Foreigner with best chance in Code A?
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Voted for Naniwa | ||
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Thorzain is not not confident enough and seem to get too emotional after his games. Jinro have been playing worse than ever and even if he does a slight comeback I think it will take at least another month before he can come back for real. Other players have caught up with him skill-wise. I have never seen SaSe take down a good korean. Can't say I know him to well, though, and I really hope for him to succeed. Fenix (only non-swede o_O) really lack results in any tournaments at all. I don't think that's going to change now, sadly. | ||
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If he gets his emotional status together, he will rip Code A apart (beside some korean like DRG^^). | ||
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On August 09 2011 03:33 Ejohrik wrote: Jinro have been playing worse than ever and even if he does a slight comeback I think it will take at least another month before he can come back for real. Other players have caught up with him skill-wise. I disagree. From what I've seen of Jinro's games in the previous GSL and this last MLG, he's been playing awesomely. He's lost in some really close, really good games, and he's been caught off guard by a few cheeses. I think that people see his losses and assume he "needs to work hard for a comeback" and don't realize that those were close games, not games in which Jinro was "outclassed" or anything like that. You put two good players together, and unfortunately one has to lose. I'm not saying he'll win Code A, but I definitely see him as a contender at his current skill level. I've felt for a while that Jinro tends to lose games to one mismicro type of mistake- like not roasting an entire worker line with hellions that are pecking at a refinery, or accidentally letting his vikings get picked off by stalkers before the engagement, or lings run in when he lifts a building, etc. At the very least, I hope to see all of the foreigners make it past the 1st round, and I think it's entirely possible. | ||
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On_Slaught
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Thorzain 100%. | ||
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Calling it. | ||
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On August 09 2011 03:05 Micket wrote: I fear for Naniwa against Check, but I fear for Thorzain vs T. I don't know if he has any experience vs the Korean mech play and Marine Tank might be looking a bit shockingly bad when he realises that his marauders suck because of ravens, his opponent has 3 times as many siege tanks, and brue frame herrions are toasting his mineral lines. I have seen Tzains vs Mech play on Xelnaga it was pretty good. TvZ scares me though. | ||
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On August 09 2011 04:33 clickrush wrote: lol @ ppl not voting jinro who is one of the most consistent gsl foreigners so far. For the last 4 months or so he has done consistantly bad :/. I wanted to vote for NaNi and ThorZain. | ||
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where else Naniwa struggles with foreign events, and does not seem to do well with Koreans. maybe when he put his time in like Jinro can he possibly win my vote | ||
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On August 09 2011 03:21 red4ce wrote: Naniwa. Not only is he the best among the five but he got the easiest first round opponent in CheckPrime. How are you defining "the best" exactly, because this one time ThorZaIN dismantled Naniwa three games in a row. That being said, ThorZaIN is 5-5 against Naniwa, ever since their most recent encounter at the 2011 Blizzard Battle.net invitational. Both players have exceptionally good win/lose ratios as well, so I don't really understand how it is so clear that Naniwa is the best. But even that's not fair to the other three players. SaSe is an exceptionally good Protoss who just recently came in second place in the CPL, with MarineKing taking first place. That's a pretty impressive performance. Fenix is another incredible player. Personally I don't believe he is at the skill level of the Swedes playing in this tournament, but that doesn't mean that he won't stand a chance. I personally think there are so many Korean Terrans who play a very similar style to Fenix and do it at a higher skill level so his opponents should have plenty to practice against. That being said, Fenix has impressed me before, so who knows how well he'll do. And then there's Jinro. He's gotten to GSL's Ro4 twice in a row! There's only two other players who have gotten into the Ro4 twice in a row (RainBOw and NesTea) and technically NesTea only really made it twice in a row if you don't count the Super Tournament in between his two GSL titles. Obviously, Jinro has been playing poorly recently, but he's a really strong player with a ridiculously good record (better than any other foreigner in Korea by far). So before you go saying things like Naniwa is "the best among the five," you should really take a look at the players you're talking about (either that or come up with a good way of defining who is the best). I mean you can say "Oh well Naniwa's almost flawless MLG was incredibly well played," but my response to that is that ThorZaIN's TSL3 run--while he did not have the stunning win/lose ratio of Naniwa--was against better players, in a format more similar to the GSL (that is to say that you have more time to prepare for each game as opposed to MLG). Plus, ThorZaIN beat Naniwa in the finals. And is Check really the worst player that the five foreigners will be going up against first round? Check has had wins over MC, MMA, and Rain, all finalists of a GSL (and of course MC is a two time winner). While those games were not in the GSL, they still have to count for something right? Check's play against Choya was exceptional last Code A (not that Choya is the scariest of players, but he actually really impressed me last Code A and Check still managed to 2-0 him). Check showed that he can hold ridiculously strong Protoss timing pushes at a high level. If he plays as well against Naniwa as he did against Choya, Naniwa vs Check will be a very close match-up. On the other hand, YuGiOh has never impressed me with his play, and players like Sniper and Lucky are both completely unknown to me. Granted, they qualified for Code A so they must be good players, but does that accomplishment alone make them better than Check? I voted for ThorZaIN 1. Because I'm a ThorZaIN fanboy if you couldn't tell, and 2. because I actually think he stands a good shot at succeeding in the Korean style of play. I feel like if ThorZaIN is given enough time to prepare, he can beat top tier players and progress through Code A. That being said, I'd probably give the second best shot to either Jinro or Naniwa, just because they're both so accomplished and have proven themselves to be great players. Really though, I want all the foreigners to do well haha! | ||
bgx
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On August 09 2011 08:17 asdfTT123 wrote: fools, SaSe without a doubt I agree with this man! Edit: or... woman | ||
lunchforthesky
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On August 09 2011 07:58 The Final Boss wrote: How are you defining "the best" exactly, because this one time ThorZaIN dismantled Naniwa three games in a row. That being said, ThorZaIN is 5-5 against Naniwa, ever since their most recent encounter at the 2011 Blizzard Battle.net invitational. Both players have exceptionally good win/lose ratios as well, so I don't really understand how it is so clear that Naniwa is the best. But even that's not fair to the other three players. SaSe is an exceptionally good Protoss who just recently came in second place in the CPL, with MarineKing taking first place. That's a pretty impressive performance. Fenix is another incredible player. Personally I don't believe he is at the skill level of the Swedes playing in this tournament, but that doesn't mean that he won't stand a chance. I personally think there are so many Korean Terrans who play a very similar style to Fenix and do it at a higher skill level so his opponents should have plenty to practice against. That being said, Fenix has impressed me before, so who knows how well he'll do. And then there's Jinro. He's gotten to GSL's Ro4 twice in a row! There's only two other players who have gotten into the Ro4 twice in a row (RainBOw and NesTea) and technically NesTea only really made it twice in a row if you don't count the Super Tournament in between his two GSL titles. Obviously, Jinro has been playing poorly recently, but he's a really strong player with a ridiculously good record (better than any other foreigner in Korea by far). So before you go saying things like Naniwa is "the best among the five," you should really take a look at the players you're talking about (either that or come up with a good way of defining who is the best). I mean you can say "Oh well Naniwa's almost flawless MLG was incredibly well played," but my response to that is that ThorZaIN's TSL3 run--while he did not have the stunning win/lose ratio of Naniwa--was against better players, in a format more similar to the GSL (that is to say that you have more time to prepare for each game as opposed to MLG). Plus, ThorZaIN beat Naniwa in the finals. And is Check really the worst player that the five foreigners will be going up against first round? Check has had wins over MC, MMA, and Rain, all finalists of a GSL (and of course MC is a two time winner). While those games were not in the GSL, they still have to count for something right? Check's play against Choya was exceptional last Code A (not that Choya is the scariest of players, but he actually really impressed me last Code A and Check still managed to 2-0 him). Check showed that he can hold ridiculously strong Protoss timing pushes at a high level. If he plays as well against Naniwa as he did against Choya, Naniwa vs Check will be a very close match-up. On the other hand, YuGiOh has never impressed me with his play, and players like Sniper and Lucky are both completely unknown to me. Granted, they qualified for Code A so they must be good players, but does that accomplishment alone make them better than Check? I voted for ThorZaIN 1. Because I'm a ThorZaIN fanboy if you couldn't tell, and 2. because I actually think he stands a good shot at succeeding in the Korean style of play. I feel like if ThorZaIN is given enough time to prepare, he can beat top tier players and progress through Code A. That being said, I'd probably give the second best shot to either Jinro or Naniwa, just because they're both so accomplished and have proven themselves to be great players. Really though, I want all the foreigners to do well haha! Sase got completely slapped by MKP in the final. | ||
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gogo Naniwa! | ||
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On August 09 2011 08:04 bgx wrote: fenix, i have a hunch I hope your right but I'd say not only does he lack the results of the swedes, he also has a very difficult opponent. Tassadar's PvT is quite good and he was a code A finalist last season after taking out three terrans (Ryung, Lyn, Noblesse) | ||
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On August 09 2011 17:32 Ayomeer wrote: Ret should be on this poll! He's is just beastly lately :D not in code A this season | ||
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Naniwa and Thorzain are at the same level (maybe even better) but they have just arrived in Korea so I'll hope they do well, but I think it will be very hard | ||
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Rest of the world... are you even trying? | ||
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On August 09 2011 20:39 Bajsgrodan wrote: 3 out of 5 Swedes, Rest of the world... are you even trying? Actually, 4 out of 5 are Swedish I voted Thorzain, but I think Naniwa will perform better in the long run (i.e. future seasons). | ||
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Usually thorzain and naniwa would be favorites in my books. But they had like no time to prepare and jetlagged..... Hope they get through first round so they can properly prepare. Jinro.. id like to see him do well, so hopefully he surprises me, because at the moment I think he OS the weakest of the bunch. | ||
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All jokes aside, Naniwa is a Protoss, so I would definitely like to see him go the farthest, but It's really a toss up between him and Jinro. I mean, you don't get that far in a huge tournament twice in a row and just do nothing ever again, do you? Well I guess there is always Jangbi... Naniwa has always been very strong in foreign tournaments, so maybe this will be the time he shows he too can "hang with the big guys" in GSL. | ||
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On August 09 2011 03:02 Talin wrote: Boxer and MC say Thorzain so... Thorzain. This. Why is everybody picking Naniwa over ThorZaIN? Remember the TSL3 Finals? I don't understand why people are constantly underestimating him! ThorZaIN fighting!!! | ||
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sase gonna take Code A | ||
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On August 10 2011 11:39 SpaNkinG wrote: obv the both toss nani and sase , while nani's playing a Zerg and as we saw on blizzard inv. he isn't that good but anyway! sase gonna take Code A agree on sase based on his CPL performance and the fack hes going vs Sniper lol naniwa is a close second thorzain has to play yugioh which is no joke tbh | ||
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feardragon
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Well this sucks. >< | ||
yoshi245
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Ouch, this was rough. All 4 of them lost . But hey, at least Thorzain scratched a game off of YuGiOh. So I guess he did better than the others. I figure all of them will improve better throughout the month though when they get used to Korean ladder, practice, and styles. | ||
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Karellen
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+ Show Spoiler + I guess Thorzain was the closest...? | ||
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On August 09 2011 19:22 Beyonder wrote: Probably none. Bad matchups for most, too much traveling for most.. Thorzain has tvz.. Wel... T_T | ||
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TheRooster
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T.T..... | ||
FatBlackZombieMama
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+ Show Spoiler + One should retrospectively put a "None" option in this poll Very grim day for Sweden and the foreigner scene. I hope it will be a wake-up call for the non-Korean scene. I eagerly await GSTL, and hopefully a much stronger showing. Foreigners hwaiting! | ||
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