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Osaka27151 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-03 07:46:36
November 02 2006 22:16 GMT
#1
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This week has been a real treat for all progaming fans as both the MSL and OSL have treated us with some dynamite semi-final action. It is debatable, but perhaps the most anticipated match happened Thursday evening as Savior and Nal_rA faced off in a best-of-5 rematch of last season’s finals. Here is a preview of the matches written by our own Honestea:

Savior vs Nal_Ra:
Matchup History: Savior 4 : 3 Nal_Ra
Savior ZvP: 45-19, 70.3%
Nal_Ra PvZ: 84-60, 58.3%
This matchup also pits two players who once shared a roof. Back in the G.O. days, Nal_Ra was the superstar of the team when Savior joined on as a practice partner. By the time Savior became a full-fledged progamer, Nal_Ra had moved to KTF. How times change. Savior is now the single most dominant force in progaming, something remarkable as a zerg. After a long slump, Nal_Ra has returned to his dreamy winning ways, performing well in both recent OSLs and MSLs. In fact, he reached the finals of the last MSL (Pringles season 1) only to be stopped by... Savior. In this rematch of last season's final, Nal_Ra will try once again to beat Savior and his 70% ZvP winning percentage. He will have to find an answer to Savior's superb management and smooth-as-silk play. Nal_Ra will need to reach deep within his dreams and find something special to defeat the current champion. But if we've learned anything throughout the years, it's this: no progamer does 'special' better than Nal_Ra. With the maps more balanced than the last time they met, the Dream Toss has a chance to unseat the Maestro from his throne.


Here is how the most knowledgeable progaming fans on earth bet on the matches:

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Game 1: Peaks of Baekdu

On the windy peaks of Baekdu this epic clash of stars, truly the leaders of their respective races, began as it always does; with four workers and a building. From these humble beginnings, greatness emerges, and THIS, my friends, THIS was a thing of greatness.

It all started so simply. Up north rA started some one base tech as Savior pooled but quickly followed with a hatchery expansion. As a corsair observed the three hatchery build below, it deftly dodged about, clearing away an overlord or two and carving a path for the first dt. Savior put on the pressure quick with hydralisks but was unable to inflict much damage. As a high tech rA took his expo, Savior grabbed the corner and pushed to lair.

With zerg expansions protected by lurkers and sunkens, rA found himself with a formidable land army but not a whole lot of targets. Savior waited patiently until he had formed a large number of lurkers and then used that force to take position in the center of the map. With lurkers blocking many of the well worn paths, rA was pushed back north towards his natural. As both players massed, the mini-map divided in half as expansions were claimed. Savior invested heavily in hatcheries, extending his creep and spinning his macro to dizzying heights. Facing a nightmare scenario, rA dropped two additional robotics facilities and massed reavers to go with his “everything else” army and clear out that messy middle.

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Why do all of Savior’s ZvP look like this?



The action picked up rapidly once the zerg hive tech came into play. Using his signature guardians, Savior wrecked 2 o’clock with an aerial bombardment and ling/defiler drop. He continued his offensive with another cloud drop in the protoss main. However, reavers and archons combined to deliver a massive counter attack, reclaiming the middle and flipping expansions down the right side of the map. Deftly dodging scourges, rA used a double payload of reavers to even the score and kill Savior’s most plentiful resource holds.

With the initial minerals long gone, both players clashed repeatedly in the middle of the map with their high tech forces. rA faired very well in these encounters, dealing with flanks and avoiding plague. With a growing reaver/archon army, he swept up from the bottom towards the zerg natural. It was obvious by this late point in the game that Savior was running out of steam. He had been reduced to a single expansion, and no longer had the firepower to mount an offensive. He tried to push with his remaining defilers, but rA was simply content to sit and mine up the rest of the resources.

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Once rA built reavers, the blood began to flow in torrents…



Starving, Savior decided he could not take on the protoss army in direct battle. As rA attacked his main base, he dodged his army to the north and the elimination race was on! Archons splattered the zerg main, headed to 7, and then crossed the map towards the last bastion at 2. Meanwhile, a group of ultras were smashing their way through cannons and other protoss buildings at a crazy rate. With the game coming down to the wire, rA pulled the ace from his sleeve as he unloaded a couple probes from his shuttle and built some strategic pylons hidden in the map. Knowing he was safe from elimination, he took out the remaining zerg buildings to end a crazy game one.

rA 1:0 Savior

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It isn’t too often that a mini-map looks like this at end-game…



This was an epic game that showcased the great style of both players. If the series contained five games like this, these players would be shells by the end. This was about as close as pro games ever get, and this is what it takes to beat Savior PvZ.


Game 2: Longinus

After an epic first game that pushed both players to the max, the road still stretched out far in front of them. The dreamer toss had hit with his first salvo, but if that was the kind of game necessary to beat Savior, was it possible to do it three times? Game 2 was going to speak volumes in that regard, on a map that, at 6-3 PvZ, has a much more severe tilt in the balance.

However, none of these thoughts were going through rA’s mind as he opened at 11, placing his first pylon at his natural. He scouted Savior straight off, and seeing the hatchery first build felt confident to fast expand himself. He was mining gas far before his first gateway, and showed some amazing probe micro in preventing a second expo chance by savior over at 3. However, the Maestro got his expo, and dropped both a den and spire in front of the protoss scout, daring him to guess at the tech.

With both players building up their economies, rA focused on developing a fast, high powered ground army while scouting with dt’s. Savior harassed with mutalisks, slowing the second protoss expo while also protecting his own new mineral patches with lurker/sunken. His defense was weak over at three o’clock, which allowed rA to get in and destroy the defenses and drones. Savior still tried to pin him to his base with mutalisk harass but made sure to pull back in order to morph his guardians.

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Making a tough choice, rA sends his army into the maw…



As Savior’s hive tech swung into force, rA knew he had to make a move or risk fighting a 5 base ultra/ling army. His decision was between attacking Savior’s main choke, or continuing to hit 3 o’clock which had far more minerals but far less drones. He chose to attack the main, and watched his army evaporate against a wall of sunkens and lurkers. The guardians swept overhead, smashed the remainder of his army, and then headed north to force the GG.

Nal_rA 1:1 Savior

Game 3: Blitz

After taking the momentum away from the KTF star, Savior took over the right spawn point of Blitz and started production. rA again expanded quickly, while Savior did the same. As rA built up infrastructure in his base for another land based army, he again showed great skill in delaying Savior from taking a second expansion. However, a few minutes in, the game rang very familiar with the previous one.

As Savior skipped mutalisks this round, he focused on producing mass lurkers, which allowed him to expand all across the upper platform looking over rA’s expansion. Leaving the bottom of the map for protoss building, Savior focused on spreading his creep in the north, and forcing rA to walk his large land army around the bottom of the map, a very slow and laborious process on Blitz.

rA focused on massing temps and zeals, but fond it very difficult to find a place ot attack. The main ramp into the middle was a nightmare of sunks and lurkers, while the other small ramps were only accessible one at a time. Try as he might, his army could gain no purchase on the plateau. In the south however, he was free to expand and did so readily.

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I told you… they ALL look like this…



As always, Savior was very patient, waiting for his moment to strike. He again made good use of guardians, and under their protection, he mass dropped the protoss main with cracklings, reducing much of it to rubble. While rA was able to avoid the knock out blow, his misplaced and depleted army was unable to defend against the follow up attacks that pounded his expansions in the south. In a major counter-offensive, rA finally challenged the massive line of defense on the plateau above his base. In a close battle, his warriors fell as Savior was able to reinforce his line with an extra drop of lurkers.

With his army in tatters, and ultralisks incoming, rA tapped out as the swarm overwhelmed his natural.

Savior 2:1 Nal_rA

Game 4: Arcadia II

To start game 4, rA and Savior were both placed on the right side of the map, with the zerg overlord drifting south. rA fast expanded again, seemingly the only build remaining in PvZ. His nexus quickly followed, however Savior had pooled before his hatchery, causing concern that the protoss build would be run over. The race was on as Savior hatched his lings and two cannons warped in.

Initially, rA seemed to be safe as Savior chased his scout around and did not rush south. He also dropped two hatcheries at his expansions, preparing for mid-game. Perhaps when rA saw this, it explained why one of his two cannons cancelled at the last instant before it finished. However, it is possible that the cancellation was a mistake, because it was instantly replaced. Savior may have double expanded, but he was still using all of his larvae for zerglings. Seeing this, rA dropped a third cannon and a gateway, trying to make a wall. However, with only one completed cannon for defense, Savior swarmed over top of him and in a flash, the game was over.

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The cannon cancel beside the ramp. Mistake or miscalculation…?



Savior 3:1 rA

Truly, this was a very disappointing way for the Dreamer to end his season. After a mind-boggling first game, Savior managed to re-establish his dominance and slowly gained momentum during the next two. While his timing and larvae use was superb in the last game, one cant help but wonder what would have been had the one cannon not cancelled. Pool zerg vs FE protoss…

Tonight's Reccomended VOD is easily game 1. Not becaue it was the only protoss win, but because close games like that illustrate just how close progaming is at the very top.

This sets up a final series that…!!!, is really disappointing :p. ZvZ in a finals isn’t all that great unless ChoJJa wins. However, Savior will have a shot at yet another MSL title, while Silver, who has come really out of nowhere this season, will try to wrest it away from the defending champ.

Don’t worry dreamer, I still believe in you!
Mani
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lil.sis
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
China4650 Posts
November 02 2006 22:25 GMT
#2
nice report. its "fared" btw, not "faired." game one sounds nuts, i'll download it.

keep up the good work
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Asho
Profile Joined February 2006
Netherlands148 Posts
November 02 2006 22:36 GMT
#3
Yeah game one sounds cool, I dont have the time for torrents so could any1 upload it on youtube?
Cheers :D
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KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
November 02 2006 22:53 GMT
#4
wtf >< saviors unstoppable, how does he do it? what's so greatly seperating his skill from other progamers? HOW !?
THE
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MUST
BE
REVEALED...
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
November 02 2006 22:56 GMT
#5
I was not at all disappointed by these games. Last OSL, it was a hot Savior vs. a crappy nal_rA. Savior played great and rA played poorly and got raped in the series. I thought rA played pretty well in this series and forced Savior to really bring out his skills. Game 1 was absolutely stunning. Game 2 was OK. Savior made some good moves and capitalized on a few rA mistakes (lings delayed the expo... how many times?). Game 3 and 4 kinda sucked, but oh well
Trucy Wright is hot
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 02 2006 22:58 GMT
#6
nal_ra seems depleted from game 1. thats all i can say.
Rillanon.au
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
November 02 2006 23:01 GMT
#7
Great reports Mani, I can't wait to watch game 1.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
November 02 2006 23:05 GMT
#8
Cheers to mani's reports. Game one sounds good. Savior plays Longinus really gay...
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neotoss
Profile Joined January 2003
China217 Posts
November 02 2006 23:32 GMT
#9
Great report ! Still believe dreamer. Does he need to fight for 3.rd place ?
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
November 02 2006 23:38 GMT
#10
Awesome gosu report, I have not watched MSL as vigorously as OSL simply because I have less time and I try to follow Terran games more. When XellOs was ousted out of MSL I put more focus on the OSL though I still read the reports and shoutcasts.

Anyhoo, this will be added right away!
Do your best, God will do the rest.
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
November 02 2006 23:41 GMT
#11
OMG I just realized that the games were just played yesterday. HOLY CRAP THAT WAS FAST!
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
November 02 2006 23:48 GMT
#12
damn I really wanted re to win
next time you'll kick his ass...hrhrhr
BlaCha
Profile Joined March 2005
Poland743 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-03 00:18:37
November 03 2006 00:17 GMT
#13
nice report as always, thx
Of course, fucking of course.
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
November 03 2006 00:55 GMT
#14
Savior makes PvZ seem impossible.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
safe[3x]
Profile Joined April 2004
United States50 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-03 01:00:42
November 03 2006 00:59 GMT
#15
On November 03 2006 09:55 muramasa wrote:
Savior makes PvZ seem impossible.


Thats why I love him! hahaha, my god he's so good, game 3 morphing lurkers at ra's main ramp while cracklings tore his main apart...amazing
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
November 03 2006 01:38 GMT
#16
Great reports Mani..............everyone should watch game 1.......absolutely amazing
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TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
November 03 2006 01:42 GMT
#17
savior control is amazing, game 1 ezly move 6 7 group lurk ling vs toss.
i like the way he choose peak 2 times, so confident that he'll win for sure with the other 3 maps
sos bomber stork savior fan ^ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5160596/1/WXZ/achievements/category/4377898
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
November 03 2006 01:43 GMT
#18
Savior the Overmind
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BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1167 Posts
November 03 2006 02:13 GMT
#19
On November 03 2006 09:17 BlaCha wrote:
nice report as always, thx


<333
I'm just heading to watch game No. 1 It seem to be really incredible!!
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pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
November 03 2006 02:36 GMT
#20
Very nice, I was hoping for the dreamer toss to pull it out, but well, I gues you can't have it all.
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rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
November 03 2006 02:42 GMT
#21
Just downloaded and watched the vods.. simply amazing. I love saviOr so very much ^_^~
I love teh shisha.
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
November 03 2006 02:44 GMT
#22
where can find replays? savior beast sad nal_ra
750/750 emotions fully stacked
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-03 07:52:32
November 03 2006 02:54 GMT
#23
There's crashing?
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
November 03 2006 03:17 GMT
#24
On November 03 2006 11:54 davidgurt wrote:
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Why did rA cancel that cannon right after it finished?


-.- this deons't need to be a spoiler because the ARTICLE TALKS ABOUT IT.
akamufu
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)321 Posts
November 03 2006 03:43 GMT
#25
ah that sucks, gg though
Its all fun and games until Boxer loses a marine.
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 03 2006 03:56 GMT
#26
NAL RA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
Adamthegreat
Profile Joined February 2003
Sweden1179 Posts
November 03 2006 04:11 GMT
#27
It struck me that the difference between savior and other really good zergs are not that he is amazingly good at controling masses of units or that he has such enormous macro, (even though he rules at both) but that he plays so much smarter than them.

Just look at game 3, he knows that all he needs to do is to play it basic. Deny scouting, take 2nd and 3rd exp, defend them heavily and then look how the opponents army looks like. Heavy ground --> guardians, good mix --> ultra ling.

He makes pvz look imbalanced and I really feel sorry for Ra who definitly can't play much better than he did in the 3 first games. Game 4 was dissapointing but I guess he basically already lost the series when he didn't take game 2.
-_-v
ic.Ichigo101
Profile Joined July 2006
United States152 Posts
November 03 2006 05:06 GMT
#28
god.... i play toss and ra is my hero, but dunno man... WHY!!!!!!!! im crying right now =/
Vo-
Profile Joined November 2004
United States435 Posts
November 03 2006 05:25 GMT
#29
Sad day for toss.
ZvZ final = lame
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
November 03 2006 05:28 GMT
#30
is it just me or is Savior now the current Modern day OOv?
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
November 03 2006 06:24 GMT
#31
Shit. Whens the last time Nal_rA won? Im always rooting for him, but... :T
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kukuku
Profile Joined May 2006
Malaysia64 Posts
November 03 2006 07:33 GMT
#32
Great report, thanks!!
sigh.... it's sad to see Ra lose...
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 03 2006 07:45 GMT
#33
On November 03 2006 14:28 BrutalMenace wrote:
is it just me or is Savior now the current Modern day OOv?


yeah the zerg version =. =

just .rigged. seemingly unbeatable.
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MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
November 03 2006 08:15 GMT
#34
... Savior grow some balls and do something else than mass sunken camp untill u reach 200/200 -_-;: Again an undeserved victory against the only toss that ever made this matchup look balanced. Gj "Meastro" --;
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 03 2006 08:32 GMT
#35
Awesome reports Mani.

I gotta admit, game one was truely spectacular. Leave it to Ra to show us a game like that.

But the rest of the series was the same old lurk/sunk gay we see every time. Savior is just too good at it. I don't see how he can be beaten in a series on conventional maps.

And yeah, the final is going to be lame too. Too bad it had to end up this way...again.
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The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
November 03 2006 08:35 GMT
#36
On November 03 2006 17:15 MyTHicaL wrote:
... Savior grow some balls and do something else than mass sunken camp untill u reach 200/200 -_-;: Again an undeserved victory against the only toss that ever made this matchup look balanced. Gj "Meastro" --;


This is pro-gaming... you use whatever strategy will get you the win. Besides, it's more than that. Savior has a lot of brains, and his strategies are well thought out. Game 3, for instance... Sure, he turtled, but the fact is that he turtled in a spot I haven't seen many other zergs turtle before. It was the positioning of his expansions that allowed him to win that game.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
November 03 2006 08:41 GMT
#37
still <3 dreamer
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Ido
Profile Joined November 2005
Germany661 Posts
November 03 2006 08:43 GMT
#38
I wanted rA to go rvr/corsair esp. on Blitz to avoid lurker/sunken-style. Imo he had a good start to do this strat.. managed to delay savior expansions and so on. And then.. game 4 was one of rA's typical mistakes, too much risk-taking dont think it was a mistake, i think he wanted to save 150 minerals..
L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
November 03 2006 09:17 GMT
#39
1st game is definitely a keeper. if anything, it shows the amount of energy it takes to topple savior in his current form. i still think nal_ra is one of the few who could take him in a bo5 series, but he'd really have to bring it for that to happen. game 2.. outplayed. game 3 he was a little unlucky not to scout the expansion with his zealots, but very well done by savior. smart strategy as it forces nal_ra to split his expansions thus making them each very weak on their own. game 4... arg shit way to go out. all starcraft gamers know the pain of losing because they simply mishit a key at exactly the wrong time. at this level it's kind of like slipping over at the end of your routine during a figure skating competition. zvz final now? booo
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
November 03 2006 10:45 GMT
#40
On November 03 2006 17:35 The Storyteller wrote:
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On November 03 2006 17:15 MyTHicaL wrote:
... Savior grow some balls and do something else than mass sunken camp untill u reach 200/200 -_-;: Again an undeserved victory against the only toss that ever made this matchup look balanced. Gj "Meastro" --;


This is pro-gaming... you use whatever strategy will get you the win. Besides, it's more than that. Savior has a lot of brains, and his strategies are well thought out. Game 3, for instance... Sure, he turtled, but the fact is that he turtled in a spot I haven't seen many other zergs turtle before. It was the positioning of his expansions that allowed him to win that game.


i think it was more than just turtling and in that particular spot in blitz. it was perfect timing, perfect execution, basically map-hacking without hacking. savior was never realling turtling, he was just controlling the game.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 03 2006 10:53 GMT
#41
You're all right. And it's impressive that he's so good at it.

The disappointing thing is that he does what every other Zerg does, in a marginally better manner, exploiting the most easily executed builds in the game (however good he is at them) and produces redundant and uninspired ZvPs that no one will ever remember. Very similarly to July, he makes PvZ look impossible.

So I appreciate that he's so good at it, but watching him win that way is like seeing a Terran beat a Zerg on Longinus. It's cute that the play is so solid, but by the third time I've seen it I'm bored to tears and want to see the map die.

Similarly, I want to see a ZvP series only on maps with balanced stats. If ever game was on Peaks, Ra would've brought Savior to 5 games. But you give this kid any kind of edge, and he's unbeatable. So I'm not entertained seeing him take that edge and rape with it. I get it, he's super good. Give me good maps now. Not a couple good maps. A whole card. That's the only way you'll see a monster like that beaten in a series. He can't have a single free game.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
November 03 2006 11:17 GMT
#42
GOD FUCK SILVER MUST WIN!~ anyone know when the finals are taking place?
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TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
November 03 2006 11:50 GMT
#43
game 3 was pimp, savior took ra expo with excellent timing
sos bomber stork savior fan ^ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5160596/1/WXZ/achievements/category/4377898
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
November 03 2006 12:10 GMT
#44
Watching game1, I was SHAKING. Seriously. SHHAAAKKKING.
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Profile Joined July 2004
United States608 Posts
November 03 2006 12:50 GMT
#45
u were shaking?
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-03 13:54:28
November 03 2006 13:52 GMT
#46
On November 03 2006 14:28 BrutalMenace wrote:
is it just me or is Savior now the current Modern day OOv?

It was not just you... We just need another anytime w/ crazier shits to take savior down.
Don't worry my protoss breatherns1 The day will come for savior to eat his own biles and vomits. Just wait. Just you wait!
P.S.
Savior is awefully uninspired. It is as if GF started to win...
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
November 03 2006 13:55 GMT
#47
man i hate saviour first he beats boxer now ra i hope he loses the finals
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5095 Posts
November 03 2006 19:21 GMT
#48
pvz imba
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
November 03 2006 22:34 GMT
#49
zergs are imbalanced, i told you!
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
righthand
Profile Joined June 2006
Haiti163 Posts
November 04 2006 15:00 GMT
#50
not zerg that's imba savior is imba
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
November 04 2006 15:14 GMT
#51
i really hope there is someone capable of defeating him
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
safe[3x]
Profile Joined April 2004
United States50 Posts
November 05 2006 13:56 GMT
#52
come on guys, what is all this talk that saviour is so un-original and lame. If you're upset because your favorite player didnt win, thats different. I dont see any players making super original plays either guys...

I mean look at ra, he did fast expansion all 4 games...hows that for original.

Face it, they all basically do the same strategies, no ones making up new strats anymore...its all just execution.

ZvP imbalance you say? perhaps, but lets not forget that saviour's real shining point is his ZvT. His ZvT is what got him the MSL win before, and its what distinguished him from other zergs.

In my opinion his ZvT play is diferent (and seems to work better) compared to the pack of low-econ zergs we've seen so much lately (aka Yellow, July, Chojja).
Prose
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada314 Posts
November 14 2006 08:30 GMT
#53
After an epic first game that pushed both players to the max, the road still stretched out far in front of them. The dreamer toss had hit with his first salvo, but if that was the kind of game necessary to beat Savior, was it possible to do it three times? Game 2 was going to speak volumes in that regard, on a map that, at 6-3 PvZ, has a much more severe tilt in the balance.

--> Nal_Ra had LUCK on his side even in that first game. Those fat ultralisks got stuck at a narrow ramp, and I believe he would have lost that major battle if they had gone through.

However, none of these thoughts were going through rA’s mind as he opened at 11, placing his first pylon at his natural. He scouted Savior straight off, and seeing the hatchery first build felt confident to fast expand himself. He was mining gas far before his first gateway, and showed some amazing probe micro in preventing a second expo chance by savior over at 3. However, the Maestro got his expo, and dropped both a den and spire in front of the protoss scout, daring him to guess at the tech.

What the heck is this! Protoss is supposed to be the mind-game Race...
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