follow, and I feel like that is more important than the "top" players of the time.
hihi glgl
LucidityDark
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom139 Posts
September 03 2012 18:40 GMT
#156
Probably it would have to be rising national talent, for the simple idea of seeing new faces and more unique games. I enjoy seeing a game where I don't know the players like the back of my hand while still being good games.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
September 03 2012 19:26 GMT
#157
This pole does not reflect what the stream numbers say about "best players"
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
September 04 2012 04:52 GMT
#158
On September 01 2012 08:33 elctrc_wzrd wrote:
What the fuck? Who wrote this question... BOTH are important I mean come on if everyone only watched the NFL and didn't pay any attention to the minor leagues for college, teens etc where would talent come from? This question is badly thought out although I'm sure the intentions behind it are good. I want starcraft to raise its amateur players in the west, honestly this scene gets so caught up with the named players that it forgets that these guys come from somewhere, how about those of us that spend 6 hours a day plus trying to become professional players, yes we exist some of us have even finished university and have forgone jobs (I'm fine with this) to try and chase this dream, yet the starcraft scene continues to shit on us by inviting known, paid and sponsored players to opportunities and continuing this vicious cycle. Wake the fuck up TL and StarCraft take care of your amateurs, trust me I'd like to run my own league to help out my fellow amateurs but I am trying to be a player not a caster, and not an organizer yet anyway. I'm sure I'm going to get some flack for what I've said here or even get ignored/unnoticed in the sea of one sentence replies. But please, for once lets ask ourselves where our pro players come from and make the transition not necessarily easier but less luck based. I apologize for my grammar english is not my native tongue.


Chill out dude. It's a poll where you make a choice.
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
September 04 2012 09:26 GMT
#159
It's always cool to watch players from your own country. But I guess that will also mean that theres rising talent from other countries aswell, and as a terran player I don't have much interest in watching zvz/zvp/pvp.

So I prefer to watch the best possible players so I can enjoy players like Taeja/Mvp/Mkp.
A timing is a build done by a player you like. An allin is a build done by one you dont. -sOda~
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 12:53:47
September 04 2012 12:53 GMT
#160
My way to determine what I will watch:

- Are GSL or OSL currently running or are there vods to catch up?
Yes: Watch GSL or OSL
No: Continue with next step
- Are there any "local" (in my case: european) tournaments being broadcasted?
Yes: Watch them.
No: Continue with next step

now either:
- Are NASL / IPL running?
Yes: Watch it.

or
- Are there any streams of good (minus exceptions, this means Korean) or local (here it means German) players running?
Yes: Watch it.
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