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revy
United States1524 Posts
On October 29 2009 11:27 Holgerius wrote: Revy is either trolling or he's an idiot. Because that's a reasonable thing to say. Flash fans are something else, they'll kill a fellow flash fan just for saying he isn't the second coming of jesus! I'm not going to argue anymore though, I've said what I had to say, take it with a grain of salt, feel free to disagree with me. Let's just hope Flash keeps up his run. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 29 2009 11:23 revy wrote: I'm not trying to penalize him, he's moving up 2 ranks. I just think that it takes more than 1 month to jump way up in a PR, especially when there's a person above you who didn't really mess up. I thought it was insane when Flash was dropped off the PR entirely, they were not accurately evaluating Flash's previous month strong performance in PL as well as his strong performance in GOM (though GOM is less impressive). Moving from 5th to first after a perfect month, when all four players above him have dropped games they probably shouldn't have, no matter how minor, is not not an unreasonable jump. I mean, Jaedong's slipping ZvZ, Calm's Ace loss and dropped game to Backho (Not super important but that's still 2 losses that Flash didn't have), Bisu's obviously painful loss to Shine, and Fantasy's dropped games to Upmagic and Stats. Every single person above him has shown weakness this month and lost an important game or two. Flash hasn't. Flash has played better games, Flash has completely reworked TvZ again, apparently mastered TvT, and has completely dismantled the Elo system like a second rate zerg's lurkers. Short of winning ANOTHER title (Gom counts, albeit less so), which obviously wasn't possible, Flash has really done all he could. And? He did it with some kind of Flu or something! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
It is very much reasonable to say that. It's a new season, Calm and Jaedong won their titles 2 months ago. Flash has been PERFECT this month; he is 10-0 (he hasn't just won every game, most of them has been hardcore rape), breaking records and has made it into both leagues. Flash No1, no doubt. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
flash has been fucking insane lately, can't argue with a WWWWWWWWWW calm has been very impressive hyuk has been insane lately. who says anything about sktt1 zergs anymore? no one. He took out effort, stork, jaedong and kwanro, losing only to sea in proleague. nothing bad to see here. bisu has been looking pretty good lately, but losing to shine kal 2-1 is pretty embarrassing, not that bisu is unfamiliar with getting eliminated by mediocre zergs. jaedong looks strong, but not unbeatable anymore. he dropped games to hyuk and 815 in his best matchup which is pretty shaky. luxury decided to step up to the plate and start contributing to kt. they're 5-1 for a reason and it's not just flash anymore. effort is doing decently, dropping one game to hyuk, but no embarassment in that anymore. roro has been dropping games lately, but he's improved like crazy, even becoming wemade's ace, and they are doing pretty darn well. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
By the way, being a 'noob sweeper' isn't a bad thing. I'll bet Bisu and Jaedong wished their noob sweepers were working this month. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
 Calm...GoRush Win RorO Loss  Rock Win BackHo Win BackHo Win BackHo Loss  Reality Win Reality Win BackHo Win Movie WinIn his games of the last month, Calm has gone 8-2. Yet, Three of these wins came across BackHo's 35.56% PvZ. A loss also came against this. Two wins came against Reality, who was in his first TV game. Another win came against the Rock. GoRush is an ACE player, and has lost most of his ability. Of this list only Movie posed any real challenge that Calm conquered. He lost to RorO in ACE, which is, to me, inexcusable. Contrast this with EffOrt...EffOrt has played less games, simply because he didn't need to qualify for the OSL. In five proleague appearances, EffOrt has defeated both Yellow[ArnC] who (in all fairness, looks terrible, but he played solidly against EffOrt) and Luxury, two players who have recently displayed top level ZvZ. SangHo came prepared with a clever build that EffOrt shrugged off. To me, the PR is much more subjective than it is to many other people. But despite last night's loss to Hyuk, (who is, I cringe to say it, looking more and more like the real deal), EffOrt has simply played and dominated a higher calibre of player that Calm has. While that would not originally make me suggest that a player be dropped - a player after all, cannot really choose their opponents - Calm's loss in an ACE match to RorO is what should cause him to fall one slot. I think Calm is an excellent ZvZ player with a good deal of preparation, but that loss to RorO simply should not have happened to a player aspiring to be the top ranked zerg on the list. It's close, but I just think that Calm has played too many scrubs this month, and failed to deliver when his team needed it. EffOrt has lost once, and dominated the rest against quality competition. EffOrt should be #2, and Calm should be #3. + Show Spoiler + Hyuk should be #6 or #7. ZvZ notwithstanding, his ZvT is atrocious. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On October 29 2009 09:40 revy wrote: I'm a huge Flash fan but I can't see him taking 1 spot. I don't like rating flash in the pan sort of people so high, they need to do something to move up spots. 1- Calm - He hasn't done anything to warrant him dropping, he's solid in proleague so far and qualified for both leagues. Also he won last MSL. <Edna Krabappel voice> Ha! </Edna Krabappel voice> On October 29 2009 11:09 Severedevil wrote: My concern against ranking Flash first is the expectation (consistently held up in the past) that he will die to Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. It's hard to claim you're the best of the top five when the other four kick you around... I would like to see his new bio play against a Zerg stronger than Kwanro (although a clean victory over Kwanro is a good step) and/or see him defeat against a Protoss as good or better than Backho before I conclude this is a real comeback and not just more noobsweeping. (In TvP and TvZ. He's been the god of TvT for months now, of course.) Flash most recently went 1-2 in a Bo3 against Bisu, winning on the terran favored map and losing on the two protoss favored maps. Both losses were close games, while the win was dominating. There was also the recent series against Effort -- I heard that guy is pretty good. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8071 Posts
He's not as far base as people saying JD is slumping... or that Hyuk should be anywhere higher than number 8 on this rank -_-;;;;;; Personally I think Flash is a favorite over Calm in a BoX series and is a way more consistent ace and that's why I would put him above Calm on this rank, nevermind his sick play throughout the month. Flash #1 this month imo for sure | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Bisu #2 Calm #3 JD #4 and this is coming from a JD fan, Calm/Bisu is debatable, and JD is running through one of his bad no individual leagues months but thats ok, just dont put JD under 4 otherwise youll be walking on foolish grounds and it might look stupid the month. Please no Hyuk top 6, thats just plain riduculous, I dont care how well he played, getting into both SLs and having a good run so far in PL 3-1 doesnt merit a top 6 spot yet, infact it only merited to the bottom 3 spots in the previous PRs so I see no reason to change that especially with a unproven and quite used to failure character. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
I don't see the reason why he shouldn't move up in ranking, even less why he should go down | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
#1 Flash #2 Calm #3 + #4 JD/Effort the rest have to be split between Bisu, Stork, fantasy, Movie, Hyuk and Shine, CBNC: Lux, Hwasin and revy: Movie is in both leagues | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On October 29 2009 23:40 AzureEye wrote: Calm has seriously been raping left and right I don't see the reason why he shouldn't move up in ranking, even less why he should go down There's a little bit of a new-season reset that's bound to happen - and Calm kind of lost an ace match. It's hard to make an argument that this is better than Flash, for example, so with Calm at #2 already he can't move up. He does have basically the 2nd-best record, so holding Calm at #2 would make sense. On the other hand you could point to Luxury or EffOrt who have equally good (or bad) records this month and make some argument based on play (such as Calm being handed a win by SangHo) or whatever. Calm in the top 5 seems right but I wouldn't argue about the exact spot. Calm #1 seems wrong. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
#1 Flash #2 Calm #3 Effort #4 Hyuk #5 Shine #6 Movie #7 Luxury #8 Stork #9 Bisu #10 Jaedong Flash naturally deserves #1 for this month. (Don't try to argue with that) JD & Bisu are both in pretty bad shape, witch is why I rank them so low atm. I'm sure they'll be back at the top soon, but for the moment; #9 & #10 will have to do. Not sure witch order to put #2 - #8 but this seems about right to me. Oh, and about the whole "being in both leagues = high rank" - affair, I'm gonna have to say that that's kinda stupid given that some (JD-hint hint) were auto-qualified and has been failing miserably otherwise. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On October 29 2009 21:10 samachking wrote: Flash #1 Bisu #2 Calm #3 JD #4 and this is coming from a JD fan, Calm/Bisu is debatable, and JD is running through one of his bad no individual leagues months but thats ok, just dont put JD under 4 otherwise youll be walking on foolish grounds and it might look stupid the month. Please no Hyuk top 6, thats just plain riduculous, I dont care how well he played, getting into both SLs and having a good run so far in PL 3-1 doesnt merit a top 6 spot yet, infact it only merited to the bottom 3 spots in the previous PRs so I see no reason to change that especially with a unproven and quite used to failure character. Bisu failing in OSL is bader then Jaedong losing 2 ZvZs in PL with 12 hat vs 9 pool in one of the games . Calm and Flash have been looking dominant to say the least . | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On October 30 2009 00:26 HaXXspetten wrote: My top 10 for this month would be: #1 Flash #2 Calm #3 Effort #4 Hyuk #5 Shine #6 Movie #7 Luxury #8 Stork #9 Bisu #10 Jaedong Flash naturally deserves #1 for this month. (Don't try to argue with that) JD & Bisu are both in pretty bad shape, witch is why I rank them so low atm. I'm sure they'll be back at the top soon, but for the moment; #9 & #10 will have to do. Not sure witch order to put #2 - #8 but this seems about right to me. Oh, and about the whole "being in both leagues = high rank" - affair, I'm gonna have to say that that's kinda stupid given that some (JD-hint hint) were auto-qualified and has been failing miserably otherwise. Hyuk has 20 % winrate against terran i don't know about you people but i wouldn't give him a spot above 8 even if it kills me . Edit: there is actually something wrong with his TLPD vT stats so looking at his games against terrans he should have a higher win percentage ... i still wouldn't give him a higher spot then 8 though . | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On October 30 2009 00:39 raga4ka wrote: Don't know about you people but Bisu failing in OSL is bader then Jaedong losing 2 ZvZs in PL with 12 hat vs 9 pool in one of the games . Calm and Flash have been looking dominant to say the least . Yeah I know. Its just kind of weird that JD is dropping ZvZs to random scrubs in PL, relativity is the main problem here, we are so used to JD having 80% winrate that when he goes on a random 1-3 streak we go omg slump, whereas people have adapted to Bisu failing to opponents just outplaying him straight up in the OSL. It does make sense I suppose to have JD at 3 and Bisu at 4, but hopefully the writer doesnt put anyone in the top 4 besides these 4 :/ it just wont make sense and that kind of shit usually lends to players going on a fail tear the next month due to the streaky nature of sc. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On October 30 2009 00:26 HaXXspetten wrote: My top 10 for this month would be: #1 Flash #2 Calm #3 Effort #4 Hyuk #5 Shine #6 Movie #7 Luxury #8 Stork #9 Bisu #10 Jaedong Flash naturally deserves #1 for this month. (Don't try to argue with that) JD & Bisu are both in pretty bad shape, witch is why I rank them so low atm. I'm sure they'll be back at the top soon, but for the moment; #9 & #10 will have to do. Not sure witch order to put #2 - #8 but this seems about right to me. Oh, and about the whole "being in both leagues = high rank" - affair, I'm gonna have to say that that's kinda stupid given that some (JD-hint hint) were auto-qualified and has been failing miserably otherwise. Bad Ranking. Bisu #9? JD #10? Lol. They might have had a bad month but they are still the top players of their respective race. Short-Term Performance =/= Skill. Being auto-qualified is a good thing, and it does justify being in both leagues. Because, if they weren't good & win games in the 1st place, they wouldn't get auto-qualified right? Stop whining about it | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On October 30 2009 00:26 HaXXspetten wrote: My top 10 for this month would be: #1 Flash #2 Calm #3 Effort #4 Hyuk #5 Shine #6 Movie #7 Luxury #8 Stork #9 Bisu #10 Jaedong Flash naturally deserves #1 for this month. (Don't try to argue with that) JD & Bisu are both in pretty bad shape, witch is why I rank them so low atm. I'm sure they'll be back at the top soon, but for the moment; #9 & #10 will have to do. Not sure witch order to put #2 - #8 but this seems about right to me. Oh, and about the whole "being in both leagues = high rank" - affair, I'm gonna have to say that that's kinda stupid given that some (JD-hint hint) were auto-qualified and has been failing miserably otherwise. Purely resultbased you could argue that jaedong should drop alot of spots, but seriously, if I were a newbe to this scene and I watched the PR to see who is the strongest players right now i think saying Hyuk Movie and Shine is better than Jaedong is pretty misleading. top 5 players in the world right now are probably flash jaedong bisu calm and effort, even if some of the lost 2 games in a row or so this month cmon. | ||
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