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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
March 15 2007 06:18 GMT
#1
http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=17117

This is pretty insane, let me start from the bottom of the league.

MSL Preliminary Round
- There will 3 brackets, each bracket with 8 groups, and each group with 8 (or 9) players.
- The winner from each group will advance to the MBC Survivor League. This means 24 players will advance, and the 8 players who were seeded in last season's Survivor league will combine with the 24 players, and will all play a 32 man Survivor League.

Survivor League
- The Survivor league will be divided into 8 groups of 4 and play Dual-Tournament style. Thus, 16 players will advance to the next MSL.

MBCGame Starleague
- But wait, doesn't the next MSL already have 16 players ready? Well yes, that's why the already qualified 16 players and the newly qualified 16 players will combine into one massive MSL.
- MSL will start off as Round of 32, with 8 groups of 4, playing the dual-tournament style again.
- From round of 16, it will be Single-Elimination, much like OSL.


Note: OSL is said to be shrunk back to 16 players... but this has yet to be confirmed completely. But I'm pretty sure it is.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-15 06:22:08
March 15 2007 06:19 GMT
#2
WHOA. reverse of size! now MSL is big tournament and OSL is little one again. But I still think OSL will do a better job of packaging, as they have in the past.

I mean, sAviOr and Bisu had lame entries into MSL.

Alright so I have one question:

will there be 8 seeds per MSL? and then the other 24 spots will be filled through another format of survivor? How will the NEXT MSL work after this upcoming one?
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
March 15 2007 06:41 GMT
#3
On March 15 2007 15:19 Last Romantic wrote:
WHOA. reverse of size! now MSL is big tournament and OSL is little one again. But I still think OSL will do a better job of packaging, as they have in the past.

I mean, sAviOr and Bisu had lame entries into MSL.

Alright so I have one question:

will there be 8 seeds per MSL? and then the other 24 spots will be filled through another format of survivor? How will the NEXT MSL work after this upcoming one?


uh... not sure.
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Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
March 15 2007 06:42 GMT
#4
o.o 32 Moreee games. keke
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 15 2007 06:47 GMT
#5
Hmm, well MSL basically guarentees more games from the marquee names (hopefully) by diluting the field to 32.

I was acutally pondering the possibilities of OSL going to this, but MSL took action. I'm going to miss the days of the unfollowable Survivor League though.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 15 2007 06:56 GMT
#6
What will be the maps?
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
March 15 2007 06:57 GMT
#7
yay for more games 8D
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
March 15 2007 09:26 GMT
#8
more Reach and YellOw is thx, but this system still confuses me.
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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
March 15 2007 09:41 GMT
#9
Yea More Games always fine by me
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Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
March 15 2007 09:45 GMT
#10
hawt
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pOOwarrior-
Profile Joined January 2007
United States518 Posts
March 15 2007 10:03 GMT
#11
wow, now that the OSL has finally normalized (IMO, the 24-player format removed a lot of the significance of the 3rd/4th place match), the MSL got weird again.

Oh well. I guess we'll see how this new system will turn out. At least there are no overly forgiving wildcard rounds like the OSL had; we can get right into high-stakes series between 16 (hopefully awesome) players.
SainT
Profile Joined February 2005
Chile1067 Posts
March 15 2007 10:08 GMT
#12
Yea... Guess it's ok if we got more games right ?
Well i'm a lucky man...
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
March 15 2007 10:17 GMT
#13
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
March 15 2007 10:34 GMT
#14
Holy balls that a huge tournament. I don't know, I wasn't much of a fan of the supersized OSL format, and it wasn't even that big.

Who knows, maybe this will turn out better.

In any case, I'm glad one is big and one is small. Everyone is satisfied.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
March 15 2007 10:44 GMT
#15
On March 15 2007 19:34 ManaBlue wrote:
Holy balls that a huge tournament. I don't know, I wasn't much of a fan of the supersized OSL format, and it wasn't even that big.

Who knows, maybe this will turn out better.

In any case, I'm glad one is big and one is small. Everyone is satisfied.


The middleman is however completely unsatisfied ^_^

Anyhoo, I'm actually surprised as hell at 32 people ... maybe this time the OSL will have more than 1 Protoss player T_T
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AC3
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada337 Posts
March 15 2007 11:02 GMT
#16
More games is fine by me, but i wonder what the programmers think of it.
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.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
March 15 2007 11:03 GMT
#17
Wootwoot, 32 gosu's instead of 16! Then again most of the players will be pushovers for others.. so.. Ok, question, does this mean a much longer season > only 1 msl?
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TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
March 15 2007 11:04 GMT
#18
cool more game more savior more bisu more zvp
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
March 15 2007 11:31 GMT
#19
It's gonna be massive o.O. I prefer OSL to be the bigger and MSL the smaller, OGN handles big leagues better. :-/
Does this have anything to do with the broadcasting controversy?
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 15 2007 11:46 GMT
#20
fantastic noodle.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
March 15 2007 12:43 GMT
#21
Expanding to 32 IS pretty crazy, but atleast they got rid of their really weird format (group stages = dual league style, quarters = dual league style)

There's gonna be more to follow, but it'll be easier to follow. Maybe the old system was more fair, but unless you're really into it, it was harder to follow
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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
March 15 2007 13:30 GMT
#22
i think there's actually fewer games in this as there were for the 24 player OSL... i think i suggested going up to 32 players before.

ro24 OSL: 6 groups of 4, round robin = 6 games, * 6 groups = 36 games
wildcards: 6 3rd places players = 6 games? total 42.

this is assuming no tiebreakers, which would push up the game count even more.

ro32 MSL: 8 groups of 4, 5 games per group (2 initial games, winners bracket, losers bracket, final) = 40 games

then both formats are down to 16 players.

so we get more players, games that count for more, and still a manageable number of games.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27158 Posts
March 15 2007 13:44 GMT
#23
I am fine with this, because the two best from each group will carry on, rather than the lame duck 3rd place finishers who did in the OSL.
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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
March 15 2007 14:57 GMT
#24
On March 15 2007 22:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
I am fine with this, because the two best from each group will carry on, rather than the lame duck 3rd place finishers who did in the OSL.


I totally agree. That lame duck process made OSL SOOOOOO complicating.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 15 2007 16:30 GMT
#25
it sucks for the uploaders
Terran & Potato Salad.
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
March 15 2007 16:54 GMT
#26
Sounds good. A lot of new players will get their chance to shine on TV, but the format is still simple.
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Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
March 15 2007 18:01 GMT
#27
uhmmmm ... they just found out 16 man format works way better and they wanna make a final league with 32 man?!?! This is completely WEIRD!

Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 15 2007 18:40 GMT
#28
On March 15 2007 22:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
I am fine with this, because the two best from each group will carry on, rather than the lame duck 3rd place finishers who did in the OSL.


And then went straight to the finals?

Anyway, nice thing IMHO, but we'll see how it fares and what the schedules will be like in the future...

-Mynock
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
March 15 2007 19:53 GMT
#29
the more the merrier
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
March 15 2007 20:47 GMT
#30
On March 16 2007 03:40 Mynock wrote:
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On March 15 2007 22:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
I am fine with this, because the two best from each group will carry on, rather than the lame duck 3rd place finishers who did in the OSL.


And then went straight to the finals?

Anyway, nice thing IMHO, but we'll see how it fares and what the schedules will be like in the future...

-Mynock


Well, it happened twice that a player who should have been eliminated with the old system got to the final, Nada and Casy. Which is good for them, but eventually the groups lost their meaning because of this. Group stage is supposed to eliminate people, not to let them train.

I hope this 32 men league remain simple, it might be hard to follow. But it's a nice thing, we'll get to see lots of faces, different styles, that should be good.
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
March 15 2007 21:23 GMT
#31
I have pretty mixed feelings about that.
Following progaming will take even more time now. It will also increase VOD up-/downloading traffic.
Same with coverage. Not that this was of any concern for me, but it has to be considered.
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
Red_Dragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Croatia2862 Posts
March 16 2007 00:52 GMT
#32
I am glad to see leagues expanding However it will be pain in the ass to cover it.
Climbing walls of an endless circle
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
March 16 2007 07:02 GMT
#33
True but at least familiar names will be more familiar.
If the tourney is a top 32 instead of top 16, we can still see faces like Reach and Kingdom more easily and maybe even Zeus.

Yellow can also lose around 32 too, etc.
In short, having more players also means more familiarity in a way... and in a way a lot more no namers too...
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Asakura
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Germany471 Posts
March 16 2007 23:45 GMT
#34
more games more fun more vods! =)
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
March 18 2007 14:55 GMT
#35
more games to watch= good

:D
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
March 22 2007 13:14 GMT
#36
On March 16 2007 16:02 SuperJongMan wrote:
True but at least familiar names will be more familiar.
If the tourney is a top 32 instead of top 16, we can still see faces like Reach and Kingdom more easily and maybe even Zeus.

Yellow can also lose around 32 too, etc.
In short, having more players also means more familiarity in a way... and in a way a lot more no namers too...


YellOw can also WIN THE WHOLE FUCKING THING

actually no he needs to win the OSL now. He won... gametv something something free challenger starleague yes?
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
March 23 2007 00:43 GMT
#37
no he cant, he sucks
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
March 29 2007 00:28 GMT
#38
I've MSL gets bigger and OSL shrinks then there be about the same number of games, no ? I didn't bother to count cuz the OSL prelims are so fucking hard to undrestand. :D
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