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1) 815 (beat JD!!!!!!)
2) Flash (insane streak)
3) Luxury (solid run, likely to advance in MSL OSL qualifiers)
4) Violet (Playing high level SC, barely knocked out of MSL)
5) Hoejja (Beat Bisu that one time)
6) ForGG (Beat JD)
7) Stats (Cool game vs Mind on Harmony)
8) Tempest (Beat JD)
9) YellOw (Beat Bisu, KTF is doing well)
10) Goodfriend (Solid play for KTF in the past)
CBNC
Hery (Ex KTF prince. Solid play, deserves respect)
Bisu (Put up a good fight vs YellOw/Hoejja/Violet)
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You put Goodfriend on there before Reach? =(
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I'm a sucker for Goodfriend.
Are you saying I should replace Hery for Reach in CBNC? Cause Reach is mantoss and all but Hery is looking pretty solid this season
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I'm a huge Flash fan but I can't see him taking 1 spot. I don't like rating flash in the pan sort of people so high, they need to do something to move up spots.
1- Calm - He hasn't done anything to warrant him dropping, he's solid in proleague so far and qualified for both leagues. Also he won last MSL.
2- Jaedong - Ugly in proleague so far but he's seeded into both leagues, has won the last 2 OSLs, and came in 3rd in WCG. I know not a lot of this has bearing on his performance this month but I can't see penalizing him so much for some ZvZ losses.
3- Flash - Playing exceptionally strongly, he's won his last 10 straight. Not only has he won them but he hasn't even been close to losing a game, he's been very convincing. He's alive in both leagues still. Also he won GOM I guess.
4- Bisu - Quite strong in Proleague so far, only alive in 1 league hence his drop a rank. His victory in WGC still keeps him this high though.
5- Stork - Looking good, hasn't played much in PL (1-1) because Khan sucks but he's alive in both leagues and did well in WCG.
6- Effort - Fairly solid in Proleague and still alive in both leagues.
7- Fantasy - Fairly solid in Proleague and alive in 1 league.
8- Hyuk - Really strong in Proleague and alive in both leagues.
9- Movie - Strong in Proleague so far and alive in 1 league.
10- Luxury - He may fall off depending how he does in individuals but he's been great in PL, potentially alive in 2 leagues, and went pretty deep into WCG. I could see him falling off or moving up a slot depending on how things go.
Mention- Leta's been decent at least, he could move up if Luxury drops out of both leagues and if he stays alive in OSL.
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Nice trollbait, I'd rate it about a 9/10, not too over-the-top since 4-10 looks reasonable. 'Flash in the pan' was also a clever pun. You'll definitely get some bites. This is how trolling should be done, people.
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On October 29 2009 09:40 revy wrote:
I'm a huge Flash fan but I can't see him taking 1 spot. I don't like rating flash in the pan sort of people so high, they need to do something to move up spots.
1- Calm - He hasn't done anything to warrant him dropping, he's solid in proleague so far and qualified for both leagues. Also he won last MSL.
2- Jaedong - Ugly in proleague so far but he's seeded into both leagues, has won the last 2 OSLs, and came in 3rd in WCG. I know not a lot of this has bearing on his performance this month but I can't see penalizing him so much for some ZvZ losses.
3- Flash - Playing exceptionally strongly, he's won his last 10 straight. Not only has he won them but he hasn't even been close to losing a game, he's been very convincing. He's alive in both leagues still. Also he won GOM I guess.
4- Bisu - Quite strong in Proleague so far, only alive in 1 league hence his drop a rank. His victory in WGC still keeps him this high though.
5- Stork - Looking good, hasn't played much in PL (1-1) because Khan sucks but he's alive in both leagues and did well in WCG.
6- Effort - Fairly solid in Proleague and still alive in both leagues.
7- Fantasy - Fairly solid in Proleague and alive in 1 league.
8- Hyuk - Really strong in Proleague and alive in both leagues.
9- Movie - Strong in Proleague so far and alive in 1 league.
10- Luxury - He may fall off depending how he does in individuals but he's been great in PL, potentially alive in 2 leagues, and went pretty deep into WCG. I could see him falling off or moving up a slot depending on how things go.
Mention- Leta's been decent at least, he could move up if Luxury drops out of both leagues and if he stays alive in OSL.
Are you mad?!
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Lol, Flash is a 'flash in the pan,' player, alright.
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My rationale:
Despite Flash playing great you can't penalize Calm and drop him below Flash. Calm has been doing great too, they're both alive in both leagues, both playing strong in PL, the difference is Calm won the MSL and Flash won GOM.
Jaedong, true he's lost some ZvZ recently but he's seeded into both leagues. He's won the last 2 OSL's, was a semi-finalist in MSL, and finished 3rd in WCG. He's bought himself a lot of staying power because of this. Now as for Flash he's been lights out lately and I really want to give him second but I think he just barely comes up shy here. That said, it's very plausible to rank Flash 2nd.
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It's not penalizing Calm to say Flash is the strongest player with a good history and an amazing showing this month.
It's like when Effort completely stomped everyone a few months back, there was no denying he was playing strong enough to get a spot over the reigning OSL champ with that ridiculous 25-3 record. Penalizing Calm would be like dropping him a spot or two just because he lost and ace match the other day. This is more a reward to Flash for not only going 10-0, undefeated in PL, qualifying into both leagues, but also his absolutely astonishing level of play. Not to mention bringing the sexy back into MnM.
I mean hell Flash has been breaking all sorts of records left, right and center. It's no MSL, but I'm sure it compounds.
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Hey revy, how long have you been following professional SC? Serious question.
Also, my response to your argument about Calm: lol
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MSL finished in August. Same with OSL. Why would it matter so much when deciding this PR?
Flash went 10-0, while being sick, and again abused by his team. He plays ridiculously amazing starcraft right now. He is on 13 winning streak in TvT, with elo of 2352 and on 13 consecutive wins in ZvZ (not counting loss to savior in the showmatch).
Calm is playing really really good but Flash is just playing better now.
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On October 29 2009 10:47 Lebesgue wrote:
MSL finished in August. Same with OSL. Why would it matter so much when deciding this PR?
Flash went 10-0, while being sick, and again abused by his team. He plays ridiculously amazing starcraft right now. He is on 13 winning streak in TvT, with elo of 2352 and on 13 consecutive wins in ZvZ (not counting loss to savior in the showmatch).
Calm is playing really really good but Flash is just playing better now.
thats was my logic.
Flash > Calm for this month
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I followed the pro scene as well as you could back in 2003-2004 when I stopped playing then picked it back up again during Flash's Bacchus run. Just because I didn't make a TL account until recently doesn't make me some nub. Check my LB if you doubt me (but don't check my fantasy! I had this strange idea that effort was over the hill).
Trust me, I know that Flash is probably the most talented player there is but he hasn't been showing it since Bacchus. I was there for the Luxury, Forgg, ggplay, kwanro, and leta series'. Flash hasn't been a semi-finalist in an individual league in over a year! Flash has this nasty habit of winning 10-13 in a row then bouncing out of both leagues over the span of a week. I really hope that wont be the case this time as I really want him to win but the fact of the matter is that Calm has been more successful than Flash in the past ~4 months, and that's about as far as I can look back for October's PR.
Edit - I've left out GOM here. GOM is all well and good but everybody knows that OSL/MSL are the individual leagues that matter most.
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My concern against ranking Flash first is the expectation (consistently held up in the past) that he will die to Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. It's hard to claim you're the best of the top five when the other four kick you around...
I would like to see his new bio play against a Zerg stronger than Kwanro (although a clean victory over Kwanro is a good step) and/or see him defeat against a Protoss as good or better than Backho before I conclude this is a real comeback and not just more noobsweeping. (In TvP and TvZ. He's been the god of TvT for months now, of course.)
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You can't go by a month at a time basis in this game. PR has always been a blend of who did well this month and who has done well over the last few months. If you have too long of a memory then PR will never change, if you have to short of a memory PR will change infinitely fast. The only reasonable system is some sort of weighting.
Prior to this month the last month anything of note happened was in August. To me that justifies me to look back and use this in my evaluation.
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On October 29 2009 11:09 Severedevil wrote:
My concern against ranking Flash first is the expectation (consistently held up in the past) that he will die to Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. It's hard to claim you're the best of the top five when the other four kick you around...
I would like to see his new bio play against a Zerg stronger than Kwanro (although a clean victory over Kwanro is a good step) and/or see him defeat against a Protoss as good or better than Backho before I conclude this is a real comeback and not just more noobsweeping. (In TvP and TvZ. He's been the god of TvT for months now, of course.)
He 2-0'd Effort with Mech and MnM, does that not count?
Also, I just don't get how Flash couldn't be #1 this month. He had a horrible schedule and illness, yet still did the absolute best he possibly could. No matter what he did this month, the apparent argument is that Flash just can't be #1. I mean, what do you want, for KT to not get 3-1'd by CJ so he can face Effort in ace? For KT to lose 2 games so he could play Hiya, Jaedong, and Hogil in a bo3 all in the same day?
I just honestly don't get what you expect out of him. If he bombs out of the leagues then I guess you can be happy to say you called it, but there's just no justification for penalizing Flash for a straight up perfect month of starcraft.
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I'm not trying to penalize him, he's moving up 2 ranks. I just think that it takes more than 1 month to jump way up in a PR, especially when there's a person above you who didn't really mess up. I thought it was insane when Flash was dropped off the PR entirely, they were not accurately evaluating Flash's previous month strong performance in PL as well as his strong performance in GOM (though GOM is less impressive).
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Revy is either trolling or he's an idiot.
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It's not like he was playing horribly before his current run, he was the #1 winner in PL and he won GOM having dropped only a single game in the whole tournament. I really don't see how Flash goes anywhere but #1 this month.
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Here is why Flash is #1 this month:
revy, you get to be the lurkers 
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