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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 21 2010 13:32 GMT
#521
jaedong's vZ definitely looks good enough to get through Action and Zero and flash's vT definitely looks good enough to get through Leta and Sea. Stork and Free might have the best shot of the remaining OSL contenders. also what an unreal busy schedule these bonjwas have had
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 21 2010 14:30 GMT
#522
Uh oh the b-word is resurfacing. Hmm also Jaedong is like 5 points from peak ELO. If he can beat Flash tomorrow than he'll set a new personal record, but then again WCG finals don't matter that much. It's still scary how far Jaedong will take a BO advantage and stretch it.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
August 21 2010 14:33 GMT
#523
On August 21 2010 15:36 Lightwip wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it, I think Flash deserves #1 next month unless something happens. Mostly because he has a slightly better record than JD.


Yeah, but with the maps as they are, is slightly better that much better?
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
August 21 2010 14:35 GMT
#524
On August 21 2010 23:30 flamewheel wrote:
Uh oh the b-word is resurfacing. Hmm also Jaedong is like 5 points from peak ELO. If he can beat Flash tomorrow than he'll set a new personal record, but then again WCG finals don't matter that much. It's still scary how far Jaedong will take a BO advantage and stretch it.


It's good to see JD get into peak form just in time. At least, this time, the only excuse left is map imba.
WWJDD??
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 21 2010 14:39 GMT
#525
On August 21 2010 23:30 flamewheel wrote:
Uh oh the b-word is resurfacing. Hmm also Jaedong is like 5 points from peak ELO. If he can beat Flash tomorrow than he'll set a new personal record, but then again WCG finals don't matter that much. It's still scary how far Jaedong will take a BO advantage and stretch it.


the b-word resurfacing might have something to do with this being the third straight Flash v. Jaedong MSL finals while they are both favorites to get to the OSL finals, which Flash was in for the past two seasons and Jaedong won the two seasons before that.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
August 21 2010 14:42 GMT
#526
On August 21 2010 23:30 flamewheel wrote:
Uh oh the b-word is resurfacing. Hmm also Jaedong is like 5 points from peak ELO. If he can beat Flash tomorrow than he'll set a new personal record, but then again WCG finals don't matter that much. It's still scary how far Jaedong will take a BO advantage and stretch it.

Such a silly word, honestly.

We'll have the OSL Round of 4 set, and the MSL and WCG Finals in the books by the turn of the month. I think after last night my ranking is pretty much unchanged. The Flash/Jaedong MSL winner gets #1, of course, and EffOrt falls if he loses to Kal, although I think Kal should come away with #10 no matter what. Obviously, there's some switching around with Free and ZerO depending on their OSL match, but otherwise, I think (barring a run from Action) that the ten that I mentioned will end up being the ten players on the PR.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
chameleonism
Profile Joined May 2010
United States31 Posts
August 21 2010 14:50 GMT
#527
The map pool isn't doing JD any favors (MSL) in terms of acquiring the coveted "b" title. As for WCG, it is secondary to the OSL/MSL but both want to win. It will be interesting to see if Flash/JD go for early aggression (ling overload/hydra break/BBS/etc) or will play standard every game. More to the point, will JD use a 9 pool in anticipation of a 14cc or try for a triple hatch before pool. Can't wait!
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
August 21 2010 15:44 GMT
#528
Imo if Jaedong beats Flash in the MSL finals he deserves nr1 no matter what happens in OSL and WCG. Going through 3 of the top 4 TvZ:s in bo5 with this map pool? Savioresque it would be. Especially since it (at least for the last year or two) has been his worst mu.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 21 2010 15:48 GMT
#529
On August 21 2010 16:00 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:55 Holgerius wrote:
Considering how JD played against Light I think Flash will win if he can just get his maphacks going. Mindgames will be JD's strongest weapon, I doubt he can take 3 completely standard games vs Flash with the current map-pool. There's probably going to be a nice mix of early aggression and eco-cheese. If Flash can read him properly he'll take it.

I'm waiting for Jaedong to bust out the drone scout --> 4-hatch-before-pool build against Flash's SCV scout --> CC-before-rax build.

And then another epic Crazy Zerg vs. Bio match on Odd-Eye <3



I did a 4 hatch before pool once


I was going for 3 hatch before pool and transition in funky 4 hatch play that i ve been doing, then I forgot my pool, my opponent didnt scout me


this was followed by the biggest rape in this poor guy's life.
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WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 16:33:17
August 21 2010 16:33 GMT
#530
Unfortunately, Flash will not forget to scout. So, I don't know how viable that build is. It fails to every terran build imaginable, except maybe 32 CC.

But then SCV imba.
WWJDD??
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
August 21 2010 20:20 GMT
#531
On August 22 2010 01:33 WWJDD wrote:
Unfortunately, Flash will not forget to scout. So, I don't know how viable that build is. It fails to every terran build imaginable, except maybe 32 CC.

But then SCV imba.

On the two-player maps like Odd-Eye, Flash might again do scout --> CC-before-rax, which is safe against all but the fastest of pool rushes since he instead plants a barracks if he scouts a spawning pool.

If 3 hatch before pool (with a drone scout) is safe against 1 rax FE, and it is, then 4 hatch before pool (with a drone scout) should be safe against scout --> CC-before-rax.
My strategy is to fork people.
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
August 21 2010 22:48 GMT
#532
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
August 21 2010 23:14 GMT
#533
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.



Would be pretty awesome if they did, and then split the golds in two 3-2 series. Of course it would be even more awesome if Jaedong took both, but then the scene would be less exciting
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 21 2010 23:59 GMT
#534
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.


Haha, that is indeed an amazing thing to happen to TL. I guess it's because this rivalry is reminiscent of Yellow vs Boxer in a way with these 2 being so far ahead, having a TvZ, and having all these matches/finals happen between these two in so short a time. I love this rivalry.
darkness overpowering
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
August 22 2010 00:01 GMT
#535
On August 22 2010 08:14 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.



Would be pretty awesome if they did, and then split the golds in two 3-2 series. Of course it would be even more awesome if Jaedong took both, but then the scene would be less exciting


That would be awesome. But if Flash loses MSL finals. He'll go billion turrets turtle every game and will 3-0 jaedong in the OSL. That's how bad the maps are. In fact, Flash might just do that in the MSL. It might irritate fans, but it's his safest choice with PR and OE3 as the first two maps.
WWJDD??
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 22 2010 00:14 GMT
#536
On August 22 2010 09:01 WWJDD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 08:14 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.



Would be pretty awesome if they did, and then split the golds in two 3-2 series. Of course it would be even more awesome if Jaedong took both, but then the scene would be less exciting


That would be awesome. But if Flash loses MSL finals. He'll go billion turrets turtle every game and will 3-0 jaedong in the OSL. That's how bad the maps are. In fact, Flash might just do that in the MSL. It might irritate fans, but it's his safest choice with PR and OE3 as the first two maps.


ugh, that made me remember why I hate Flash


I prefered having fantasy as the top terran


anyways hoping Jaedong can beat Flash in every Finals they play ^^

Writer
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 22 2010 00:27 GMT
#537
On August 22 2010 09:01 WWJDD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 08:14 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.



Would be pretty awesome if they did, and then split the golds in two 3-2 series. Of course it would be even more awesome if Jaedong took both, but then the scene would be less exciting


That would be awesome. But if Flash loses MSL finals. He'll go billion turrets turtle every game and will 3-0 jaedong in the OSL. That's how bad the maps are. In fact, Flash might just do that in the MSL. It might irritate fans, but it's his safest choice with PR and OE3 as the first two maps.


You know the OSL maps are far better for zerg than PR and OE3.
newvsoldschool
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 01:30:33
August 22 2010 01:25 GMT
#538
On August 22 2010 09:14 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 09:01 WWJDD wrote:
On August 22 2010 08:14 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.



Would be pretty awesome if they did, and then split the golds in two 3-2 series. Of course it would be even more awesome if Jaedong took both, but then the scene would be less exciting


That would be awesome. But if Flash loses MSL finals. He'll go billion turrets turtle every game and will 3-0 jaedong in the OSL. That's how bad the maps are. In fact, Flash might just do that in the MSL. It might irritate fans, but it's his safest choice with PR and OE3 as the first two maps.





I prefered having fantasy as the top terran




When was Fantasy considered the top Terran, ever? It has always been Flash since 2008, then you have/had Mind, Fantasy, and Leta tailing behind Flash.

Heck, I'd have to say I couldn't remember any other Terran on top since NaDa won OGN Masters, until Flash came along.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas, Brood War Progamer
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 22 2010 03:10 GMT
#539
On August 22 2010 10:25 newvsoldschool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 09:14 swanized wrote:
On August 22 2010 09:01 WWJDD wrote:
On August 22 2010 08:14 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 22 2010 07:48 LucasWoJ wrote:
It's interesting that for the first time in a while, there is no clear dichotomy between Flash and Jaedong fans. Flash's 15-game winning streak and general domination, coupled with Jaedong's overcoming map imbalance like a man to reach his third consecutive MSL finals seem to have respectively validated the other player in the opposing fans' eyes as a legitimate, ostensibly even equal opponent. Nothing would make me happier than to see both reach the OSL finals as well.



Would be pretty awesome if they did, and then split the golds in two 3-2 series. Of course it would be even more awesome if Jaedong took both, but then the scene would be less exciting


That would be awesome. But if Flash loses MSL finals. He'll go billion turrets turtle every game and will 3-0 jaedong in the OSL. That's how bad the maps are. In fact, Flash might just do that in the MSL. It might irritate fans, but it's his safest choice with PR and OE3 as the first two maps.





I prefered having fantasy as the top terran




When was Fantasy considered the top Terran, ever? It has always been Flash since 2008, then you have/had Mind, Fantasy, and Leta tailing behind Flash.

Heck, I'd have to say I couldn't remember any other Terran on top since NaDa won OGN Masters, until Flash came along.



FLash was not doing too hot for a bit back in early 2009,

a few power ranks

09/01/09

1 JD
2 Fanta
5 Flash

08/04/09
1 JD
2 Fanta
CBNC Flash

07/08/09
1 JD
2 Fantasy
5 FLash

06/12/09
3 JD
4 FLash
8 Fantasy

05/15/2009 (lol, posting the power rank halfway in the next month XD)
2.fantasy
4 JD
8 Flash
04/10/09
1 JD
4 Fanta
7 Flash

ok I think I made my point and I can stop now
Writer
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 22 2010 04:19 GMT
#540
Fantasy was ahead by a lot in individual league performance for a while. Also, ForGG briefly looked strong when he beat Flash and JD back-to-back, although he ended up not being able to keep any of that momentum. Mind when he won MSL over Bisu was considered the strongest Terran at that time by many including me.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
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