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Night Eyes
Profile Joined January 2011
433 Posts
August 08 2011 21:51 GMT
#61
I have high hopes for all of the players in the list but lets face it Nani is a beast. With that said I'm thinking that after MLG most of the terrans in the GSL will use BFH builds and so Jinro Fenix and ThorZaIN have a good shot to make it past the first round too.
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asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
August 08 2011 21:51 GMT
#62
Nani is the most solid and also the most likely one to get better by living in Korea. I feel SaSe is looking like the second best, since ThorZain has a zerg in the first round.
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KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
August 08 2011 22:12 GMT
#63
voted SaSe because best at WC3 :p
pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
August 08 2011 22:23 GMT
#64
Naniwa and Thorzain obviously, rooting for Jinro the most though. Sweden hwaiting!
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MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
August 08 2011 22:33 GMT
#65
naniwa by far. The only truly consistent foreigner.
TurbineBlade
Profile Joined July 2011
United States117 Posts
August 08 2011 22:37 GMT
#66
naniwa no doubt
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Lt.Roosevelt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden84 Posts
August 08 2011 22:39 GMT
#67
With Jet-lag and the fact that both Naniwa and Thorzain are going up against zergs I think Jinro will do the best. Have a feeling it might be a dissapointing day unfortunately. Really hoping I am wrong though!
BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
August 08 2011 22:45 GMT
#68
Jinro hasn't been doing well ever since they swapped maps from Steppes of War/Jungle Basin/Delta Quadrant to Tal'Darim Altar/Crevasse/Terminus, and I highly doubt he'll suddenly turn this around this season. I'll say either Naniwa or Thorzain has the best shot, but I've never seen SaSe or Fenix play, so maybe they'll surprise me.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
August 08 2011 22:45 GMT
#69
Nani I think. He's been pretty consistent. He may have not won everything, but he gets results. After him Thorzain. The other 3 don't really have a shot IMO.
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JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
August 08 2011 22:49 GMT
#70
im surprised at naniwa's support here. i wouldve sworn people would rally behind jinro because of his consistency doing at least decent wherever he goes.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
August 08 2011 22:51 GMT
#71
nAni's dedication and honesty is so admirable, it's impossible to not be a huge fan. Also, considering he's beaten both HuK and MC before (though that was PvP) and that was before he went to korea (he also is the foreigner that has earned the most prize money, second to HuK), so I think he has a very good chance if he improves as in korea as much as HuK did.
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T0MORR0W
Profile Joined July 2011
United States101 Posts
August 08 2011 22:52 GMT
#72
I'm gonna say Naniwa will do the best. He is easily one of the best foreigners.
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
August 08 2011 22:56 GMT
#73
Thorzain tbh.
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
August 08 2011 22:58 GMT
#74
On August 09 2011 03:21 red4ce wrote:
Naniwa. Not only is he the best among the five but he got the easiest first round opponent in CheckPrime.


How are you defining "the best" exactly, because this one time ThorZaIN dismantled Naniwa three games in a row. That being said, ThorZaIN is 5-5 against Naniwa, ever since their most recent encounter at the 2011 Blizzard Battle.net invitational. Both players have exceptionally good win/lose ratios as well, so I don't really understand how it is so clear that Naniwa is the best.

But even that's not fair to the other three players. SaSe is an exceptionally good Protoss who just recently came in second place in the CPL, with (T)MarineKing taking first place. That's a pretty impressive performance.

Fenix is another incredible player. Personally I don't believe he is at the skill level of the Swedes playing in this tournament, but that doesn't mean that he won't stand a chance. I personally think there are so many Korean Terrans who play a very similar style to Fenix and do it at a higher skill level so his opponents should have plenty to practice against. That being said, Fenix has impressed me before, so who knows how well he'll do.

And then there's Jinro. He's gotten to GSL's Ro4 twice in a row! There's only two other players who have gotten into the Ro4 twice in a row ((T)RainBOw and (Z)NesTea) and technically NesTea only really made it twice in a row if you don't count the Super Tournament in between his two GSL titles. Obviously, Jinro has been playing poorly recently, but he's a really strong player with a ridiculously good record (better than any other foreigner in Korea by far).

So before you go saying things like Naniwa is "the best among the five," you should really take a look at the players you're talking about (either that or come up with a good way of defining who is the best). I mean you can say "Oh well Naniwa's almost flawless MLG was incredibly well played," but my response to that is that ThorZaIN's TSL3 run--while he did not have the stunning win/lose ratio of Naniwa--was against better players, in a format more similar to the GSL (that is to say that you have more time to prepare for each game as opposed to MLG). Plus, ThorZaIN beat Naniwa in the finals.

And is Check really the worst player that the five foreigners will be going up against first round? Check has had wins over MC, MMA, and Rain, all finalists of a GSL (and of course MC is a two time winner). While those games were not in the GSL, they still have to count for something right? Check's play against Choya was exceptional last Code A (not that Choya is the scariest of players, but he actually really impressed me last Code A and Check still managed to 2-0 him). Check showed that he can hold ridiculously strong Protoss timing pushes at a high level. If he plays as well against Naniwa as he did against Choya, Naniwa vs Check will be a very close match-up.

On the other hand, YuGiOh has never impressed me with his play, and players like Sniper and Lucky are both completely unknown to me. Granted, they qualified for Code A so they must be good players, but does that accomplishment alone make them better than Check?

I voted for ThorZaIN 1. Because I'm a ThorZaIN fanboy if you couldn't tell, and 2. because I actually think he stands a good shot at succeeding in the Korean style of play. I feel like if ThorZaIN is given enough time to prepare, he can beat top tier players and progress through Code A. That being said, I'd probably give the second best shot to either Jinro or Naniwa, just because they're both so accomplished and have proven themselves to be great players. Really though, I want all the foreigners to do well haha!
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 08 2011 23:04 GMT
#75
fenix, i have a hunch
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asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
August 08 2011 23:17 GMT
#76
fools, SaSe without a doubt
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j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 23:19:37
August 08 2011 23:19 GMT
#77
On August 09 2011 08:17 asdfTT123 wrote:
fools, SaSe without a doubt


I agree with this man!

Edit: or... woman
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lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
August 08 2011 23:20 GMT
#78
On August 09 2011 07:58 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 03:21 red4ce wrote:
Naniwa. Not only is he the best among the five but he got the easiest first round opponent in CheckPrime.


How are you defining "the best" exactly, because this one time ThorZaIN dismantled Naniwa three games in a row. That being said, ThorZaIN is 5-5 against Naniwa, ever since their most recent encounter at the 2011 Blizzard Battle.net invitational. Both players have exceptionally good win/lose ratios as well, so I don't really understand how it is so clear that Naniwa is the best.

But even that's not fair to the other three players. SaSe is an exceptionally good Protoss who just recently came in second place in the CPL, with (T)MarineKing taking first place. That's a pretty impressive performance.

Fenix is another incredible player. Personally I don't believe he is at the skill level of the Swedes playing in this tournament, but that doesn't mean that he won't stand a chance. I personally think there are so many Korean Terrans who play a very similar style to Fenix and do it at a higher skill level so his opponents should have plenty to practice against. That being said, Fenix has impressed me before, so who knows how well he'll do.

And then there's Jinro. He's gotten to GSL's Ro4 twice in a row! There's only two other players who have gotten into the Ro4 twice in a row ((T)RainBOw and (Z)NesTea) and technically NesTea only really made it twice in a row if you don't count the Super Tournament in between his two GSL titles. Obviously, Jinro has been playing poorly recently, but he's a really strong player with a ridiculously good record (better than any other foreigner in Korea by far).

So before you go saying things like Naniwa is "the best among the five," you should really take a look at the players you're talking about (either that or come up with a good way of defining who is the best). I mean you can say "Oh well Naniwa's almost flawless MLG was incredibly well played," but my response to that is that ThorZaIN's TSL3 run--while he did not have the stunning win/lose ratio of Naniwa--was against better players, in a format more similar to the GSL (that is to say that you have more time to prepare for each game as opposed to MLG). Plus, ThorZaIN beat Naniwa in the finals.

And is Check really the worst player that the five foreigners will be going up against first round? Check has had wins over MC, MMA, and Rain, all finalists of a GSL (and of course MC is a two time winner). While those games were not in the GSL, they still have to count for something right? Check's play against Choya was exceptional last Code A (not that Choya is the scariest of players, but he actually really impressed me last Code A and Check still managed to 2-0 him). Check showed that he can hold ridiculously strong Protoss timing pushes at a high level. If he plays as well against Naniwa as he did against Choya, Naniwa vs Check will be a very close match-up.

On the other hand, YuGiOh has never impressed me with his play, and players like Sniper and Lucky are both completely unknown to me. Granted, they qualified for Code A so they must be good players, but does that accomplishment alone make them better than Check?

I voted for ThorZaIN 1. Because I'm a ThorZaIN fanboy if you couldn't tell, and 2. because I actually think he stands a good shot at succeeding in the Korean style of play. I feel like if ThorZaIN is given enough time to prepare, he can beat top tier players and progress through Code A. That being said, I'd probably give the second best shot to either Jinro or Naniwa, just because they're both so accomplished and have proven themselves to be great players. Really though, I want all the foreigners to do well haha!


Sase got completely slapped by MKP in the final.
novabossa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States350 Posts
August 08 2011 23:36 GMT
#79
Thorzain. I always thought GSL format was perfect for Thorzain (see: TSL), so I expect to see him to do very well. Naniwa though is looking really solid.
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Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 08 2011 23:38 GMT
#80
Thorzain. Only because Naniwa and most other high level tosses have shown lately that they don't know exactly what to do vs Z atm. Most toss timing attacks have been figured out, and zergs who hit their larva injects well are able to take an unbelievable lead (30-40 worker lead) when they don't have early pressure put on them. I really want him to prove me wrong and win, and hopefully show some awesome games for tosses to learn from.
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