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joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
January 01 2007 10:29 GMT
#41
so many upsets=/
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
January 02 2007 00:44 GMT
#42
Hey, I have a suggestion.
More pics....
of yourself.....

wait no, I already masturbate enough as it is
Trucy Wright is hot
useLess[ies]
Profile Joined December 2006
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-02 09:32:27
January 02 2007 08:55 GMT
#43
On December 31 2006 01:48 ArC_man wrote:
I didn't think savior played perfectly, chojja just made a horrible mistake early on. He gained an advantage when he made savior cancel his hat and got into savior's base w/ lings. What he should've done at that point was harass savior in his base and make savior pull off drones for a bit w/out losing any of his lings, and then retreat up the ramp w/ his reinforcements and hold the ramp while waiting for his spire to finish. If he did that, his huge tech advantage would've won him the game. Instead of doing that, he wasted his early lings and had a ling disadvantage and savior was easily able to break out.


Once chojja got into savior's base with his 6 lings, savior already had 6 lings come out 1 second after. chojja wouldn't have been able to harass savior and his sick micro at all. Then chojja did bring reinforcements to the top of the ramp but savior used his 8 lings to kill off chojja's 6 while losing only 3 himself because of great micro again on the ramp. chojja could have played it better but the reason neither of your suggestions for chojja worked is because of savior's micro control.

chojja maybe could have won if he microed his lings better and didn't let savior get a ling advantage, which is what you said, but I think savior deserves a lot of credit for why that didn't happen. Plus even if savior's lings didn't break out and harass chojja's base, savior still had a decent shot because of his economic (more workers) lead and his slightly faster second hatch compared to chojja's tech lead. Also, savior's muta/scourge micro is much better than chojja's, chojja's early tech allowed him to get more scourges out than savior but savior's great muta micro killed almost all of them.
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
January 02 2007 10:11 GMT
#44
Thanks for the reports manablue
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ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
January 04 2007 05:47 GMT
#45
On January 02 2007 17:55 useLess[ies] wrote:
Once chojja got into savior's base with his 6 lings, savior already had 6 lings come out 1 second after. chojja wouldn't have been able to harass savior and his sick micro at all. Then chojja did bring reinforcements to the top of the ramp but savior used his 8 lings to kill off chojja's 6 while losing only 3 himself because of great micro again on the ramp. chojja could have played it better but the reason neither of your suggestions for chojja worked is because of savior's micro control.

chojja maybe could have won if he microed his lings better and didn't let savior get a ling advantage, which is what you said, but I think savior deserves a lot of credit for why that didn't happen. Plus even if savior's lings didn't break out and harass chojja's base, savior still had a decent shot because of his economic (more workers) lead and his slightly faster second hatch compared to chojja's tech lead. Also, savior's muta/scourge micro is much better than chojja's, chojja's early tech allowed him to get more scourges out than savior but savior's great muta micro killed almost all of them.

It doesn't matter that Savior had 6 lings already when Chojja got into his base, it's still very hard to chase and catch other lings in zvz when they're controlled properly (especially if they're the same speed). Just the fact that there are lings in your base forces you to chase them around and waste time, they don't have to be attacking your drones or tech. If Chojja controlled them properly, it would've been very tough for Savior to kill them. Instead of running his lings around, Chojja went straight for Savior's drones and stupidly got his lings trapped and surrounded by Savior's drones and lings. Savior was already behind tech wise, he had a much slower gas and he spent his first 100 on ling speed. If Chojja held the ramp properly (he should've had most of his initial 6 lings alive and reinforcement 6 lings to make ~11-12 total), he wouldn't have been forced to make a sunk and his first 3 mutas would've won him the game or at least put him into a greatly advantageous position.
useLess[ies]
Profile Joined December 2006
11 Posts
January 05 2007 11:01 GMT
#46
On January 04 2007 14:47 ArC_man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2007 17:55 useLess[ies] wrote:
Once chojja got into savior's base with his 6 lings, savior already had 6 lings come out 1 second after. chojja wouldn't have been able to harass savior and his sick micro at all. Then chojja did bring reinforcements to the top of the ramp but savior used his 8 lings to kill off chojja's 6 while losing only 3 himself because of great micro again on the ramp. chojja could have played it better but the reason neither of your suggestions for chojja worked is because of savior's micro control.

chojja maybe could have won if he microed his lings better and didn't let savior get a ling advantage, which is what you said, but I think savior deserves a lot of credit for why that didn't happen. Plus even if savior's lings didn't break out and harass chojja's base, savior still had a decent shot because of his economic (more workers) lead and his slightly faster second hatch compared to chojja's tech lead. Also, savior's muta/scourge micro is much better than chojja's, chojja's early tech allowed him to get more scourges out than savior but savior's great muta micro killed almost all of them.

It doesn't matter that Savior had 6 lings already when Chojja got into his base, it's still very hard to chase and catch other lings in zvz when they're controlled properly (especially if they're the same speed). Just the fact that there are lings in your base forces you to chase them around and waste time, they don't have to be attacking your drones or tech. If Chojja controlled them properly, it would've been very tough for Savior to kill them. Instead of running his lings around, Chojja went straight for Savior's drones and stupidly got his lings trapped and surrounded by Savior's drones and lings. Savior was already behind tech wise, he had a much slower gas and he spent his first 100 on ling speed. If Chojja held the ramp properly (he should've had most of his initial 6 lings alive and reinforcement 6 lings to make ~11-12 total), he wouldn't have been forced to make a sunk and his first 3 mutas would've won him the game or at least put him into a greatly advantageous position.


I see that you are probably right about chojja being able to win or at least be in a greatly advantageous position. So I will say this, if savior had done chojja's build and vice versa, I guarantee savior would have easily won the game doing the things you recommend chojja had done. It was a risky build for chojja and I think he lost because he was so intimidated and scared of savior, at least that's the impression I got. It seemed like chojja knew he was going to lose before the game even started so when he actually gained an advantage with his build, he made a lot of mistakes playing scared.
Overlord
Profile Joined May 2003
Romania651 Posts
January 06 2007 12:51 GMT
#47
Nice report, I like the strategic analysis parts.
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