• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:13
CEST 00:13
KST 07:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0
Community News
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)58Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition245.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 154
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! 5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game Whose hotkey signature is this? Recent recommended BW games ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Current Meta TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art Proposed Glossary of Strategic Uncertainty 9 hatch vs 10 hatch vs 12 hatch
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop the Construction YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
How "Not Like Us" ripped of…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2425 users

[GOM] Duel of Fantasies - Page 2

Forum Index > News
60 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
March 06 2009 01:40 GMT
#21
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

that's my pic :3

I loved the first 4 games of the series. It was so weird how they were able to completely dominate each other in each of those games. I do like watching games that are back-and-forth, but this was so silly that it was great.

Great writeup and analysis DoctorHelvetica.
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
March 06 2009 01:42 GMT
#22
Reading Kwark's analysis on game 5 lets me wondering (even more) why didn't Bisu put more probes at the ramp. He scouted Jaedong's build, he knew a ling attack was coming, he had twice the workers Jaedong had, he could've put 3 probes in there and still be at advantage. Maybe he just got a bit too greedy.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 01:53:30
March 06 2009 01:53 GMT
#23
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

[image loading]



[image loading]


should be in OP imo
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Flamboyant
Profile Joined January 2009
United States57 Posts
March 06 2009 02:20 GMT
#24
Karma bit Bisu in the ass when he ranked Jaedong 5's....dumb Beastsu -_- you would of won if you hadn't been such a cocky BMer.

But it's the arrogance and confidence that attracts so many people like me to watch Beastsu's games!
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
March 06 2009 02:28 GMT
#25
Agree, this write up is great for protoss, but i see only very little love for the swarm. Good job nevertheless and lets all hope for a rematch in osl finals.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 02:34:04
March 06 2009 02:33 GMT
#26
Nice writeup...

always enjoy the analysis too. Thanks kwark

I too am hoping for an epic OSL finals.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
March 06 2009 02:40 GMT
#27
I wonder if it's possible for players to give eachother negative points? Like, -2 macro: He doesn't build units, he just spontaneously loses them.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
March 06 2009 02:43 GMT
#28
COME ON OSL REMATCH GO GO GO
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
March 06 2009 02:53 GMT
#29
nice read! thanks doc!
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
March 06 2009 02:56 GMT
#30
nice write up
bisu fanboy
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8553 Posts
March 06 2009 02:56 GMT
#31
On March 06 2009 11:40 Zozma wrote:
I wonder if it's possible for players to give eachother negative points? Like, -2 macro: He doesn't build units, he just spontaneously loses them.

Rock would have -2 macro.
Jaedong
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17730 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 03:17:26
March 06 2009 03:13 GMT
#32
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

[image loading]

rofl

I have no idea why bisu would give jaedong such a low defense and macro
Jaedong's the only zerg i know who blocks bisu's harass really well. And pretty much every game i see of jaedong's zvp he just rolls over his opponents with hydra.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
March 06 2009 03:37 GMT
#33
thanks alot for this... One minor complaint tho, it seems to me kwark's analysis is a bit too focused on bisu, what he did wrong and what he did right. And much less on what jaedong did and didn't do.
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
March 06 2009 03:39 GMT
#34
On March 06 2009 10:53 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2009 10:18 TheTyranid wrote:
That other chart is total bs. Here's the real chart.

[image loading]



[image loading]


should be in OP imo


ROLF
KT_FlaSh #1
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43117 Posts
March 06 2009 03:41 GMT
#35
On March 06 2009 12:37 nttea wrote:
thanks alot for this... One minor complaint tho, it seems to me kwark's analysis is a bit too focused on bisu, what he did wrong and what he did right. And much less on what jaedong did and didn't do.

It was analysis purely on Bisu, was meant to be that way although I agree it does make it lopsided. Basically I offered to look at the Protoss strategy stuff because I had no MSL duties that week but it was an unplanned spur of the moment thing there was no zerg counterpart.
Sorry about the Protoss bias, hopefully you can appreciate it anyway.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 06 2009 03:42 GMT
#36
For everyone criticizing Kwark's analysis he is a PROTOSS PLAYER. He is meant to analyze mostly the protoss portion.

Usually zulu_nation gives zerg related analysis, but Kwark did this just for fun. So just appreciate the toss insight.

RIP Aaliyah
OnlyChobo
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada126 Posts
March 06 2009 04:10 GMT
#37
can anyone tell me what all the other stats meant thanks
erGo)ProXy
Profile Joined February 2009
United States19 Posts
March 06 2009 04:35 GMT
#38
I was so stoked with JaeDong won, I was even on the edge of my seat in game 5 = /
I <3 JaeDong
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 06 2009 04:52 GMT
#39
Stats are Offense, Defense, Macro, Unit Management, Mirco, and Star Quality.
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
March 06 2009 05:58 GMT
#40
On March 06 2009 09:52 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Fuck yeah, great writeup, OSL finals rematch gogogo!

Game 5 was okay purely because of Tasteless's "IT'S CALLED HOLD POSITION, BRO" that had me waking my parents up at 3am


[image loading]
Writerman what
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft326
StarCraft: Brood War
Backho 56
ZZZero.O 45
League of Legends
JimRising 878
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K419
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu410
Other Games
Grubby3574
summit1g2869
FrodaN2844
fl0m1669
ceh9283
KnowMe273
mouzStarbuck157
Skadoodle149
C9.Mang0146
UpATreeSC66
ZombieGrub63
PPMD29
JuggernautJason13
Trikslyr12
fpsfer 2
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV135
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 56
• RyuSc2 56
• StrangeGG 48
• davetesta48
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV673
League of Legends
• Doublelift3113
Other Games
• imaqtpie1283
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
4h 48m
CranKy Ducklings
11h 48m
Map Test Tournament
12h 48m
OSC
16h 48m
[BSL 2025] Weekly
19h 48m
Safe House 2
19h 48m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
Map Test Tournament
1d 12h
OSC
1d 13h
IPSL
1d 20h
Bonyth vs Art_Of_Turtle
Razz vs rasowy
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Barracks vs Snow
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Bisu
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
WardiTV TLMC #15
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.