Anyone who has actually watched BackHo vods (rather than just go 0-3 stats :o he sucks) will know that he has perfect micro and multitasking that'd make Bisu jealous. His weakness has always been choosing strategies which are not only stupid given the units his opponent is using but also strategies which not even relevent to the matchup he is playing. Combined with that is a stubborn refusal to adapt to his opponents, instead deciding upon a unit combination and sticking to it with a bloody minded detirmination that'd make Field Marshall Haig proud. This is why we saw him take the upper hand against GGPlay with zeechon against mutaling but then continue to use zeechon, despite GGPlay switching to hydraling. However if given a good build, for example against Jaedong, he will execute it flawlessly and take the win. And if forced by Casy to engage in micro wars then he will absolutely destroy the bunker rush in a display of micro that leaves you questioning exactly why Casy is reputed as a marine micro master.
In short Mani, you have missed what BackHo is about. Yes, he is awful. However I am not surprised that, when he does a build which is actually intended for PvZ and useful for the situation, he can destroy Jaedong. He is a very skilled player (albeit dependent on luck for which build he decides to use) and you underestimate him at the risk of your liquibet points.

Manifesto7

Osaka27151 Posts

April 17 2008 22:11 GMT

#23

So... I called him a lousy player, you called him a lousy player, and somehow I missed something? The bunker rush from Casy was over before it started, I could have fended it off. He showed little game sense in the one game that was still competitive after 5 minutes. I don't care how good his micro is, zealot vs muta will never work.

I obviously watched BackHo VODs, and I came to the conclusion that he is not a special player. Last night did nothing to change my mind.

KwarK

United States42915 Posts

April 17 2008 22:42 GMT

#24

I said he's awful because he does stupid strategies which nobody, no matter how good, could pull off. However it's a testament to how good he is that for a while when he does them you think that maybe he might actually win with it. I can't defend his game sense, he has none.
I must contest your conclusion that he is nothing special. He is unique in the same way that Boxer is. Boxer does innovative strategies that shouldn't work and somehow makes everything click. BackHo does bad strategies that simply do not work, combines them with insane multitasking, pushes his opponent to the brink and then implodes in a pile of 'epic fail'. While this hasn't proven effective he is definitely something special.

Last night he played two games in which he didn't attempt a ridiculous strategy, the first was a perfectly executed rush against Jaedong. Sure, it was a rush build but there was absolutely nothing improvable about the way he used it. And that puts his record when using real build orders at a comfortable 1-0 which given it was against Jaedong isn't bad. The game against Casy wasn't long enough for him to hang himself with a display of awful strategy. Casy pushed him into a micro war and was just utterly outclassed. Admittedly he did scout Casy's bunker rush but even so, 3 zealots, a dragoon and some probes just wiped out those scvs and marines with no effort. I really believe that in a game where BackHo uses a real strategy there are very few players who could beat him.

War_Minister

Canada86 Posts

April 18 2008 00:02 GMT

#25

Mmmh, that's an interesting analysis, Kwark...

I feel like watching his games again. I also felt something was wrong about his play despite his wins but I didn't fully grasp it. Maybe your explanation is right.

MaZza[KIS]

Australia2110 Posts

April 18 2008 00:41 GMT

#26

This sucks... unfortunatelly, that's starcraft! BackHo will probably fade away and never ever make it into another starleague again...

meanwhile, JD and Casy can either grow from this experience, or perish.... Having Nada in his team should help Casy.

Durak

Canada3684 Posts

April 18 2008 01:43 GMT

#27

On April 18 2008 09:41 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
This sucks... unfortunatelly, that's starcraft! BackHo will probably fade away and never ever make it into another starleague again...

meanwhile, JD and Casy can either grow from this experience, or perish.... Having Nada in his team should help Casy.

I sure hope JD does. That must have been really frustrating for him. He probably should have scouted earlier vs. BackHo but everyone gets cheesed sometimes. Trick is not to get too upset over it.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

April 18 2008 01:43 GMT

#28

If BackHo has such good micro and macro, how do you explain his mediocre 1-3 PvP stats? I remember watching his game vs Much. Despite securing a decent early macro advantage in his favor, he ended up getting RAPED in a huge battle (with ~20 supply lead) and Much easily took the win.

Xenocide_Knight

Korea (South)2625 Posts

April 18 2008 02:00 GMT

#29

oh dear..
Legend Killer just got his name reversed on him

oh well
all the more chance for savior to take it...

InfeSteD

United States4658 Posts

April 18 2008 02:20 GMT

#30

wow jD got owned

I see alot of comments about bakcho.. i dont think i payed that much attention to his games so I will go re watch again..

Umbrella

Taiwan936 Posts

April 18 2008 02:53 GMT

#31

Who is Um Jae-kyung? =$

pindleskin

New Zealand199 Posts

April 18 2008 03:05 GMT

#32

the caster on the right

._.

1133 Posts

April 18 2008 03:10 GMT

#33

On April 18 2008 07:42 Kwark wrote:
I said he's awful because he does stupid strategies which nobody, no matter how good, could pull off. However it's a testament to how good he is that for a while when he does them you think that maybe he might actually win with it. I can't defend his game sense, he has none.
I must contest your conclusion that he is nothing special. He is unique in the same way that Boxer is. Boxer does innovative strategies that shouldn't work and somehow makes everything click. BackHo does bad strategies that simply do not work, combines them with insane multitasking, pushes his opponent to the brink and then implodes in a pile of 'epic fail'. While this hasn't proven effective he is definitely something special.

Last night he played two games in which he didn't attempt a ridiculous strategy, the first was a perfectly executed rush against Jaedong. Sure, it was a rush build but there was absolutely nothing improvable about the way he used it. And that puts his record when using real build orders at a comfortable 1-0 which given it was against Jaedong isn't bad. The game against Casy wasn't long enough for him to hang himself with a display of awful strategy. Casy pushed him into a micro war and was just utterly outclassed. Admittedly he did scout Casy's bunker rush but even so, 3 zealots, a dragoon and some probes just wiped out those scvs and marines with no effort. I really believe that in a game where BackHo uses a real strategy there are very few players who could beat him.

Near same builds vs the same player:

Bisu

Backho

Backho has decent mechanics..but lets not forget he lost to CUTEANGEL on KATRINA on A HUGE advantage. Seriously..and lets not forget this genius move:

Backho is a Nal_rock reincarnate. This is a cruel joke from the bw gods, once Nal_rock is ousted another one steps in to eliminate our favorites and do jack shit at the ro32.