• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:48
CEST 09:48
KST 16:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202533RSL Season 1 - Final Week8[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams3Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster Why doesnt SC2 scene costream tournaments
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 534 users

Power Rank 10/01/2009 - Page 18

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 23 Next All
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 21:56:19
October 28 2009 21:49 GMT
#341
I think.........
+ Show Spoiler +

1) 815 (beat JD!!!!!!)
2) Flash (insane streak)
3) Luxury (solid run, likely to advance in MSL OSL qualifiers)
4) Violet (Playing high level SC, barely knocked out of MSL)
5) Hoejja (Beat Bisu that one time)
6) ForGG (Beat JD)
7) Stats (Cool game vs Mind on Harmony)
8) Tempest (Beat JD)
9) YellOw (Beat Bisu, KTF is doing well)
10) Goodfriend (Solid play for KTF in the past)

CBNC
Hery (Ex KTF prince. Solid play, deserves respect)
Bisu (Put up a good fight vs YellOw/Hoejja/Violet)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 28 2009 21:53 GMT
#342
You put Goodfriend on there before Reach? =(
Remember Violet.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
October 28 2009 21:55 GMT
#343
I'm a sucker for Goodfriend.

Are you saying I should replace Hery for Reach in CBNC? Cause Reach is mantoss and all but Hery is looking pretty solid this season
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 00:45:17
October 29 2009 00:40 GMT
#344
I'm a huge Flash fan but I can't see him taking 1 spot. I don't like rating flash in the pan sort of people so high, they need to do something to move up spots.

1- Calm - He hasn't done anything to warrant him dropping, he's solid in proleague so far and qualified for both leagues. Also he won last MSL.
2- Jaedong - Ugly in proleague so far but he's seeded into both leagues, has won the last 2 OSLs, and came in 3rd in WCG. I know not a lot of this has bearing on his performance this month but I can't see penalizing him so much for some ZvZ losses.
3- Flash - Playing exceptionally strongly, he's won his last 10 straight. Not only has he won them but he hasn't even been close to losing a game, he's been very convincing. He's alive in both leagues still. Also he won GOM I guess.
4- Bisu - Quite strong in Proleague so far, only alive in 1 league hence his drop a rank. His victory in WGC still keeps him this high though.
5- Stork - Looking good, hasn't played much in PL (1-1) because Khan sucks but he's alive in both leagues and did well in WCG.
6- Effort - Fairly solid in Proleague and still alive in both leagues.
7- Fantasy - Fairly solid in Proleague and alive in 1 league.
8- Hyuk - Really strong in Proleague and alive in both leagues.
9- Movie - Strong in Proleague so far and alive in 1 league.
10- Luxury - He may fall off depending how he does in individuals but he's been great in PL, potentially alive in 2 leagues, and went pretty deep into WCG. I could see him falling off or moving up a slot depending on how things go.

Mention- Leta's been decent at least, he could move up if Luxury drops out of both leagues and if he stays alive in OSL.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
October 29 2009 00:45 GMT
#345
Nice trollbait, I'd rate it about a 9/10, not too over-the-top since 4-10 looks reasonable. 'Flash in the pan' was also a clever pun. You'll definitely get some bites. This is how trolling should be done, people.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
October 29 2009 00:47 GMT
#346
On October 29 2009 09:40 revy wrote:
I'm a huge Flash fan but I can't see him taking 1 spot. I don't like rating flash in the pan sort of people so high, they need to do something to move up spots.

1- Calm - He hasn't done anything to warrant him dropping, he's solid in proleague so far and qualified for both leagues. Also he won last MSL.
2- Jaedong - Ugly in proleague so far but he's seeded into both leagues, has won the last 2 OSLs, and came in 3rd in WCG. I know not a lot of this has bearing on his performance this month but I can't see penalizing him so much for some ZvZ losses.
3- Flash - Playing exceptionally strongly, he's won his last 10 straight. Not only has he won them but he hasn't even been close to losing a game, he's been very convincing. He's alive in both leagues still. Also he won GOM I guess.
4- Bisu - Quite strong in Proleague so far, only alive in 1 league hence his drop a rank. His victory in WGC still keeps him this high though.
5- Stork - Looking good, hasn't played much in PL (1-1) because Khan sucks but he's alive in both leagues and did well in WCG.
6- Effort - Fairly solid in Proleague and still alive in both leagues.
7- Fantasy - Fairly solid in Proleague and alive in 1 league.
8- Hyuk - Really strong in Proleague and alive in both leagues.
9- Movie - Strong in Proleague so far and alive in 1 league.
10- Luxury - He may fall off depending how he does in individuals but he's been great in PL, potentially alive in 2 leagues, and went pretty deep into WCG. I could see him falling off or moving up a slot depending on how things go.

Mention- Leta's been decent at least, he could move up if Luxury drops out of both leagues and if he stays alive in OSL.

Are you mad?!
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 29 2009 01:13 GMT
#347
Lol, Flash is a 'flash in the pan,' player, alright.
Remember Violet.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
October 29 2009 01:17 GMT
#348
My rationale:

Despite Flash playing great you can't penalize Calm and drop him below Flash. Calm has been doing great too, they're both alive in both leagues, both playing strong in PL, the difference is Calm won the MSL and Flash won GOM.

Jaedong, true he's lost some ZvZ recently but he's seeded into both leagues. He's won the last 2 OSL's, was a semi-finalist in MSL, and finished 3rd in WCG. He's bought himself a lot of staying power because of this. Now as for Flash he's been lights out lately and I really want to give him second but I think he just barely comes up shy here. That said, it's very plausible to rank Flash 2nd.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 01:40:47
October 29 2009 01:40 GMT
#349
It's not penalizing Calm to say Flash is the strongest player with a good history and an amazing showing this month.

It's like when Effort completely stomped everyone a few months back, there was no denying he was playing strong enough to get a spot over the reigning OSL champ with that ridiculous 25-3 record. Penalizing Calm would be like dropping him a spot or two just because he lost and ace match the other day. This is more a reward to Flash for not only going 10-0, undefeated in PL, qualifying into both leagues, but also his absolutely astonishing level of play. Not to mention bringing the sexy back into MnM.

I mean hell Flash has been breaking all sorts of records left, right and center. It's no MSL, but I'm sure it compounds.
Remember Violet.
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 01:44:58
October 29 2009 01:43 GMT
#350
Hey revy, how long have you been following professional SC? Serious question.

Also, my response to your argument about Calm: lol
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 01:53:42
October 29 2009 01:47 GMT
#351
MSL finished in August. Same with OSL. Why would it matter so much when deciding this PR?

Flash went 10-0, while being sick, and again abused by his team. He plays ridiculously amazing starcraft right now. He is on 13 winning streak in TvT, with elo of 2352 and on 13 consecutive wins in ZvZ (not counting loss to savior in the showmatch).

Calm is playing really really good but Flash is just playing better now.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 29 2009 01:54 GMT
#352
On October 29 2009 10:47 Lebesgue wrote:
MSL finished in August. Same with OSL. Why would it matter so much when deciding this PR?

Flash went 10-0, while being sick, and again abused by his team. He plays ridiculously amazing starcraft right now. He is on 13 winning streak in TvT, with elo of 2352 and on 13 consecutive wins in ZvZ (not counting loss to savior in the showmatch).

Calm is playing really really good but Flash is just playing better now.


thats was my logic.

Flash > Calm for this month
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 02:15:39
October 29 2009 02:05 GMT
#353
I followed the pro scene as well as you could back in 2003-2004 when I stopped playing then picked it back up again during Flash's Bacchus run. Just because I didn't make a TL account until recently doesn't make me some nub. Check my LB if you doubt me (but don't check my fantasy! I had this strange idea that effort was over the hill).

Trust me, I know that Flash is probably the most talented player there is but he hasn't been showing it since Bacchus. I was there for the Luxury, Forgg, ggplay, kwanro, and leta series'. Flash hasn't been a semi-finalist in an individual league in over a year! Flash has this nasty habit of winning 10-13 in a row then bouncing out of both leagues over the span of a week. I really hope that wont be the case this time as I really want him to win but the fact of the matter is that Calm has been more successful than Flash in the past ~4 months, and that's about as far as I can look back for October's PR.

Edit - I've left out GOM here. GOM is all well and good but everybody knows that OSL/MSL are the individual leagues that matter most.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
October 29 2009 02:09 GMT
#354
My concern against ranking Flash first is the expectation (consistently held up in the past) that he will die to Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. It's hard to claim you're the best of the top five when the other four kick you around...

I would like to see his new bio play against a Zerg stronger than Kwanro (although a clean victory over Kwanro is a good step) and/or see him defeat against a Protoss as good or better than Backho before I conclude this is a real comeback and not just more noobsweeping. (In TvP and TvZ. He's been the god of TvT for months now, of course.)
My strategy is to fork people.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
October 29 2009 02:12 GMT
#355
You can't go by a month at a time basis in this game. PR has always been a blend of who did well this month and who has done well over the last few months. If you have too long of a memory then PR will never change, if you have to short of a memory PR will change infinitely fast. The only reasonable system is some sort of weighting.

Prior to this month the last month anything of note happened was in August. To me that justifies me to look back and use this in my evaluation.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 02:16:50
October 29 2009 02:13 GMT
#356
On October 29 2009 11:09 Severedevil wrote:
My concern against ranking Flash first is the expectation (consistently held up in the past) that he will die to Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. It's hard to claim you're the best of the top five when the other four kick you around...

I would like to see his new bio play against a Zerg stronger than Kwanro (although a clean victory over Kwanro is a good step) and/or see him defeat against a Protoss as good or better than Backho before I conclude this is a real comeback and not just more noobsweeping. (In TvP and TvZ. He's been the god of TvT for months now, of course.)


He 2-0'd Effort with Mech and MnM, does that not count?

Also, I just don't get how Flash couldn't be #1 this month. He had a horrible schedule and illness, yet still did the absolute best he possibly could. No matter what he did this month, the apparent argument is that Flash just can't be #1. I mean, what do you want, for KT to not get 3-1'd by CJ so he can face Effort in ace? For KT to lose 2 games so he could play Hiya, Jaedong, and Hogil in a bo3 all in the same day?

I just honestly don't get what you expect out of him. If he bombs out of the leagues then I guess you can be happy to say you called it, but there's just no justification for penalizing Flash for a straight up perfect month of starcraft.
Remember Violet.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
October 29 2009 02:23 GMT
#357
I'm not trying to penalize him, he's moving up 2 ranks. I just think that it takes more than 1 month to jump way up in a PR, especially when there's a person above you who didn't really mess up. I thought it was insane when Flash was dropped off the PR entirely, they were not accurately evaluating Flash's previous month strong performance in PL as well as his strong performance in GOM (though GOM is less impressive).
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 29 2009 02:27 GMT
#358
Revy is either trolling or he's an idiot.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
October 29 2009 02:27 GMT
#359
It's not like he was playing horribly before his current run, he was the #1 winner in PL and he won GOM having dropped only a single game in the whole tournament. I really don't see how Flash goes anywhere but #1 this month.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
October 29 2009 02:29 GMT
#360
Here is why Flash is #1 this month:

[image loading]


revy, you get to be the lurkers
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 23 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech71
StarCraft: Brood War
Nal_rA 5198
Hyuk 4059
Zeus 1368
BeSt 429
ToSsGirL 265
Leta 92
Backho 62
Sacsri 62
ajuk12(nOOB) 24
NaDa 18
[ Show more ]
Britney 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe142
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K684
Other Games
summit1g5657
ceh9651
SortOf39
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1198
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH446
• Sammyuel 33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota258
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
2h 13m
ByuN vs Zoun
SHIN vs TriGGeR
Cyan vs ShoWTimE
Rogue vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Solar
Reynor vs Maru
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
Esports World Cup
1d 2h
Esports World Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.