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Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
March 06 2009 01:40 GMT
#21
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

+ Show Spoiler +
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that's my pic :3

I loved the first 4 games of the series. It was so weird how they were able to completely dominate each other in each of those games. I do like watching games that are back-and-forth, but this was so silly that it was great.

Great writeup and analysis DoctorHelvetica.
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
March 06 2009 01:42 GMT
#22
Reading Kwark's analysis on game 5 lets me wondering (even more) why didn't Bisu put more probes at the ramp. He scouted Jaedong's build, he knew a ling attack was coming, he had twice the workers Jaedong had, he could've put 3 probes in there and still be at advantage. Maybe he just got a bit too greedy.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 01:53:30
March 06 2009 01:53 GMT
#23
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

[image loading]



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should be in OP imo
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Flamboyant
Profile Joined January 2009
United States57 Posts
March 06 2009 02:20 GMT
#24
Karma bit Bisu in the ass when he ranked Jaedong 5's....dumb Beastsu -_- you would of won if you hadn't been such a cocky BMer.

But it's the arrogance and confidence that attracts so many people like me to watch Beastsu's games!
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
March 06 2009 02:28 GMT
#25
Agree, this write up is great for protoss, but i see only very little love for the swarm. Good job nevertheless and lets all hope for a rematch in osl finals.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 02:34:04
March 06 2009 02:33 GMT
#26
Nice writeup...

always enjoy the analysis too. Thanks kwark

I too am hoping for an epic OSL finals.
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
March 06 2009 02:40 GMT
#27
I wonder if it's possible for players to give eachother negative points? Like, -2 macro: He doesn't build units, he just spontaneously loses them.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
March 06 2009 02:43 GMT
#28
COME ON OSL REMATCH GO GO GO
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
March 06 2009 02:53 GMT
#29
nice read! thanks doc!
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
March 06 2009 02:56 GMT
#30
nice write up
bisu fanboy
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 06 2009 02:56 GMT
#31
On March 06 2009 11:40 Zozma wrote:
I wonder if it's possible for players to give eachother negative points? Like, -2 macro: He doesn't build units, he just spontaneously loses them.

Rock would have -2 macro.
Jaedong
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17742 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 03:17:26
March 06 2009 03:13 GMT
#32
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

[image loading]

rofl

I have no idea why bisu would give jaedong such a low defense and macro
Jaedong's the only zerg i know who blocks bisu's harass really well. And pretty much every game i see of jaedong's zvp he just rolls over his opponents with hydra.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
March 06 2009 03:37 GMT
#33
thanks alot for this... One minor complaint tho, it seems to me kwark's analysis is a bit too focused on bisu, what he did wrong and what he did right. And much less on what jaedong did and didn't do.
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
March 06 2009 03:39 GMT
#34
On March 06 2009 10:53 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

[image loading]



[image loading]


should be in OP imo


ROLF
KT_FlaSh #1
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
March 06 2009 03:41 GMT
#35
On March 06 2009 12:37 nttea wrote:
thanks alot for this... One minor complaint tho, it seems to me kwark's analysis is a bit too focused on bisu, what he did wrong and what he did right. And much less on what jaedong did and didn't do.

It was analysis purely on Bisu, was meant to be that way although I agree it does make it lopsided. Basically I offered to look at the Protoss strategy stuff because I had no MSL duties that week but it was an unplanned spur of the moment thing there was no zerg counterpart.
Sorry about the Protoss bias, hopefully you can appreciate it anyway.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 06 2009 03:42 GMT
#36
For everyone criticizing Kwark's analysis he is a PROTOSS PLAYER. He is meant to analyze mostly the protoss portion.

Usually zulu_nation gives zerg related analysis, but Kwark did this just for fun. So just appreciate the toss insight.

RIP Aaliyah
OnlyChobo
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada126 Posts
March 06 2009 04:10 GMT
#37
can anyone tell me what all the other stats meant thanks
erGo)ProXy
Profile Joined February 2009
United States19 Posts
March 06 2009 04:35 GMT
#38
I was so stoked with JaeDong won, I was even on the edge of my seat in game 5 = /
I <3 JaeDong
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 06 2009 04:52 GMT
#39
Stats are Offense, Defense, Macro, Unit Management, Mirco, and Star Quality.
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
March 06 2009 05:58 GMT
#40
On March 06 2009 09:52 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Fuck yeah, great writeup, OSL finals rematch gogogo!

Game 5 was okay purely because of Tasteless's "IT'S CALLED HOLD POSITION, BRO" that had me waking my parents up at 3am


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